BATH IRON WORKS ANNOUNCES MORE LAYOFFS

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BATH IRON WORKS ANNOUNCES MORE LAYOFFS

quote:Originally posted by Steven Scharf:
[b]So it is George Bush's fault that we are reducing the size of our military. I just love bleeding heart liberals who rage against war and then complain when we close down the war building enterprises. [/b]

You are absolutely right!The only Defense Spending Allen, Andrews, Mitchell,
(Snowe & Collins) ever seem to support is when it
means some juicy PORK back home.And in the world of Washington Politics... Snowe &
Collins figure President Bush owes them special favors
on BIW contracts and Base Closings -- [i][b]based on WHAT???[/b][/i]
[i]Surely not on their unwavering support of
everything else Presdient Bush was elected to do!![/i][ 04-20-2005: Message edited by: Martin ]

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BATH IRON WORKS ANNOUNCES MORE LAYOFFS

On Friday April 15th BIW notified it's largest union (IAM Local S6)that it would be laying off 32 additional workers. This would involve 17 tinknockers and 15 insulators.The layoffs will be effective April 29th.
BIW has been steadily reducing the workforce from a high of approximately 12000 in 1996 to todays level of 6500.
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Twelve years ago there were about 4,400 good paper industry jobs in Millinocket. Today there are about 440. Sad to see the Bath area experiencing similar losses. Is BIW looking for any civilian work? If they can create a separate segement of the company with a versatile work force they might get civilian work.

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When General Dynamics purchased BIW all attempts to get new civilian work ceased.
The company has been approached several times in recent years to bid on civilian work but has refused to do so.

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quote:Originally posted by BIW Worker:
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BIW has been steadily reducing the workforce from a high of approximately 12000 in 1996 to todays level of 6500.
[/b]

Looks like they are on their way out..................................too.

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My neighbor is one of them, he's been there 16 years.

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While I feel bad for laid off BIW workers I don't feel too bad. I worked at the iron works for several yeras back along time ago. I came to the yard with many experienced pipe fitters. Some of them were from the United Association ( a union for pipefitters and plumbers). Some of these guys had 35+ yeras experience pipefitting. At the time the pipeshop was very busy and looking to hire more pipefitters. The union convinced them to hire back a bunch of tin knockers, shipfitters, and electricians to work in the pipeshop. This was all fine until the pipe shop started to slow down.The union was only interested in seniority when it came to layoffs. While I appreciate that seniortity has it's place many of the workers that stayed when we got laid off had almost no pipefitting experience. I fail to see how having electricians try to do the work of pipefitters or vise versa benefits anyone,union or company.

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I can think of 3 reasons BIW is hurting....Allen,Snow and Collins....Nuff said :mad:

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That is ridiculous.

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It is? I don't think you can prove that.I will go to my grave believing the senators cost the BIW team the DD(X) design win.Re: commercial work; very, very hard to switch gears after being built around Naval work. They can build monster cruise ships for one tenth of what a DDG costs. There's a reason.Could they do the work? I suppose. Is there enough available for them to bid on? I doubt it.Are they in a position to bid competitively on commercial work? Hardly....they haven't ever done any. Everyone at the place is expert in DOD methods. They wouldn't be able to win a competitive commercial job without a major boost of some sort.

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The cut backs in ships will also hurt Ingalls. Last time I checked, Lott and Cochrane were not RINOs.

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Lott has long been the master of pork for Ingalls. He ended up getting LPD 17 back for them. And most folks know that in a winner take all, Ingalls would get DD(X), not only because of being more competitive, but for exactly the same political reasons that gave them the design job.Lowering the numbers hurts everybody...until they decide to lower the number of suppliers, in which case, the survivor may actually be better off than before.

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one of the reasons biw got out of commercial ship
building was the navy. at the time the navy wanted to be assured they would be avialable to
build there ships.
now that we are on the verge of bankruptcy as a nation,the navy wants to change the rules.
lets tell it like it really is!
the feeling that sen. lott would pull the ddx design from biw was prevelant on the minds of biw workers at the time of bidding.
the mix is the same in office now,lets see if
the results are the same.
my neighbor is a designer who was laid off last
month with over 20 years experience.her boss had tears in his eyes when he thanked her for her
dedicated service,and dreaded the loss of her skill. i might add she is one of many in my neighborhood that have lost their job under this administration. of these probably 80% voted for "bush". she was one,i wonder how she'll vote
next time?

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The DDX design is so flawed that the ship can't be built without major changes, costing millions. The Navy knows this, BIW/GD knows this, Ingalls (the design contractor) knows this. I wonder if Senator Collins knows this. She keeps talking about what an important ship it is to the nation's defense. Ha!It is sad to see competent, experienced draftsmen go out the door. The work right now is in the "backfit" world, and the designers there are getting bumped by designers from new construction who have more seniority, but no work. Not a good situation, but that's what unions demand.In production, the company tried in the 90s to establish cross-trade work so workers could do more than one thing with competence. The contract rewarded cross training with extra pay. The union tried it for three or four years, then shot it down in the next negotiation cycle. Without a flexible workforce they can never compete in the commercial world.In engineereing, the local management (people who have been with BIW since long before GD) keeps bringing in people with professional degrees and no shipbuilding experience. Experienced engineers with a wealth of shipbuilding know-how but no impressive paper credentials are doing problem solving jobs outside of new construction (and doing excellent work). The engineers leading projects in new construction may come from Maine Yankee or Pratt Whitney and they may have professional licenses etc., but they don't necessarily know anything about ships. Of course, they make more money than their more shipbuilding-smart colleagues.This is BIW today.

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Commercial work? What commercial work?I could count the number of commercial ships built in this country in the last ten years on 2 hands and that might be an exageration. Smaller boats and big barges yes but it would be a long, long time, (if ever) before BIW could even come remotely close to be in competition for any of that work.

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justme wrote:

quote: might add she is one of many in my neighborhood that have lost their job under this administration. of these probably 80% voted for "bush". she was one,i wonder how she'll vote next time?

So it is George Bush's fault that we are reducing the size of our military. I just love bleeding heart liberals who rage against war and then complain when we close down the war building enterprises.Steven Scharf
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Aug 10, 9:14 AM

Aug 10, 9:14 AM EDT

APNewsBreak: Union bans leader from holding office

BATH, Maine (AP) -- At least two suspended officers of the largest union at Maine's Bath Iron Works have been barred from running for office in upcoming elections.

The punishments were handed down by a three-member Machinists Union tribunal that heard allegations and evidence against former Local S6 President Michael Keenan, Vice President Troy Osgood, chief steward Michael Cyr and trustee Cathy London.

[url=http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ME_SHIPYARD_UNION_MEOL-?SITE=NHPO...

The story doesn't indicate what the offenses/allegations consisted of - you'd think a reporter would include that sort of detail.

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