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Jim Cyr
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Pat, you really do need to

Pat, you really do need to stop with the personal attacks. One certainly doesn't care about accountability, for example, if they won't even attach their name to things they say!

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Roger wrote: There is still a

Roger wrote: There is still a place for sanctity in Maine.

Yes, there is - unfortunately, it's on the losing side of the ballot. If the GOP wants to win more seats, it's time to stop hammering on the social issues and concentrate on the fiscal issues.

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Quote: Pat, you really do

[quote] Pat, you really do need to stop with the personal attacks. One certainly doesn't care about accountability, for example, if they won't even attach their name to things they say![/quote]
I spoke to someone who attended a county meeting held in Camden earlier this week. A member of the platform committee reported that there were only 8 or 9 pro-life people attending the meeting during which the debate about the social issues took place. There was agreement in a previous meeting to create a cover sheet or a card that described in a few bullet points the details of the platform. This card could have been used by candidates to share with voters. Conservatives wanted the social issues to be included on the card that referenced agreed upon language already in the platform. They lost to the progressives and the result was reissuing the 2008 platform with one modification: 2008 was changed to 2010. With more votes, conservatives could have prevailed. This is not a personal attack, Jim. People deserve to know that you didn’t show up to do your job.

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Naran - I have a serious

Naran - I have a serious question about your post. Where/how has the GOP been "hammering on the social issues"?

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I agree with Bob on that

I agree with Bob on that one.

But I also think the 2008 platform is a conservative platform on social issues. I see no reason to make those issue more prominent.

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The above is not accurate.

The above is not accurate. The committee kept the same platform because the social conservatives would not sign onto a platform (or any statement) that only listed fiscal issues. The people who supported a new platform were not progressives but fiscal conservatives.

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Not plural, Larry. Singular.

Not plural, Larry. Singular. The social conservatives had worked with the fiscal conservatives on a statement which was
satisfactory to all but one. When it was clear we couldn't satisfy that one, we simply adopted the 2008 platform, as we had planned, but without the brief bulleted overview or summary. It was a first rate committee and Judy Foss who chaired the Platform Committee did a great job.

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DARN GOOD QUESTION.

DARN GOOD QUESTION. ECONOMICS DICTATE WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO OR NOT DO!

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And our role is to merely

And our role is to merely take dictation?

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Where/how has the GOP been

Where/how has the GOP been "hammering on the social issues"?

This is a very good question. Could anyone here provide specific instances of such hammering?

Jim Cyr
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" Quote: "I spoke to someone

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"I spoke to someone who attended a county meeting held in Camden earlier this week. A member of the platform committee reported that there were only 8 or 9 pro-life people attending the meeting during which the debate about the social issues took place. There was agreement in a previous meeting to create a cover sheet or a card that described in a few bullet points the details of the platform. This card could have been used by candidates to share with voters. Conservatives wanted the social issues to be included on the card that referenced agreed upon language already in the platform. They lost to the progressives and the result was reissuing the 2008 platform with one modification: 2008 was changed to 2010. With more votes, conservatives could have prevailed. This is not a personal attack, Jim. People deserve to know that you didn’t show up to do your job."

Well, Pat........as I said, where is any accountability when one deals in "he said, she said" kinds of statements and passes on "info" (which as it turns out you may not even be correct about)......without ever even being willing to attach your name to what you're saying?? Strange. I suppose people could stand to judge YOU on how you do YOUR job.............but they would need to know who you are first.
I didn't make a meeting. There--you got me. Good people of AMG, it is true! This poster missed a meeting (that I didn't know was taking place). Now granted, this meeting may have taken place BEFORE I was elected to the platform committee at the end of last year....I don't know which meeting you are talking about, Pat. I know that I certainly wasn't on the committee yet for the "previous meeting" you reference, in which an agreement was reached (again--that's according to your "sources").

So.........I guess our candidates won't be carrying around index cards?? Your post is very confusing. I am sad they won't have index cards. We will prevail somehow without them, I suppose.

Pat, any other complaints? I prefer it all to be out in the open, so go for it............hit me with it.

(By the way, are "progressives" the same thing as "liberals"?? Just wondering).

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Where has the Maine GOP been

Where has the Maine GOP been hammering on the social issues?

I'll give you an answer, but I need all of you to focus carefully; this is going to be demanding.

Looking intently? Got your mental faculties all sharpened, and your glasses polished?

Good. Now, click here:

[url=http://www.asmainegoes.com/]Voila! Questions Answered.[/url]

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Is AMG an official organ of

Is AMG an official organ of the Maine GOP?

Hardly.

Naran
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lol How utterly predictable.

lol

How utterly predictable.

The Distributist
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How utterly condescending.

How utterly condescending. francisz's question is reasonable.

Jonathan Read
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Still would prefer to throw

Still would prefer to throw social issues in the platform, alienate the middle, stay in minority and never get anything done I see... Par for the course Maine GOP.

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So, no specific examples of

So, no specific examples of hammering? Just your general sense from an online discussion board?

Naran
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Jonathan - precisely. Let's

Jonathan - precisely. Let's get some good R candidates elected, and then worry about the direction of the party's agenda and aims once we have the house and senate majority. Somebody in the Blaine House with an R after their name would also be nice, just for a change.

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In my involvement in Maine

In my involvement in Maine politics from 2003-2006 I would say its a very high priority for those on the right in Maine, be it in county or town republican meetings, be it in the platform (look its there in 2010 again) be it in supporting candidates. I was staff on Charlie Summers campaign in 2004 and let me tell you, it was ridiculous how many people i'd hear social crap from. They'd rather vote for a congressmen based on abortion (WHICH A CONGRESSMAN CAN'T CHANGE) than the fact that they make no money and their kids can't get a good job when they graduate from college. It's astounding. The really ironic part too is if you'd just drop the emphasis on social issues, republicans would easily take over Maine (when I was there the Senate was darn close) and then simply by having republicans in power you'd be far more likely to make gains on the social issues. You shoot yourselves in the foot time and time again.

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Bingo! Hand that man a Kewpie

Bingo!

Hand that man a Kewpie Doll, please.

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republicans would easily take

republicans would easily take over Maine (when I was there the Senate was darn close) and then simply by having republicans in power you'd be far more likely to make gains on the social issues

Gee, that's quite a plan. Let's take over Maine! And then impose our social crap on everyone simply by having republicans in power!

Now that wouldn't be an example of "hammering", would it?

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it was ridiculous how many

it was ridiculous how many people i'd hear social crap from.

See "Why Are Liberals So Condescending" thread... If youse guys would just drop your allegiance to abortion republicans would easily take over Maine etc etc etc...

Kewpie doll is as kewpie doll does.

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Francisz - No - that would be

Francisz -

No - that would be an example of "political success." Something Maine Republicans haven't seen very much in recent years.

Again - if the aim is to implement better governance for Maine, the first step is getting our candidates elected.

We can polish the furniture after we get the house secured from foreclosure.

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Allegience to abortion

Allegience to abortion republicans? WTH are you talking about I'm a libertarian I believe it's the violation of a humans rights... Just because I recognize political realities and want to get things done means nothing. A congressman has no impact on the legality of abortion, PERIOD. Nor does a governor, a state rep, etc...

But I guess i'm a liberal and condescending? Ridiculous.

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Political success as an ends

Political success as an ends is nothing more than a power grab. It seems to me that it is incumbent on a political party to agree on the terms and conditions that constitute “better governance” before taking office than afterward. I can’t imagine an electorate that would agree to such nebulous terms and conditions – perhaps that is why the Maine GOP hasn’t garnered much political success in recent years?

Naran
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Please see: "Recipe for

Please see: "Recipe for Repeated Failure; Continue As Before."

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"I'll give you an answer, but

"I'll give you an answer, but I need all of you to focus carefully; this is going to be demanding.
Looking intently? Got your mental faculties all sharpened, and your glasses polished?
Good. Now, click here:
Voila! Questions Answered."

That was very, very weak, Naran.

Some of you people keep ranting about "social issues" (life) as if all republican candidates run campaigns focused soley on them.
Charlie Summers? Isn't he the one who won the REPUBLICAN primary? Where is he now?

Kevin Raye? Didn't he win a REPUBLICAN primary - in the 2nd (conservative) district? Where is he now?

I intend no disrespect toward either of these men. I simply disagree with them on certain "social issues".

Jonathan - Please tell me again how avoiding social issues brings about a Republican victory.

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re:failure If it is as

re:failure

If it is as obvious as Naran suggests, then why even bother with a party platform? Why doesn't the Maine GOP simply state: "Our goal is to win elections. We'll work out the details later. Vote for Us!"

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It really frosts my trails

It really frosts my trails when people run for office wit high promises to represent their constituencies, get elected and then not only don't represent their people but don't even show up to cast a vote. It really is frustrating. Things only get done when elected officials show up. It is such a slam against those who elected them to not even be bothered to get up off their rump roast and show up for the meeting. How does it feel from your point of view Jim Cyr? Did you show up at the county meeting and make a non-report from your no show at the platform meeting? In all fairness, maybe you were sick or there were multiple deaths that kept you from the multiple meetings.

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Francisz, Well George

Francisz, Well George Washington would like that, i'd love it, imagine no parties, no platforms politicians just doign what they think was... best for us... how innovative...

Instead we are stuck voting R because we hate that D and have no other choices, it sickens me.

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