Write it however you want. I'm just throwing the idea out there.Steven ScharfSCSMedia@aol.com
quote: Quimby Withdraws Offer to Allow Snowmobiles This Year
T5R8 -- According to a news bulletin posted on the Maine Snowmobile Association's web site, Roxanne Quimby has withdrawn a conditional offer to permit snowmobile trails to remain in the T5R8 for the 2004-2005 snowmobile season.
Quimby purchased the entire township from Irving Woodlands in November of 2003.The text of the MSA bulletin is as follows:Roxanne Quimby, founder of the natural products empire Burt's Bees, rejected a letter from the Bowlin Matagamon SC and withdrew a conditional offer to allow snowmobile trails to remain in T5R8 for the 2004-05 season. Quimby purchased the township from Irving Woodlands in November of 2003.In the October 4 letter to club president Ed Kalinowski, Quimby ignored a letter mailed to her by the club on September 27 in response to a proposal from Quimby dated September 7. In that letter, Quimby told the club that she had decided that she wished to have the snowmobile trails removed from her property after the 2004-05 season based on her belief that snowmobile traffic would have a negative impact on the "nature sanctuary" she is attempting to create in T5R8.Quimby's letter to the club included an offer of a donation of $50,000 to the Bowlin Matagamon SC to help defray the cost of the trail relocation provided that "a qualified representative of the snowmobile club sign a contract to remove the trail by the end of the 2004-2005 snowmobile season."The letter also set a deadline of October 1 for the club to respond, or permission for the upcoming season would be withdrawn.It is widely believed that Quimby's request for the signed contract from the club is an attempt to forestall the potential of the trail being located within a 500-foot easement the state owns along the East Branch of the Penobscot River in T5R8.Quimby did not respond to a request to be interviewed for this article.The exchange of letters followed months of on-again, off-again phone conversations, letters and one meeting between Quimby and members of the Bowlin Matagamon SC. On May 25, members of the club talked with Quimby at a forum in Portland and requested a meeting with her to discuss the possibility of continued use of the trails within her ownership.Following that request, MSA Executive Director Bob Meyers was contacted by Rebecca Rundquist, who works for Quimby, and asked to set up a meeting in early June. That meeting was held in Ellsworth on June 10 and was attended by several club representatives, Senator Paul Davis, Quimby, Rundquist and Meyers.At that meeting a number of options for relocating the trail were discussed with Quimby appearing to be amenable to looking at options on the east side of the river, which she believed to be less ecologically sensitive than the existing location. Club member Don Dudley offered to map out two different routes for review by Quimby and to escort her ecologist on a tour of the routes. At that meeting, Quimby also promised to meet again with the club to discuss the route proposals when they were prepared.In mid-July Quimby's ecologist, Bart DeWolfe met with club members and again indicated that Quimby would consider routes on the east side of the river. In late August the club mailed descriptions and GPS routes of the alternative to Quimby's office in Portland. Quimby's letter of September 7 was her only response to the club's proposal and made no mention on the promised meeting with them.During the summer, Quimby also met several times with representatives of the Department of Conservation who had been attempting to arrange a three-way land swap that could have potentially put at least a portion of T5R8 into state ownership. It was during one of those discussions that DOC Deputy Commissioner Karin Tilberg mentioned the possibility of relocating ITS-85 to the easement the state owns along the East Branch. Quimby's response was immediate and negative, telling Meyers during a lengthy phone conversation that if the state attempted to use the easement that she would take legal action to protect her property rights. The Attorney General's office has not issued a formal opinion on the status of the easement.The situation in T5R8 has brought to a head issues that have been building over the past several years regarding changes in ownership and uses in the north woods and the resulting threats to traditional access to land for recreation. Loss of the snowmobile trail and also Quimby's stated desire to eliminate hunting and forestry on the property are forcing state officials, user groups and landowners to re-think the landscape and the resulting economic effects of radical changes in use on large parcels of private land. Several businesses in the Northern Katahdin area are facing severe losses in revenues due to the changes in T5R8 alone.During the summer months, several businesses and camp owners in the area formed a group called the East Branch Economic Protection Coalition and circulated a petition calling on Governor John Baldacci and the legislature to assess the situation and begin making plans to deal with it. During a meeting with them on August 11, Governor Baldacci told the group that he would appoint a task force to study these issues and report to the 122nd Legislature with recommendation to deal with them. On September 22, Baldacci signed an executive order creating the "Task Force on Traditional Uses and Public Access to Lands in Maine." The task force, which will be chaired by DOC Commissioner Patrick McGowan, is scheduled to hold its first meeting on October 20.In the meantime, the club is actively seeking routes around T5R8 with support from the abutting landowners, and the consensus is that a route will be available for the upcoming season."It's almost a relief that she (Quimby) finally said no," said Terry Hill, co-owner of Shin Pond Village and club secretary. "Given our history with her, we were concerned she'd say OK, and then pull the plug mid-season."
Quimby is BAD for Maine and those who enjoy all of our natural resources.
quote: Quimby is BAD for Maine and those who enjoy all of our natural resources.
John, don't you believe in private property rights?
Randy, you are not using reason. John didn't say Quimby had no right to do what she is doing. He said she was bad for Maine.For instance, I believe a hotel owner has the right to establish a casino without going to the gov't to ask permission. *And* I think a casino would be bad for Maine.The two are not mutually exclusive in my case, nor are they in John's.You make no sense.
I believe in private property rights. It is amazing to me that liberals believe in selective private property rights. To liberals, what Quimby is doing with her property is just fine. Yet, if she announced she was going to log the land for all it was worth, the hue and cry from the left would be loud and politically intrusive.Or, take Wal-Mart's attempt to develop property for a Super Wal-Mart in Bangor, defeated by local liberals. Wal-Mart complied with EVERY regulation put forth by various government entitites, the owners of the land were eager to sell, and the development was halted by political pressure from what I term "the looney left."So, Brewer has a Super Wal-Mart, not Bangor. And snowmobilers are going to be tremendously incovenienced, and related business owners who serve the snowmobilers will lose business - all because Quimby want to build a massive national park. And the timber that should eventually be harvested will be allowed to grow and die and will eventually be burned in a huge catastrophic forest fire. It is a waste of resources, and slap in the face to traditional Maine recreators, and a blow to the body of the economy of those who seek to make a living in or near the North Maine woods.Quimby is bad for Maine. Liberals in general are bad for Maine and America...but that could be the subject of another thread.On this one, I line up with Cenci.
So form private game preserves and challenge the State's "RIGHT" to own all the animals, provide access to ponds, etc.---is she shutting off access to ponds for ice fishing? hmmmm. If Quimby can do it; so can you.In PA. loss of game lands spurred sportsman's clubs to set up their own game preserves and manage the herd accordingly. You want good hunting and fishing; join a sportsman's association with a preserve.No reason why the State can't subsidize them.
quote:I believe in private property rights. It is amazing to me that liberals believe in selective private property rights. To liberals, what Quimby is doing with her property is just fine. Yet, if she announced she was going to log the land for all it was worth, the hue and cry from the left would be loud and politically intrusive.
Not from me. Closing snowmobile trails does not effect anyone's rights in a negative way. Neither does logging, if performed in such a way as not to effect the rights of adjacent property owners.I believe you are consistent Mark, but most that argue against people like Quimby are completely inconsistant when it comes to this issue. They insist that property should stay in private hands, then rail when private owners restrict access.The whole concept of implied consent to trespass makes no sense to me. But then again. I'm from the west, where such activity would likely get you shot.And I'll also admit I'm biased after years of putting up with snowmobilers turning my front yard into a highway, because they are too lazy to trailer the things to the snowmobile trail.
Randy: Appeals for consistency get my support!
This should be somewhat of (yet another) wake-up call to outdoor recreationists and organizations: If, in the name of preserving hunting/fishing/snowmobiling, etc. rights you elect and/or coddle socialists with no respect for private property - you will, in the end, get backstabbed. And rightfully so, IMHO.Quimby- and others cut from Quimby cloth - care everything for trees and dirt...and nothing for people.skf
Mr. Editor, as a government certified geologist, I must take exception to your characterization of soil as dirt!Dirt is what gets emptied from your vacuum cleaner. Dirt is what is scraped from beneath your fingernails. Dirt is what I'd like John Edwards to eat.Soil is not dirt, Sir![ 10-08-2004: Message edited by: Mark T. Cenci ]
To Senor Cenci, certified humorologist: What, sir, is the difference between soil and dirt? And what happens to dirt if it becomes soiled? Or to soil if it becomes dirty? I'll clean my nails while I await your response. Muchas gracias.
Yes, well, the explanation is so nuanced, you see, that only government approved experts can understand it. And you must believe us because *we are the experts*.But let me try.When you die, you take the dirt nap. Ajax is stronger than dirt, but don't put it in your eyes in the morning to alleviate a problem with sleep dirt. When Democrats get elected, we can look forward to Drudge digging up the dirt on their pecadillos, because they have been doing dirty tricks since dirt was new.In no instance is soil involved in the aforementioned explanation, but farmers till it and that's a good thing.[ 10-08-2004: Message edited by: Mark T. Cenci ]
Mr. Cenci,That insane explanation has soiled your good name with me! :D
Don't ask Quimby for anything anytime. Lets pretend that her land is one big toxic waste land. Everytime her name gets mentioned it's publicity for her and her agenda treat her and her land like the black death. Even if a park ever got built lets teel her to shove it and build our own. Not that I want one.
Maybe it is time for a refernedum drive on prohibiting the state govt from acquiring any land for a park.Steven ScharfSCSMedia@aol.com
Would that include a donation of land, as per Baxter?(I would hope so)