Angler, there are reams of economic data and studies on demand elasticity (or lack of) for cigarettes in various markets. It is a fascinating economic topic, and I think a quick web search will give you enough information to keep you reading for the next month or so.
[size=18]MEMO TO THE GOVERNOR: KEEP YOUR FRIENDS CLOSE[/size]
Saturday, January 27, 2007
[b]Maybe it's one of the perverse perks of lame-duckdom.
Or maybe party discipline isn't what it used to be.[/b]
Whatever is behind it, with friends like this, we wonder why Democratic Gov. John Baldacci even needs Republicans to give him a hard time.
We refer, of course, to the remarkable sight of House Speaker Glenn Cummings and Senate President Beth Edmonds -- normally considered the administration's foot soldiers
Support Lacking for $1/pack tax hike
Democratic leaders say they don't have votes to approve Gov. John Baldacci's $1-a-pack hike in the cigarette tax punching up to a $131 million hole in the proposed state budget.
Both Democratic leaders said Wednesday they would not rule out a smaller increase in the cigarette tax....
"If we can get to place where both Republicans and Democrats can support a 10-cent, 20-cent or 30-cent increase," Cummings said, then some tax hike is still viable.
R's - please:
I agree, Naran. But the Dems will ask the R's for a way to make up the missing millions. How should the R's respond?
Since this isn't an election year, perhaps the Rs will actually propose something constructive. Last year, they just said no, never offered real alternatives, and the Ds passed their own budget. Despite predictions, it didn't hurt them in the elections one bit. The Rs wouldn't say what they would cut, because they knew no matter what they proposed, some interest group would be against it.
[quote="democrat"]Since this isn't an election year, perhaps the Rs will actually propose something constructive. [/quote]
Like cutting the rampant and wreckless spending Demcrats are addicted to?.
Your last post...you're not serious, are you?
[size=18]Industry tries to fire up foes of cigarette tax hike[/size]
By ANN S. KIM, Staff Writer
Friday, March 2, 2007
AUGUSTA - The tobacco industry has launched its fight against a proposal to give Maine the nation's highest cigarette tax.
Lawmakers next week are scheduled to begin debating Gov. John Baldacci's proposal to raise the tax from $2 to $3 a pack, although Democrats and Republicans say legislators are unlikely to approve such an increase.
[quote]Rep. H. Sawin Millett Jr., R-Waterford, said he has been hearing concerns from store owners who fear the increase will drive customers over the border into nearby New Hampshire, where the tax is 80 cents per pack. Millett, an opponent of the $1 increase and the committee's ranking minority member, said he has yet to hear from the tobacco industry.[/quote]
[quote][b]Group backs $1.50 hike in cigarette tax[/b]
By Kennebec Journal Staff Report March 05, 2007 12:04 PM
AUGUSTA â€” A group of health care advocates announced their support today
for a $1.50 increase in the cigarette tax.
The Maine Coalition on Smoking or Health said at a Statehouse press
conference that Gov. John Baldacciâ€™s proposal to increase the tax by $1
per pack isnâ€™t enough. They urged lawmakers to increase the tax more
dramatically in an effort to keep teenagers from smoking.[/quote]
[url=http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/009897.html]Holy Tax Hike, Marlboro Man![/url]
[size=18]Should we be hooked on tobacco taxes?[/size]
Tuesday, March 6, 2007
Cigarette taxes make smokers happy. Really.
A team of researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in 2002, found escalating cigarette taxes also raise smokers' spirits. And not just American spirits, either, as a comparison with our neighbor to the north - Canada - revealed similar smoker sentiment.
[quote="Editor"]I agree, Naran. But the Dems will ask the R's for a way to make up the missing millions. How should the R's respond?
If taxing tobacco "for the public good" is a good idea, then we need a tax on these special intrest groups that continue to attempt to control us. :twisted:
[i]Editorâ€™s Note: If these federal projections for decreasing smoking come to pass, will that impact any Baldacci program funding plans??[/i]
Tamping down tobacco
Bill would toughen industry oversight, restrict ads targeting children
By Ruth Mantell, MarketWatch
Last Update: 3:50 PM ET Mar 4, 2007
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Smokers trying to quit and parents trying to make sure their children never start may gain a helping hand from a piece of recently proposed legislation.
The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act aims to clear the air around tobacco marketing by charging the Food and Drug Administration with regulating claims about reduced-risk products as well as levels of tar and nicotine, and with preventing tobacco advertising that targets children.
[quote="angler.k"]If taxing tobacco "for the public good" is a good idea, then we need a tax on these special intrest groups that continue to attempt to control us. :twisted:[/quote]
How many PAC's are out there anyhow? think of the money Gov. Baldez could reel in if we taxed ever PAC group or special intrest organizations that wants to "protect their rights and lifestyles" and the heck with the rest of maine. Say 100.00 for every person who belonged to these groups? That would be a lot of money, and heck we might actually get to enjoy maine once again without worrying about what speical interest group is going to form to take away more of your rights next.
[size=18]It's enough to make you quit smoking[/size]
By Bill Nemitz
Wednesday, March 7, 2007
A memo to Maine smokers:
I know, I know. It's been a rough week.
Here it is March and you're being forced to stand out there in the single-digit, wind-chilled cold, trying to get that balky Bic lighter to work before your hands go numb. If the butts don't kill you here in Maine, the hypothermia will.
[quote]Here's an even bigger number: According to the Campaign for Tobacco Free Kids, every pack of cigarettes you smoke costs us fellow Mainers $11.61 in everything from state Medicaid expenditures to lost productivity. That's 58 cents per cancer stick.[/quote]As usual, do-gooder nannies throw around numbers without any substantiating evidence.
I would like to see the proof and the process used to arrive at this figure. It gets bigger everytime it gets thrown out there, like most lies.
[size=18]Lawmakers hear from business, advocates, on cigarettes tax[/size]
By Glenn Adams,
March 6, 2007
AUGUSTA, Maine --Farmington market owner Jon Bubier said he had to come up with $10,000 for the state in a hurry the last time the Legislature increased cigarette taxes. He told lawmakers Tuesday he doesn't want the same thing to happen again.
"You're hurting small businesses in a dramatic way," Bubier told the Appropriations and Taxation committees. "We've got to do something but don't tax small business to death."
[quote][b]Tobacco tax criticized[/b]
By Morning Sentinel Staff Report March 09, 2007 04:05 PM
AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - Gov. John Baldacci's biennial budget plan was subjected to another test Friday, as a legislative committee gathered to grade it on its tax implications.
When it came to the $136 million tobacco tax increase that the governor has proposed, the Taxation Committee effectively said _ in four paragraphs _ not so fast.[/quote]
[size=18]Tax panel eyeing Baldacci budget doesn't like new tobacco levies[/size]
By Francis X. Quinn, March 9, 2007
AUGUSTA, Maine --Gov. John Baldacci's biennial budget plan was subjected to another test Friday, as a legislative committee gathered to grade it on its tax implications.
When it came to the $136 million tobacco tax increase that the governor has proposed, the Taxation Committee effectively said -- in four paragraphs -- not so fast.
[size=18]Tobacco firm fights new cigarette tax[/size]
By Meg Haskell
Saturday, March 10, 2007 - Bangor Daily News
AUGUSTA - Cigarette smokers in Maine are plenty aggravated over a proposed increase in the tax on a pack of cigarettes; a scan through the "reader comments" section of the Bangor Daily News Web site makes that clear.
But according to a spokesman from the countryâ€™s leading cigarette manufacturer, the state has more to fear than the ire of disgruntled consumers. Bill Phelps, manager of media affairs for Philip Morris USA, was in Augusta...
[size=18]Cigarette tax issue still burning[/size]
By Victoria Wallack
AUGUSTA (March 14): While health-care advocates say the state should raise the cigarette tax as high as it can to encourage people to quit, convenience store owners told legislators last week the proposed $1-a-pack hike is just going to drive more business over the border into New Hampshire.
â€œWe are a Maine-based convenience store chain and there arenâ€™t many of us left. In 2006, we had the worst profit in the history of our company,â€ said Jinger Duryea of the Big Apple Food Stores, owned by oil dealer C.N. Brown.
By BDN Staff
Wednesday, March 14, 2007 - Bangor Daily News
The problem with relying on cigarette taxes to balance the state budget is evident for the very reason anti-smoking groups want to raise the tax. These groups know that it is an effective way to persuade people to stop smoking. State government, which has vigorous campaigns to get people to quit, knows it too. Budget balancers must hope this state policy fails consistently.
Gov. John Baldacciâ€™s budget depends on raising the state cigarette tax another $1, to a total of $3, with the addition raising about $66 million a year.
$11.61 per pack in costs?
I could have sworn it was $10.87.
or maybe $12.02.
You know in a similar vein...
The cost to society for that whoopee pie you had
with your large coffee, cream, 4 sugars this morning
has a $9.72 cost to society attached or is it $8.96.
Pay up chubby.
The cost to society for that Allens you poured into that
large coffee, cream, 4 sugars when you got back to the car
is a lot more than that.
Some dumb ass liberals set that cost at $21.74
that's a cost of over $200.00 a bottle. The big bottle.
Tommorrow we look at the cost to society for that 40 ounce Budweiser
and big slim slim jim you stopped for on the way home today before dinner.
MAYBE we could just pay a
LEAVE ME THE F*@K ALONE TAX.
The nanny state could issue a Leave ME the f*@k alone ID card.
Cost you $100.00 a year and with it you
could smoke, drink or eat as much junk as you want
and the do gooders would have to just
leave you the f*@k alone.
Hey Governor 38%
LEAVE US THE F*@K ALONE!!
You whiney assed, do gooder, get into everyone's business
and screw up the state bone head.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
I am not often provoked to this kind of rage but they keep pushing it.
I don't usually watch TV but a few days ago I briefly saw some anti-smoking commercial
that showed three children. The closing words were one in three children will develop some type
of health problems from smoking. Does that mean the other 66% can smoke for 80 years and be just fine?
This was a bit confusing to me. Statistics are garbage. I am currently in a statistics class
and haven't seen a more useless endeavor.
In 2002, 49% of the people who were killed in accidents were in a motor vehicle.
5% died in swimming accidents.
I am soon going to start swimming to work, it is much safer.
[quote="KennyRoberts"] Statistics are garbage. I am currently in a statistics class
and haven't seen a more useless endeavor.[/quote]
:shock: Pay attention anyway in class, they come in handy later in life. If nothing else, they'll keep you from playing the lottery.
carry a gun while swimming, only 0.6 % were gun related.
LTTE in the KJ:
[quote][b]Maine tax burden doesn't help to attract tourism[/b]
Kennebec Journal & Morning Sentinel Sunday, March 18, 2007
Imagine a promotion where Maine tourism sends a coupon to 200,000 Bay Staters with a promotion that states: Visit Maine and pick up $120 at the Kittery bridge. Think it would increase traffic?
With no effort on their part, that's what New Hampshire is saying to Maine smokers. [/quote]
Sure hope this guy paid his Usury Taxes, because he outted himself and his spending habits in NH, bigtime.