2016 hottest year on record, 16 of 17 hottest years this century

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2016 hottest year on record, 16 of 17 hottest years this century

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/14/2016-will-be-the-hot...

anonymous_coward was quoted as saying, "As a pool owner in Maine, my plans for using global warming to extend my pool season are finally coming to fruition. It was incredibly easy to convince legions of stupid conservatives that it was all a hoax by just saying on Fox news that liberals made it up. Just deploy a bunch of conservative robots to say, 'global warming, blah blah blah, liberal conspiracy, blah blah blah, taxation, Hillary, blah blah blah,' and they'll do whatever you tell them to do!"

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This century is only 16 years

This century is only 16 years old. No surprise we've had the second hottest !!!!

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People who don't believe in

People who don't believe in global warming are the same ones who believe the earth is 10,000 (or 6,000 - take your pick) years old. How on earth does denying a measurable, quantifiable phenomena become a litmus test for being "conservative"?

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Greetings from sunny and 74,

Greetings from sunny and 74, Shelbyville, IN.

Please let me know just as soon as you get a picture of the Trump kids sandbagging Mar a Lago.

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@DA they're also the ones

@DA they're also the ones that believe that vaccines cause autism, that smoking doesn't cause cancer, and that leeches are the best remedy for the flu

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Great to get a report from D

Great to get a report from D A and A Coward about how they love globalism and the presstitute media, you go girls.

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Rush (not part of the

Rush (not part of the “presstitute” media) Limbaugh said again today that global warming is a hoax, nothing but a political fabrication designed to grow government and restrict personal freedom. That’s good enough for me. I bet Rush gets an Honorary Degree from Trump University for his work on this scam in the near future.

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@Mike G: it's physics, not

@Mike G: it's physics, not the media, you tard - or did you fail out of that class? I am finding myself agreeing with the conservatives: no amount of extra funding for special education can help the R-Tards

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A Coward

A Coward

It's physics is it, wow, you are learned, but it is also fueled by carbon taxes and globalization, and that government's powers and taxation and control.

Climates have always changed, remember there were numerous ice ages and mini-ice ages and large warmings and mini-warmings. The real question is whether our wondrous governments around the globe are just looking for another cause to tax the peons so they can live in the wealth and power they are accustomed to?

Where is the hockey puck?

And here is the real concern, if it is entirely man caused, over the past hundred years of infernal combustion engines than it would be best to invest in air conditioning units then sending carbon taxes to the fn UN. Wow so much influence in so little time, did the ring of fire explode?

What A Coward and D A might be unaware of is that the geological community for decades has been predicting another upcoming ice age, now this is all speculative looking past centuries, eons of Earth's history, predicting a ice age is probably done by 1000 of years not 100.

The whole idea that mankind's impact on climate change can dwarf the influence of the sun's power and numerous other climatic factors is rather dubious. Any one who isn't getting a government grant from the globalists will admit that they have no clue considering all the factors.

We don't deny global warming we deny the charlatans that try and profit from it.

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Call me silly but I'm still

Call me silly but I'm still waiting for the ice age that was predicted in the seventies.If I call correctly fluorocarbons created a hole in the ozone that ...oh well you know.

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And we're out of oil too.

And we're out of oil too.

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We are "overdue" for the next

We are "overdue" for the next ice age , which would be much more disastrous than warming

Imagine every person living between Long Island New York and the North Pole all the way to the dakotas uprooted, homeless economically devasted.

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Melvin , funny I almost

Melvin , funny I almost posted the peak oil prediction..........

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Leeches in Washington DC and

Leeches in Washington DC and here in Augusta are the best source of massive amounts of hot air that causes everyone to suffer. I wouldn't use them to treat flu like symptoms.

What does seem odd to me about this global emergency is that only the modernized countries are to be brought to task for this. Other nations are being given the green light to pollute at will. It sounds like global third world nation building as the ultimate goal.

the same ones who believe the earth is 10,000 (or 6,000 - take your pick) years old.

I regard the Hebrew scriptures, commonly called our Old Testament, as a source of great wisdom and knowledge. No Where in these writings is the suggestion that the earth is a mere 6 to 10 thousand years old. There is the suggestion that since the time of Adam and Eve, this approximate amount or time has passed.

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Well peak oil was kind of

Well peak oil was kind of correct, given the immense economic payback of the oil dome type deposits and the very costly economics of shale deposits. But it is still profitable. Mostly

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From NPR, no less: http://www
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the largest gas supply known

the largest gas supply known to man is in the hallowed halls of legislature

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Well no one was wrong about

Well no one was wrong about the amount of oil, they were just wrong about how the cost to extract it would change because of fracking. I mean shit, fracking turned Obama into the oil drilling president. It's only not profitable now because the Saudis make it so. (but that's a topic that's been beaten to death in another thread)

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Always look to history for

Always look to history for answers.
Global warming may or may not be real, but the politicization of the science behind it, and the group think phenomenon that continues to support the outrageous and unprovable claims made by the hucksters that profit from it are not unheard of in the science/political world.
The parallels between global warming and this early 1900's example of group think are uncanny:
http://tinyurl.com/gnqv8ro

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It's only not profitable now

It's only not profitable now because the Saudis make it so. (but that's a topic that's been beaten to death in another thread)

Here's another physic's fact from AMGs new expert. The reason that the price of oil is down is that all those pumping it, can't sell it for what they hoped for. Otherwise know as supply and demand.

The world economy is in a huge downturn because peak debt has caused us all to consider well how can I take on any more?

The Saudis just had to float new bonds something that for such an oil rich country is somewhat unheard of, why do the Sauds need to borrow money? Because they can't sell their oil for what it costs for them to pump it out of the ground and still bomb the shit out of Yemen.

Notice when the oil price goes up, the next week it goes down? Now what could cause that? Could it be that the minute the price goes up, more wells start pumping and then the supply goes up and then supply increases over demand?

The worlds economy is in a big slowdown and so many countries are at peak debt that they can't borrow any more. The oil producers are even tapped. There is the solution to man made global warming, world wide economic slowdown and without a carbon tax.

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@Mike G: I don't mind

@Mike G: I don't mind conservatives arguing about taxation and policy - that is certainly their right, and I think this country functions better with all ideas on the table (even though it may be short sighted - say hello to more taxation when the federal government has to shell out more and more often for FEMA disasters to rebuild after floods and build dykes around low elevation liberal cities).

What I do mind is Limbaugh types who think that their listeners are so stupid/uneducated that the best way to promote their agenda is to flat out lie to them and say it's not real. If the conservative argument is a strong one, then why lie?

(I suspect the answer is that promoting the idea of a liberal conspiracy gets better ratings, in the same way that liberal media outlets calling Trump a racist generates ratings.... I guess that's the peril of cable news)

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I think you will find

I think you will find satellite atmospheric temp data more accurate and reliable than surface temp data, and it shows no warming.

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As for people who oppose

As for people who oppose vaccination, I think you'll find they are far more on the liberal Left than the conservative Right.

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A-C said"say hello to more

A-C said"say hello to more taxation when the federal government has to shell out more and more often for FEMA disasters to rebuild after floods and build dykes around low elevation liberal cities)."
If the catastrophic rise of the oceans is an undisputable fact ,why does the gov continue to allow cities like NO to rebuild and other coastal cities and low lying coastal areas to expand.... why not force migration inland?? Why isn't there an immediate ban on construction in these areas.......?

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"People who don't believe in

"People who don't believe in global warming are the same ones who believe the earth is 10,000 (or 6,000 - take your pick) years old. How on earth does denying a measurable, quantifiable phenomena become a litmus test for being "conservative"?"

Perhaps because we have reason to distrust the motives of the people who are supplying the figures for the "phenomena"; Al Gore, for example. Oddly enough, a whole lot of the people who say that "global warming" is "settled science" are the same people who push for an expansion of government to solve the "problem", and who have personally benefited from the "global warming/man-based global warming/man caused climate change/ whatever the cute phrase for "it" is this month" scare--the aforementioned Gore, for example.
It would help if the people who are the loudest supporters of "global warming" actually started living like they believe there is such a crisis and stopped flying around the world on private jets to "global warming" conferences or stopped living in energy-wasteful mansions (or working in air conditioned offices), but that's something for the little people to do, no the Important People, eh?

It's the height of arrogance for humans to believe that they actually know what's happening with the global climate--there's far too many variables and we have too little information and understanding; our scientific understanding is still too limited to make such grandiose claims--add to that the corrupting influence of government money, and politicians who want to make the outcome align with their own motives, and you have a recipe for disaster.

Consider this--in the 1970's when many of the same people pushing "global warming" were pushing "global cooling", there were people who seriously suggested coating the Arctic ice cap with carbon soot to absorb more solar radiation--what would have happened if we had done that, and it turned out that there was actually "global warming"? Sometimes the course of wisdom is to admit that we don't know what's happening, and to refrain from hasty action until we do.

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The laws of thermodynamics

The laws of thermodynamics have not been repealed. The heat from the molten center of the earth is escaping through the crust at varying rates depending on the movement of the tectonic plates (earthquakes) that form its crust and the activity of volcanos. What we do not understand is that these changes are not on a timetable as they might be if the earth were made up of material that expands and contracts uniformly. That man has any impact on the magnitude of these forces borders on the insane. Like the snake oil salesman the environmentalists or global warming advocates, they are prepared to ease your anxiety if only you will throw money at them.

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@Mark Cenci: I actually did

@Mark Cenci: I actually did my masters' thesis on an analysis of infrared radiation satellite data - specifically I explained the cause of a decadal trend to be an error in the methodology they used to correct for instrumental degradation.

I personally don't give satellite data as much credit as a lot of people simply because it's a really difficult engineering problem to keep a satellite functional over a long period of time (exposure to solar radiation in particular is a problem).

To be fair, it's been a long time since I've been an atmospheric scientist, so it's possible that remote sensing equipment has improved, but based on my own experience as a climate scientist, I would put more credence into in-situ (surface-based) data.

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@VS: oddly enough they appear

@VS: oddly enough they appear on both extremes, liberal and conservative

Edit: Yes, that was an uncalled for ad hominem attack. But this is AMG, right? Isn't that what we're supposed to do here?

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@johnw: they do it because

@johnw: they do it because people don't like to move, and they *definitely* don't like the idea of the government telling you to move (which is why Mackenzie's oft referenced Kelo vs. New London decision is so gut wrenching).

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@pmconusa: if there were an

@pmconusa: if there were an increased amount of energy coming from geothermal sources it would simply be radiated away via black body radiation (in the infrared spectrum) to restore the balance of energy transfer in and out of the lower atmosphere.

I know you would like to think that we could have no impact on the surface temperature of the Earth, but I ask you to sit down and do the math. You have a PhD and a background in petroleum, so I can can safely assume that you know basic radiative transfer physics - it's a really straightforward calculation. Take a few moments, strip out all the politics, and just look at it like a physics problem.

Sunlight comes in, warms the surface, and infrared radiation goes out. At night, empty space doesn't radiate an infrared radiation back at you. If you put a blanket over your head, the blanket radiates heat back down at you. CO2 (and CH4, and H2O vapor) absorb and reemit in the infrared spectrum, so they are effectively a blanket over your head.

Seriously folks, it's not rocket science, it's common sense. You put a blanket over your head, you get warmer.

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