Allegations regarding ATF / Project Gunrunner & US / Mexican Smuggling

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Michelle Anderson
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Apparently, ABC, NBC, and

Apparently, ABC, NBC, and other "main stream media" are not carrying news stories of any import on this issue. CBS and Fox News are the main stories on the internet -- not counting blogs.

Lawmakers Claim Justice Inspector Obstructed Probe Into ‘Fast and Furious’
The inspector general of the Department of Justice undermined and obstructed a congressional investigation by releasing secret tape recordings that corroborate allegations of misconduct in "Operation Fast and Furious," according to a letter written by Rep. Darrell Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley...Schnedar failed to even listen to the recordings before handing them over to the actual targets of the investigation, the letter alleges.

Secret recordings of unraveling ATF weapons scandal
In a series of secretly recorded audio tapes believed to have been recorded in March 2010 and obtained by CBS News, an Arizona gun dealer and an ATF agent discuss ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation that allowed thousands of weapons to be smuggled into Mexico and into the hands of drug cartels.

It seems from the recordings that Eric Holder was not exactly forthcoming when he told Rep. Issa -- under oath, I believe -- that the earliest he knew anything about the operation was sometime in April.

From Big Government:
What’s also interesting about the recordings is that although they were made in mid-March 2011, Attorney General Eric Holder’s name comes up quite a bit…In other words, he was well aware of the operation by mid-March 2011, and this is somewhat ironic because in answering questions from Congressman Darrell Issa on May 3 he said he only learned of Fast and Furious “over the last few weeks.”

From that recording, which, let me stress again, was done in the middle of March:

HOWARD: “Holder has to respond to this tomorrow.”
McALLISTER: “Yeah, he’s gonna respond.”

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9/27/11 3:00pm Matt Drudge

9/27/11 3:00pm Matt Drudge Headline: ...."U.S. Government Used Taxpayer Funds to Buy, Sell Weapons During 'Fast and Furious,' Documents Show".....

......"Not only did U.S. officials approve, allow and assist in the sale of more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa cartel -- the federal government used taxpayer money to buy semi-automatic weapons, sold them to criminals and then watched as the guns disappeared"......

...."It heightens the culpability of the federal government as Mexico, according to sources, has opened two criminal investigations into the operation that flooded their country with illegal weapons".......

Maybe someone will hang before this is over. I am glad it has not gone away. Obama and Eric Holder are in this up to their armpits as it was a plan to make a big stink over gunrunning to Mexicl so that more anti-gun rubbish could be put into law in this country. Glad it backfired bigtime. Hope we hold those birds responsible.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/26/us-government-bought-and-sold... Officials, Gunrunning with American Tax Dollars[/url]

WC

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CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson

CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson is to be commended for going after this story.
She says a woman at the DOJ yelled at her for her questioning and a guy at the White House screamed at her.
She names names on the Laura Ingraham show.
See here.

Michelle Anderson
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Oversight Committee seeks

Oversight Committee seeks Special Counsel to Probe Holder on ‘Fast and Furious’

House Republicans are calling for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, was sending a letter to President Obama on Tuesday arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself, and requesting the president instruct the Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel.

Is Eric Holder the 21st Century John Mitchell?

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Moments ago, Barack Obama

Moments ago, Barack Obama asserted his trust in Eric Holder, vis-a-vis his involvement -- or Barack would say "non-involvement" in this disastrous and unConstitutional program. Obama said that he has the utmost trust in Holder and the fact that Holder is assigning an inspector general to investigate him.

!!!

Aside from the obvious conflict of interest problems this brings up, the fact is that we sure could use Leon Jaworski about now.

One of the reasons that the Teapot Dome scandal was so toxic to President Warren G. Harding was the fact that he chose to similarly "stand by his man" with this statement: "The policy which has been adopted by the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of the Interior in dealing with these matters was submitted to me prior to the adoption thereof, and the policy decided upon and the subsequent acts have at all times had my entire approval."

For those of you who don't remember what the Teapot Dome was about, I will refer you to an article I wrote last week on just that topic. It's a simplified version, but I trust you can draw your own conclusions about the similarities between Warren Harding's scandal and Barack Obama's scandals (plural: Operation Fast and Furious as well as the Solyndra caper.)

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Obama said that he has the

Obama said that he has the utmost trust in Holder and the fact that Holder is assigning an inspector general to investigate him.

Obama always says that before he throws his buds under the bus.

How am I supposed to tell my clients to do their taxes honestly - when we have the head of the Treasury Department who cheats on his taxes, (and gets away without any penalties or fines,) and his boss who oversaw the the ATF knowingly selling guns to criminals so they can commit murders?

I scape through every inch of my car before I drive to Massachusetts to make sure that a shotgun shell or .22 isn't rolling around in the spare tire well, meanwhile these guys are breaking every law in the book, it seems.

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Tom, come on you know better.

Tom, come on you know better. Laws are only for the little people like us. The never apply to the beautiful people. It would be an injustice for the political elite to be treated like ordinary people. Of course there is the rub, our politicians are so insulated from ordinary people that our system is upside down. There is an unintended consequence if there ever was one. Can you imagine our founding fathers' reaction to congressmen and women being insulated and isolated from the people they serve?

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It would be a happy day if

It would be a happy day if Holder ended up in an adjoining cell with Bernie Madoff.

Michelle Anderson
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The sheriffs who have gotten

The sheriffs who have gotten together on this issue are five Democrats and five Republicans. Sheriff Babeau said, in an interview this morning, “This is not a partisan issue, but a serious public safety issue that threatens the safety of our citizens and our deputies. Our own federal government has armed the very cartels that our law enforcement are fighting with on a daily basis.”

Ten Arizona Sheriffs Call For Special Counsel to Investigate Eric Holder
Shortly after Attorney General Eric Holder sent a combative letter to Congress yesterday denying he knew about Operation Fast and Furious prior to testimony in May 2011, (despite memos showing Holder was briefed at least five times in July and August 2010 about the program) ten Arizona sheriffs, including National Sheriff of the Year Paul Babeu, came together to demand accountability from Holder for the lethal program that deliberately put 2,000 high powered weapons into the hands of the most dangerous criminals in North America.

Speaking about Holder on Thursday at the press conference referenced above, Mr. Obama said this: "He's indicated that he was not aware of what was happening in Fast and Furious; certainly I was not,and I think both he and I would have been very unhappy if somebody had suggested that guns were allowed to pass through that could have been prevented by the United States of America. He has assigned an Inspector General to look into how exactly this happened, and I have complete confidence in him and I've got complete confidence in the process to figure out who, in fact, was responsible for that decision and how it got made."

Arizona Sheriffs Demand Special Counsel to Investigate Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice for Roles in Operation Fast & Furious
The Sheriffs are demanding the truth from U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and believe that those responsible should be held criminally accountable for allowing 2,000 guns, including assault weapons and 50 caliber rifles, to be purchased on U.S. soil and then turned over to the drug cartels of Mexico.

Michelle Anderson
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News reports airing now,

News reports airing now, indicating that Eric Holder has been served with subpoena to testify before Congress.

Michelle Anderson
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There are now TWO murders

There are now TWO murders tied to Fast & Furious, and Congress continues to investigate.

Homeland Security head Janet Napolitano recited in a zombie voice her semi-answers, indicating that she never heard of the operation. She said -- and I heard this with my own two ears -- that she didn't look into it because Holder had handed it over to an inspector.

Napolitano queried on lack of ‘Fast and Furious’ probe
But with Ms. Napolitano making appearances before the House and Senate judiciary committees over the past two weeks, attention has expanded to her department’s role and why she didn’t immediately demand more answers after Terry’s death.

The agent’s death wasn’t the first time Homeland Security was tipped to the ongoing operation.

Agents from Ms. Napolitano’s department were asked twice in 2009 to “stand down” by the ATF when they picked up guns involved in the operation.

Contrast and compare Senator Chavitz and Janet Napolitano in demeanor.

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Nothing to see here . .

Nothing to see here . .

Obama Admin Seals Records of Murdered Border Patrol Agent Implicated in Fast and Furious

I wonder if he runs this stuff by his campaign committee, first.

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Fast and Furious'

Fast and Furious' Whistleblowers Struggle Six Months After Testifying Against ATF Program

No good deed goes unpunished.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/30/fast-and-furious-whistleblowe...

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Justice Withdraws Inaccurate

Justice Withdraws Inaccurate 'Fast And Furious' Letter It Sent To Congress

Under fire for losing track of weapons that turned up at crime scenes...the Justice Department has taken the extraordinary step of formally withdrawing an inaccurate letter about the episode that it sent to Congress earlier this year.

Misleading Congress can be a prosecutable offense if a person who makes the statements knows they are false. But Attorney General Eric Holder has told lawmakers that so far he has no evidence anyone intended to deceive them.

Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong
Where Burke got the inaccurate information is now part of an inquiry conducted by the inspector general's office at the Justice Department. Burke's information was followed by a three-day struggle in which officials in the office of the deputy attorney general, the criminal division and the ATF came up with what turned out to be an inaccurate response to Grassley's assertions.

Justice Dept. details how it got statements wrong
The Justice Department…provided Congress with documents detailing how department officials gave inaccurate information to a U.S. senator…In a letter last February to…ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Justice Department said [ATF] had not sanctioned the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser and that the agency makes every effort to intercept weapons that have been purchased illegally. In Operation Fast and Furious, both statements turned out to be incorrect.

Justice Department Reveals Origins of False Gun Letter To Grassley
Emails show Lanny Breuer, the assistant attorney genera…received versions of the letter on four occasions via email…forwarded the emails to a personal account…told Congressional investigators…he “cannot say for sure” whether he viewed the drafts. [He] conceded Oct. 31 he knew federal officials allowed assault guns and other weapons to fall into the possession of Mexican drug cartels as early as April 2010, 10 months before the department denied...that the investigative strategy was used.

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Last week’s testimony by A.G.

Last week’s testimony by A.G. Holder has been largely swept under the rug by the mainstream media. Leading up to the hearing, the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform unveiled a new website dedicated to Fast and Furious: [url=http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/] Link to Site [/url]

Mike Vanderbough has now published a copy of the email exchange between US Attorneys Dennis Burke and Jenny Durkan dated 11/24/2010 described by Rep. Jason Chaffetz in last week’s hearing. In the emails they gleefully discuss the fact that they have Mexican deaths to use to justify their gun control ambitions. Example quotes: “… Katie-bar-the-door when we unveil this baby” and “What a great investigation” [url=http://www.scribd.com/doc/75462002/Bar] Link to emails [/url] Let’s see how long it takes for the mainstreamers to pick up on this one.

CBS News reporter Sharyl Atkisson finally picked up on the evidence that Fast & Furious is part of Obama administrations “under the radar” gun control scheme: [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-us... Link to CBS report [/url] . (Ref. posts 26 & 34 above for an idea of how long the information has been out and ignored by the mainstream media.)

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"The chief of the Criminal

"The chief of the Criminal Division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona is refusing to testify before Congress regarding Operation Fast and Furious"

"To avoid needless preparation by the Committee and its staff for a deposition next week, I am writing to advise you that my client is going to assert his constitutional privilege not to be compelled to be a witness against himself."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/20/federal-official-in-arizona-t...

As a federal employee, If you cannot testify under oath concerning what your agency has done, or what you knew that your agency has done, then you should be compelled (read fired) to get a job elsewhere! That action (involking his constitutional privilege) in and of itself should be justification to begin a criminal investigation.

Certanly not within the Department of Justice!

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In that regard, I wonder if

In that regard, I wonder if Holder will give him the Garrity warning? In the alternative, I wonder if he will be offered immunity? Either would be useful.

The best would be giving him the Kalkines warning, following a grant of transactional immunity.

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The dominoes are falling,

The dominoes are falling, slowly but surely...

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Direct quotes during last

Direct quotes during last week's congressional hearings:

Ann Marie Buerkle (R-NY): So, let me ask it this way: How many more Border Patrol agents would have had to die as part of Operation Fast and Furious for you to take responsibility?

Eric Holder's response: You know, I mean, really, is that  the way in which you want to be seen--you want to be known?   You know, I should be held accountable for, certainly, my role in whatever I did or didn’t do in connection with the supervision of Fast  and Furious, but I’m Attorney General of the United States, and I should also be accountable and perhaps even given some credit — imagine that — given some credit for the things that this Justice Department has done under my leadership, whether it deals with  national security, revitalized antitrust, revitalized civil rights enforcement effort.  And so one has to balance all of these things.

I get up every day and try to do the best job that I can.  I have great faith in the people who work in the department. And, you know, that kind of question, I think, is, frankly — and again, respectfully — I think that’s beneath a member of Congress.

Rep. Tim Walberg (R-MI) brought up Holder's reopening of a criminal investigation into abuse of terrorist detainees by CIA interrogators (known as "enhanced interrogation techniques"), to which Eric Holder replied: Given the  decision to almost engage in character assassination, I’m going to respond to at least some of that.

I’m the attorney general of the United States.  OK? 

And when it comes to deciding what I’m going to investigate--how I’m going to  investigate--I take into account a wide variety of things.  The decision I made to open up those CIA matters--and I was aware that this was something that was opposed by a great many people--that investigation has run its course.  We are at a point where we are about to close those investigations.

Then there is Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) suggested that Holder should resign, and that 6-minute back and forth is quite good.

For those who don't want to go to the video, Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) suggested that Holder should resign, adding, You either lied or you were grossly incompetent in your actions when it came to finding out about Fast and Furious and your handling of this matter.

Labrador also brought up Holder's statements about the pardon of Marc Rich, to which an apparently offended Holder replied: The Marc Rich thing was considered in my confirmation--talked about it then.  There is a whole bunch of things that I could say about what you just did, and maybe this is the way you do things, you know, in Idaho or wherever you’re from.

But understand something:  What I’ve done--I’m proud of the work that I’ve done as attorney general of the United States.  And looked at fairly--I think that I’ve done, you know, a pretty good job.  Have I been perfect?  No.  Have I made mistakes?  Yes.  Do I treat the members of this committee with respect?  I always hope that I do. 

And what you have just done is--if nothing else--disrespectful.

And if you don’t like me, that’s one thing. But you should respect the fact that I hold an office that is deserving of respect. And you know, maybe you’re new to this committee.  I don’t know. I don’t know how long you’ve been here.  But my hope would be that--you know--we can get beyond that kind of interaction, that kind of treatment of a witness, whether it’s me or somebody else, because I think in some ways what you did was fundamentally unfair; just not right.

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TJC, would you please give a

TJC, would you please give a brief description of a Garrity and a Kalkines warning for us non-attorneys?

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01/27/2012 "On Friday,

01/27/2012

"On Friday, Cunningham left the U.S. Attorney’s Office for a job in the private sector."

http://neglectedwar.com/blog/archives/11745

His resignation letter should have accompanied the letter invoking his constitutional privilege to not testify to Congress, along with the keys to his office and access to the DOJ.
Instead he had a week to do what?
I could not find any other article (google) relating to his resignation.

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Some good news,

Some good news, finally?

Republicans prepare contempt citation against Eric Holder over Fast and Furious

If I'm reading it correctly, it looks more like a political sanction than a criminal proceeding although I can see that it can have legal consequences. Will Holder lose his right to practice law in the border states?

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Since I doubt Holder would

Since I doubt Holder would ever get any significant punishment out of it, I'd like to see him in some community service, with photographers. Say, weeding Michelle's garden or picking up brass at the Secret Service rifle range.

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The underlying motivation for

The underlying motivation for Fast & Furious / "Operation Gunwalker" was evident again yesterday when the BATFE held what they described as a "roundtable" discussion of gun trace data for guns submitted by the Mexican government. (i.e. the guns were pre-screened by Mexican authorities as suspected to be from the U.S.) Interestingly, the event was only open to select credentialed journalists, and no electronic recording, audio or video, of the event was permitted.

[quote]Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., claimed yesterday ... 68.5 percent of recovered weapons were of U.S. origin. ... But the thing is, the data ... cautions against jumping to hysterical conclusions. “Not all firearms used in crimes are traced and not all firearms traced are used in crime,” ATF reminds us ... “[S]ources reported for firearms traced do not necessarily represent the sources or methods by which all firearms in general are used in crime.”[/quote]

[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/feinstein-continues-to-misrepresent-mexi... Link to Source [/url]

[quote]The majority of the sales ... actually come from government to government sales, not from normal sales made in American gun shops. ... Hageman wouldn’t openly admit Fast and Furious guns were being lumped in with this data, he responded by saying that any gun ... traced back to the U.S. is counted. ... It was determined that stolen guns are indeed counted in this data. “I don’t have an accurate accounting for that,” Hageman said.[/quote]
[url=http://townhall.com/columnists/katiepavlich/2012/04/27/atf_publishes_mis... Link to Source [/url]

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Apparently, Obama has just

Apparently, Obama has just asserted Executive Privilege over Fast and Furious documents.

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I just read that a few

I just read that a few minutes ago in the news.

First thing I thougt was "guess this will be the last straw in finishing off "the one", at least in those few places where he still has any credibility.

He cannot prevail on this, way too many people are aware of what happened. O and Holder should be punished for this disgraceful action.

WC

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Oh, I'm sure that

Oh, I'm sure that conservative news and blog outlets will extract every bit of goodness out of this one that they can, WC, but I suspect this one won't be enough in and of itself to send Obama on to his lucrative next career on the lecture circuit.

I'm waiting to see how the media leaks of national security stuff plays out. That one's even got the Dems alarmed.

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It looks like things could

It looks like things could start to get interesting as the claims of Executive Privilege lead more news outlets to ask how the White House is involved and to finally start making the connections between the Obama administrations "under the radar" gun control agenda and Fast and Furious.

Terence Jeffrey of CNS News published a piece today that outlines some of the links that have been established previously in detail by Vanderbough, Codrea and CBS News Sharyl Atkisson. [url=http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-made-pre-inaugural-pledge-stopping... Link to CNS story [/url]

(reference post #26, 34 & 75 above and [url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-us... previous CBS News story [/url] )

Dr. Lott opined that "Holder's Day of Reckoning Has Finally Arrived" in his Fox News opinion piece:
[quote]President Obama may want this scandal to disappear, but supplying guns to Mexican drug gangs that are then used in crimes is itself a crime. Supplying the guns as a way to push for gun control should be a crime. But, with the Congressional vote today to hold Eric Holder in contempt, the a year-and-a-half of stonewalling is coming to an end.[/quote]

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/20/fast-and-furious-holder-day-re... Link to Dr Lott on Fox News Site [/url]

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Garrity warning Consequences
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This is Obamagate. Where is

This is Obamagate. Where is old Oliver North when you need him, he might have something to say about arms deals.

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