Allegations regarding ATF / Project Gunrunner & US / Mexican Smuggling

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Adrienne
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There's more today: Some

There's more today:

Some interesting letters from Congress to AG:
Article Here
It raises the question of witness coaching along with other things...

And (paraphrased),

an offshoot of Project Gunrunner, redubbed Operation Fast and Furious, may - in the future - be referred to as Obama's Watergate.

Article Here

Mike Travers
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Just saw on the news that our

Just saw on the news that our Monarch will be implementing gun reporting via executive orders.

Adrienne
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The President's MO is to

The President's MO is to throw his subjects a morsel...

while Hezbollah Sets Up Shop in Mexico

Excerpt:
There have been warnings for years that Hezbollah had partnered with the drug cartels. Michael Braun, a former Drug Enforcement Agency chief of operations, said in 2009 that the group utilizes “the same criminal weapons smugglers, document traffickers and transportation experts as the drug cartels.” During his July 7 testimony to Congress, Roger Noriega , former assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, predicted that Iran and Hezbollah will carry out an attack on the U.S. using their networks in Latin America.

Rep. Sue Myrick said that a senior Mexican military officer informed her that Hezbollah was giving explosives training to members of the drug cartels. “This might lead to Israel-like car bombings of Mexican/USA border personnel or National Guard units in the border regions,” her letter to the Department of Homeland Security cautioned.

And the US administration was admittedly clueless with regard to Op. Fast and Furious? They want to keep track of the guns now, after the tide went out and they didn't have their shorts on? Either they are seriously misrepresenting their knowledge, or seriously misrepresenting their legitimate qualifications to hold office.

A post in response to the article above puts it this way:
"Hezbollah in Mexico, project gunrunner gets weapons to the drug lords and the Fed Gov't sues Arizona over illegal immigration. Somehow, I think our enemies have somthing we don't; a plan."

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Townhall dot Com has obtained

Townhall dot Com has obtained an e-mail from Mark R. Chait, Assistant Director Field Operations to William D. Newell, Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division which supports the suspicion that the operation was at least partially rooted in a desire to rig the Mexican gun recovery numbers to bolster the Obama gun control agenda (ref: new regulations announcement in Post#26):
[quote] Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL (sic) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations [/quote]
[url=http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_... Link to Source [/url]

A new angle on the story raised by David Hardy is the possibility of prosecution for violations of weapons export law:

[quote] …22 USC §2778.. authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export… he must consider the possibility that export could "support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict... No gun running to foreign governments or persons without a paper trail (and in cases of large transactions, a prior request for Congressional approval)… [/quote]
[url=http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2011/07/did_fast_furiou.php] Link to “Did Fast & Furious violate the Arms Export Control Act?” on David Hardy’s Of Arms and the Law Site [/url]

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Congress is working on a

Congress is working on a provision to de-fund the multiple transaction exec. order. Given the reports of compliance by FFL dealers, all ATF needs to do is to encourage gun dealers to call in with suspicious transactions and then send an agent-- oh -- and also tell the dealers it is ok to NOT complete the sale.

Adrienne
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Today on American

Today on American Thinker:

"These are criminal breaches of trust with the people by the Obama Justice Department and perhaps Obama himself. That the Obama administration not only allowed but appears to have facilitated illegal firearms exports resulting in multiple deaths on both sides of the border, in furtherance of a domestic agenda of stricter gun control laws, is criminally prosecutable and politically lethal."

Very much on my agenda, says Obama, but 'under the radar'...

Also stated:
"Contact your congressman and encourage him to support the House investigation, which Eric Holder is doing his very best to obstruct. The Chait email now makes Holder's obstruction understandable. Holder should be cited for contempt at the very least and according to the New York Times, "He's Impeachable, You Know.""

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Adreinne Thanks for the link

Adreinne

Thanks for the link to that fine article, I found the poster comments enlightening, us up here in Maine have little contact or concept of what is going on down on our southern border.

The insidiousness of what occurs in DC and globally is constant. It has been said and I believe it to be true that those that sit in DC and in other governments abroad have broken their social contract with the people. They no longer work for the benefit of the people, but work against us, to enslave us for their benefit and the continuence of their power and wealth.

That broken contracts means that we are no longer subject to their laws, but only their force.

Mike G
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http://www.washingtontimes.co

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/26/issa-atf-warns-witnesses...

"House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said at least two scheduled witnesses expected to be asked about a controversial weapons investigation known as “Fast and Furious”received warning letters from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to limit their testimony." snip end

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that when a foreign government furnishes insurgents with firearms -- in a country with the strictest of gun control laws, no less -- it is an act of war, is it not?

Adrienne
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"Many of the Fast and Furious

"Many of the Fast and Furious guns ended up in the hands of the Sinaloa drug cartel, which is now better armed than most military forces, thanks to the Obama Administration."

"Some of these weapons had a “time-to-crime of just one day,” meaning they turned up at crime scenes in Mexico within 24 hours of being purchased in Arizona. The cartels began using their “Gun Walker” weapons to shoot down Mexican Federal Police helicopters."


Full Article Here

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Now we learn that a White

Now we learn that a White House official, the National Security Director for North America, knew about the operation a year ago.
Of course, they're spinning it.

ATF Manager says he shared Fast and Furious Info with White House

Adrienne
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"The Obama administration’s

"The Obama administration’s cover-up continues to this day, as Eric Holder’s Department of Justice stonewalls Congress, seemingly in order to prevent the investigation from reaching into the highest levels of the administration. If the media’s need to protect the fast-sinking Obama administration were not so acute, this would be quite a scandal. It will be interesting to see how many newspapers outside the Southwest border region print the AP’s latest story."


Article Here

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I agree that this issue is

I agree that this issue is absolutely "Front Page" stuff, both here at AMG and in the MSM.

This is something I have been following for a LONG time and I can't express in a few words what a BIG deal this really is. If it were not for the Presidential fabricated deadline dates with this crazy debt "crisis" I almost guarantee this would be all over the MSM even though it doesn't follow their real goals of making their guy in the White House look good at any expense. This is on the national radar and much larger than local news editors already.

I expect to see some very high-up people having some serious problems when the smoke clears. The facts are coming out slowly and it is pointing far above the "low hanging fruit" in the accountability field.

Since this is the industry I deal, work and live in I may be a little more ahead of the curve on this just due to the circles I run in. I can assure you that this IS a very big deal and is shaking things up all the way to the top. Its far beyond NRA, GOA, JPFO, SAF, etc catching on. They did a long time ago and now its happening on a Congressional level. The ball is rolling fast and picking up momentum every day. Its not all over the MSM like it would be, and will be when the facts of accountability make it public.

Had this not come to light it is my opinion that we would already be facing a newly fabricated crisis of US guns flowing into Mexico and cries for more restrictive US gun laws. They have been working this angle for a long time but since the facts showed that only a very small percentage of Mexican crime guns originated in the US, it had no legs.

When this operation came to light to flood Mexico with US guns and it was being done by the US Government against protests of legal gun dealers, law enforcement officials and BATFE agents who knew what was going on, it derailed their little plan just as it was about to start its launch. If it were not for the BATFE whistle blower who knocked the lid off this one, we would be fighting a very different, well coordinated anti-gun campaign right now.

Watch this issue, and watch it close. The people we may find involved will not be low level people but high level officials who believe when it comes to following laws and doing very bad things, the ends justify the means if their goals are more restrictions on law abiding gun owners.

The allegations are extremely concerning here, to the point of real, high level conspiracy. The kinds of things people involved in this are claiming has happened are at the level I used to want to believe too crazy to be true. Whatever the truth is, we will find out very soon. The investigations are in full swing and have just started. This may make Watergate look like a kids gang little white lie when it all shakes out.

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Firearms Bureau Chief Is Out

Firearms Bureau Chief Is Out After Disputed Inquiry

The Obama administration on Tuesday replaced two top Justice Department officials associated with Operation Fast and Furious, an ill-fated investigation into a gun-trafficking ring in Arizona, reassigning the acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and announcing the resignation of the United States attorney in Phoenix.

U.S. Attorney for Arizona resigns in wake of Fast and Furious investigation

Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke resigned Tuesday as fallout continued over a massive gun-trafficking operation that went awry.

His resignation came two weeks after he abruptly ended his testimony to a congressional oversight panel about his role in the controversial Operation Fast and Furious, conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Firearms Agency Chief Leaves After Criticism

The Justice Department…told Issa’s committee that…prosecutor…Emory Hurley, is being reassigned…Hurley was described in the congressional report as the “lead prosecutor” in the gun operation.

Michelle Anderson
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But here is an interesting

But here is an interesting piece of information, which is from the Bloomberg article I cited in the post above this one:

Melson told congressional investigators...he didn’t review documents related to the program until after it became a subject of public controversy...that Justice Department officials blocked his attempts to share information with members of Congress, according to a summary of the interview released by Issa and Grassley.

[Note: This excerpt plus the excerpt in the previous post total 75 words.]

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.....and the reaction from

.....and the reaction from Snowe and Collins is...............nada.

Michelle Anderson
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I missed this earlier this

I missed this earlier this month, but the federal government, in a classic exposition of adding insult to injury denied the family victim status, has officially opined that the murdered border agent's parents are not eligible to have victim status. Amazingly, there appeared to be a strange conflict of interest here, as the prosecutor who denied the request was highly involved in "Operation Fast and Furious" as well. Oh, and he's one of the three who lost his job today.

US opposes 'modest request' of slain border agent's parents
The prosecutor who is opposing the Terrys' effort is Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory T. Hurley, the lead prosecutor for Operation Fast and Furious, according to a congressional investigation..."Avila's offenses are too factually and temporally attenuated from the murder - if connected at all," Hurley says in the filing.

Agent Terry’s Family Denied Crime Victim Status In Gun Walker Case
[The] family asked to be granted status as crime victims, so they could talk with prosecutors and speak at Avila’s sentencing….the U.S. Attorney’s office in Arizona has denied them. 

... Avila might have cut a deal with prosecutors…a development that would go over…poorly if Terry’s family was seated in the courtroom...with official crime victim status.  The family may also be considering a wrongful death suit against the federal government, which would involve Burke. 

Feds oppose agent’s parents becoming part of case
...become a party in the case against a man accused of buying two rifles found at the shooting scene.

They argue the request by Agent Brian Terry’s parents shouldn’t be granted in the criminal case against Jaime Avila and 19 others accused of participating in a gun smuggling ring.

Prosecutors say Terry was a murder victim, but he wasn’t a victim of Avila’s firearms offenses as defined under the Crime Victims’ Rights Act.

Mike G
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So Avila is accused of buying

So Avila is accused of buying the two rifles with the complicity of ATF and DOJ?

You mean ATF and DOJ doesn't KNOW who they allowed to buy those 2 rifles for the exact purpose of having them smuggled into Mexico, with the exact HOPE that they would show up at a crime/murder scene. Because the rifles showing up at a murder scene was the only way they could track the guns.

The DOJ and ATF should be on trial here.

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So Melson is gone. Surprise,

So Melson is gone. Surprise, surprise.

The worst part of this is that there is NO accountability and NO punishment for wrong doing. There never is.

Melson will very quietly be moved to another, likely more lucrative, job and it will just be business as usual when they bring in the next flunky to head BATF.

The thing that gets me is that bureaucrats, once within the system, stay there, in one job or another, til they die, or retire. There is never any accountability, ever. The man who murdered Vicki Weaver, while unarmed and standing in her kitchen with her infant daughter in her arms, escaped any punishment, in fact he was promoted to other high paying jobs in the government.

The credibility of BATF and the FBI is zero in this house. Until they start to hold themselves accountable (pipe dream!) I have absolutely no faith in any of them and expect we will see more of this stuff, and worse, before there will ever be any significant changes in the way bureaucrast do things.

WC

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Emails show some W.H. contact

Emails show some W.H. contact on 'Fast and Furious'

The new emails, delivered to Congress Thursday night, show contacts between William Newell, the head of the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and Kevin O’Reilly, who served as director for North American affairs on the White House National Security Staff. O’Reilly, in turn, briefed Dan Restrepo, the NSS senior director for the Western Hemisphere, and Greg Gatjanis, director for Counterterrorism and Counternarcotics, White House officials confirmed Friday.

Evidence Suggests Cover-Up in ATF Scandal, as More Guns Appear at Crime Scenes

Just hours after the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, federal officials tried to cover up evidence that the gun that killed Terry was one the government intentionally helped sell to the Mexican cartels in…Operation Fast and Furious…

Also late Thursday, Sen. Charles Grassley's office revealed that 21 more Fast and Furious guns have been found at violent crime scenes in Mexico. That is up from 11 the agency admitted just last month.

Cover-up in ATF gunwalker case?

…U.S. Attorney's office in Arizona sought to cover up a link between…"Fast and Furious" and the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Terry was murdered…assault rifles [from Operation Fast and Furious]…found at the scene.

…US Attorney's office …did not immediately disclose the two had any link...Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) say there's evidence that officials at ATF and the US Attorney's office sought to hide the connection.

Mike G
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I wonder if this is standard

I wonder if this is standard operational procedure for the DEA also. Let's allow the drug cartel shipments into the US and then see how much shows up on the streets so we can track them back to the source? Then we can target these individuals for prosecution and assess the damage from these shipments to US soil.

Anyone with an IQ over 70 should understand that the fast and furious "investigation" was nothing more than a false flag. For the press to suggest that this was some kind of viable investigation suggests that they are complicite with the government of legitimizing false flags.

Why should an intelligent American believe anything the government or press tells us.

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The "gun runners" were

The "gun runners" were federal. They were all federal employees using federal money to buy guns which were federally owned to be transferred to Mexican drug gangs. Six months ago this entire operation was directly linked to Rahm Emanuel, White House Chief of Staff, and Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States. Now, just who is above those two in the chain of command? Why, it's Barry himself. Is anybody surprised?

This whole operation was widely reported in the RTBA community over six months ago. At that time, citizens took great risks to move this into the open. Citizens who cause the BATF to be disgruntled often die in a blaze of gunfire with a firearm beside them that can't be traced. JBTs call these "drop guns". If the hapless citizen turns out to be unarmed the cold gun is dropped at the scene as "evidence" and it's called a "good shoot". Poor guy just opened his mouth.

The problem is that many citizens feel alone and threatened, but the time could come when the question of who is alone and threatened could be reversed. You see, there are very public records of who committed these crimes against honest Americans. There are photographs of these people. There are fingerprints of these people. Their acts could result in "Unintended Consequences". Buy the book by that title. The book is selling for up to $634 (plus shipping) on Amazon.com in hardbound new condition with dust jacket intact. I'm told the BATF buys them as fast as they find them. Act now to get your copy. When the book hit $250 I stopped lending mine.

"$634.06 + $3.99shipping New Seller: gb_book
Seller Rating:96% positive over the past 12 months. (1,770 total ratings)
In Stock. Ships from CA, United States. Expedited shipping available.
Domestic shipping rates and return policy."

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Update: I bought two copies

Update: I bought two copies of Unintended Consequences on Amazon last month for $24.99.

I see that today, they start at $69.44.

Mike G
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Gold went up too

Gold went up too

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This is a link to an

This is a link to an interview today with Larry Pratt, Executive Director of Gun Owners of America. It's essentially an updated, connect-the-dot synopsis of events and reports that have been uncovered so far. He's pretty emphatic about the strength of the evidence and the extent to which heads will (should?) roll. You will see the link for part 2 in the index to the right.

Roger Ek
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Does your supplier have any

Does your supplier have any more, Michelle? I would buy five at that price and sell each for better than $100.

Michelle Anderson
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My supplier is Amazon, Roger.

My supplier is Amazon, Roger.

I've been watching it since you lent me the book last year. It only recently got somewhat reasonable.

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Operation Gunwalker, the

Operation Gunwalker, the rogue ATF operation to arm Mexico's cartels, extends now to three White House officials. A bell goes off with the one named Dan Restrepo.

Either he's kept Obama in the dark about Gunwalker, or Obama should be impeached.

Well, I'm not one to call for impeachment, but Obama sure knows how to choose his advisors.

A White House Gunrunner?

Mike G
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Mainemom How the republicans

Mainemom

How the republicans could miss the opportunity to oust this regime in 2012, would be beyond me.

Roger

I picked up a copy of "unintended Consequences" on Amazon for 73 bucks including shipping, the kicker was Amazon and Chase gave me 40 bucks gift for my new credit card, so only 33 bucks, I'll never use the card again.

Another paper trail for the tinhat society however, but hard to buy one with cash.

I hope the first few chapters are good otherwise I'll just put it down. :)

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September 19, 2011 12:53

September 19, 2011 12:53 PM
Secret recordings raise new questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' operation
WASHINGTON - CBS News has obtained secretly recorded conversations that raise questions as to whether some evidence is being withheld in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108240-10391695.html

well well Maybe the LSM is going to finally wake up to the scam that's been going on since Jan 20 2009.

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