After same sex marriage, is polygamy next?

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After same sex marriage, is polygamy next?

Interesting read. Powerline links to a good bit of the legal basis for todays prohibitions on Polygamy.

[quote]Once same-sex marriage is OK, polygamy's next
Katherine Kersten, Star Tribune

The Minnesota Legislature is considering proposing a constitutional amendment that would define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Many opponents claim that definition is antiquated and discriminatory. A committed relationship should be the only criterion for marriage, they say.

But wait. What if a person loves two people, or three or more? If "one man-one woman" is a discriminatory limitation on the choice of a life partner, on what grounds can the state logically restrict marriage to two people? The fact is, once you adopt same-sex marriage -- legally changing the standard for marriage from one-man, one-woman to a "committed relationship" -- there is no principled way to prevent its extension to polygamy or other forms of "plural marriage" or partnership. [/quote]

http://www.startribune.com/191/story/310327.html

This is Powerlines take on the issue:

[quote]I'm going to keep my notes this morning briefer than usual in order to leave John's "Justice Ginsburg throws down the gauntlet" close to the top. John refers to the Supreme Court's 2003 decision in Lawrence v. Texas, in which the Supreme Court found laws against homosexual sodomy unconstitutional. Why? Justice Kennedy thought it had something to do with "liberty of the person both in its spatial and more transcendent dimensions." Does the jurisprudence of Justice Kennedy or Justice Ginsburg provide a basis on which to reject a constitutional right to polygamy?

The Republican Party was founded in oppositon to the "twin relics of barbarism -- Polygamy, and Slavery." Like homosexual sodomy, polygamy is of course another subject on which Justice Ginsburg could find much illumination in foreign law. When the issue first came before the Supreme court in Reynolds v. United States in 1878, it presented itself as a question of religious liberty -- undoubtedly, in Justice Kennedy's terms, "liberty of the person both in its spatial and more transcendent dimensions." Yet the Court found that the religious liberty protected by the First Amendment did not protect polygamy grounded in religious doctrine. Under the First Amendment, "Congress was deprived of all legislative power over mere opinion, but was left free to reach actions which were in violation of social duties or subversive of good order."

The issue may well confront the Court again. Indeed, Lawrence virtually invites it. The Court itself, however, has done much to erode the social consensus fostering laws prohibiting practices commonly recognized as inconsistent with republican government. In her Star Tribune column today, Katherine Kersten looks at the question of polygamy in the context of the debate over same-sex marriage: "Once same-sex marriage is OK, polygamy's next."[/quote]

http://powerlineblog.com/

Interesting slippery slope

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I saw an interesting documentary on polygamy on A&E the other night. According to the film, polygamy is already widespread in the US, and has been for decades. Just not legally, of course.

The devastating effect it can have on women and young children in some of the practicing groups is astonishing. It appears to be a recipe for male abuse and dominance, in some cases. Other groups seem more healthy, with happier members.

There's an organization called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" trying to help anyone wishing to leave polygamous marriages or groups. Interesting website and lots of articles online.

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I saw the same show.... was very odd to hear some of those folks talk like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I agree - it is a total pro male set up where the rooster gets to play and the women do all the work and sit around waiting to be "called upon".

Proof of how some on the extreme end use the Bible and God to twist to thier way of doing things.

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So, when same sex couple can marry, shortly after, you will be able to marry more than one... So, in theory, Couples would be able to marry couples.. Talk about wife-swapping! HAHAHAHAHA! hmmm... I am all set with my hubby... But I can see some interesting applications with two hubbys! hehehe... Alrighty, gals! Let's get this gay marriage thing passed so we can have 2 hubbies! (BTW, that was joking, then pure sarcasm... : )

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Yeah, I mean seriously, who wants to pick up after TWO people????
No thank kew!!
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If you have two hubbies...do you need two remotes?

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No, two tv's. And FOUR remotes! (one in their hand, one they can never find, since it's hiding under the couch cushions with the old Doritos).
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No, no, no ladies…

Only WE, the men, get multiple partners. :wink:

Get with the program. :lol:

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Frosty: I know where you SLEEP, Mr. Man! :lol:

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Hard to say if polygamy will be NEXT, but it for sure is on the slippery slope downward.

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[quote="Naran"]I saw an interesting documentary on polygamy on A&E the other night. According to the film, polygamy is already widespread in the US, and has been for decades. Just not legally, of course.

The devastating effect it can have on women and young children in some of the practicing groups is astonishing. It appears to be a recipe for male abuse and dominance, in some cases. Other groups seem more healthy, with happier members.

There's an organization called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" trying to help anyone wishing to leave polygamous marriages or groups. Interesting website and lots of articles online.[/quote]

Here is how it works in the UK. Moslems do not recognize civil divorce. So, the Islamic guy marries spouse 1, then divorces her in court, then marries 2, etc until he has one wife under British law while maintaining and living with 4 under Islamic law.

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Twice as much nagging...YUCK

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Two "honey-do" lists....

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You know, I always thought the next step would be incestuous marriages, provided that steps be taken to ensure than no direct bloodline children result.

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I met [url=http://www.lpga.com/player_results.aspx?id=456]Marlene Hagge[/url] at a party celebrating her admission into the World Golf Hall of Fame. She told a funny story about how, in the swingin' '60s, her sister [url=http://www.lpga.com/player_results.aspx?id=403]Alice Bauer[/url], also a championship golfer, both divorced their husbands, and then married each others ex.

Marlene was a real piece of work
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I cherish the memory of the conversation I had with her.

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RLIMBAH - unfortunately, part of the documentary dealt in detail with the abusive incestuous marriages that are already taking place in some polygamous groups. Hence the need for an organization to help these young girls escape.

ps welcome to AMG, but you forgot the "UG" in your name!
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I love the Sopranos. Have you seen the new HBO show which permiered the same night ???
BIG LOVE??? I won't go into details, check it out yourselves :)

http://www.hbo.com/biglove/

HBO helped mainstream queers, now they are gonna do it for polygamy.

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No brainer here!
If one passes law that says you can't discriminate based on orientation,
one only has to wait before a license is denied!
Law suit filed as law is discriminatory against gays!
It is the inevitable outcome of last referendum!!

Whether it is the end of world or not , another thread!

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Cue the theme of the "Beverly Hillbillies"....for Joe....

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Cue the theme for Brokeback Mountain .... for Charlotte

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I have to believe,"You aint seen nothing yet!"

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I have a (former) friend who became a polygamist--although not Mormon, he moved to Utah.
It was a disaster for his wife ('original wife') and children--the kids especailly became really screwed up, so I hear. Very sad...

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Do you recall if any of their childrens names were "Charlotte"? I know a really screwed up person by that name.

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[quote="Naran"]I saw an interesting documentary on polygamy on A&E the other night. According to the film, polygamy is already widespread in the US, and has been for decades. Just not legally, of course.

The devastating effect it can have on women and young children in some of the practicing groups is astonishing. It appears to be a recipe for male abuse and dominance, in some cases. Other groups seem more healthy, with happier members.

There's an organization called "Tapestry Against Polygamy" trying to help anyone wishing to leave polygamous marriages or groups. Interesting website and lots of articles online.[/quote]

I watched that same documentary. After watching it, I thought how can they make polygamy illegal? They can't actually charge someone with the crime of polygamy can they?

I mean, think about it ... a man has several women who he is in a coital relationship with. One of them he is technically legally married to, the others aren't recognized by the government. Maybe he has a couple kids with each of them.

The government is angry because this type of situation hurts the women, hurts the children, and because a majority of polygamists abuse welfare.

I found myself wondering ... how is this different from many situations of people who aren't religious and don't consider themselves polygamists? I mean, my older sister's boyfriend (sigh) has four kids with 4 different women. One of them he was once married to, the others were 'accidents' in non-commited relationships. I know at least one of them isn't on welfare, but I'm not sure of the others. The only difference between my sister's boyfriend and a polygamist is that he doesn't consider himself to be married to any of these women.

How can they prosecute anyone for polygamy when half the nation conducts themselves in the same manner as polygamists, but just don't consider themselves married?

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[quote="Joe Redneck"]Do you recall if any of their childrens names were "Charlotte"? I know a really screwed up person by that name.[/quote]

Whoa Joe, hold on there. Don' wanna give rednecks a bad rep, now, do ya?

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Joe, being personally abusive isn't necessary, okay?

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"All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke.

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Ahhh Joe...what a sweet red neck...I love the theme to Brokeback...but the beverly hillbillies...now that is a show:

Now listen to a story 'bout a man named joe

Everyone though his statements were real slow

and then one day he tried to making a real thought

The poor mountain man nearly blew his brain to snot...

brain that is, pure...mush........

(please sing to the beverly hillbillies theme)....

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An intersting article about the fight for legal polygamy by the mormons. If legal challenges were tried today, I don't think the prohibition would stand up like it did in the 19th Cent.

http://uncpress.unc.edu/chapters/gordon_mormon.html

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Charlotte, you crack me up. Leave it to you to respond to a hateful remark with humor. Very classy. I'm surprised to hear polygamy referred to as "evil". I assume that it can be just as good or just as bad as any other marriage, and that children of polygamy can be just as good or just as screwed up as kids from "real" marriages. It's the people in the relationship that make it good or bad, not the name of the relationship.

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Dem, you make a valid point... I can't imagine a woman sharing, though. We are generally a jealous lot. There are always the exceptions, but we can be pretty viscious. Men can be mean, but I think women can be worse at times. : ) Talk about "against human nature!" heheheheheheh...

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