The Big Bang Theory-A Logical Proof

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The Big Bang Theory-A Logical Proof

Thought I would run this by again to see if anyone has a provable alternative. I apologize for the superscripts and subscripts but I don't know how to show them in the AMG format.

We are all familiar with Einstein’s theory of relativity and its representative equation E = mc2. As written it can only be true if you believe someone or something created the universe because written in this fashion E-mc2 = 0 means there is no universe and no something or someone to have created it. Einstein himself probably did not believe it because if he had touted this hypothesis he would have been branded a heretic as other scientists who posited theories that did not conform to the accepted dogma of the time.
Einstein’s problem was he could not at the time reveal the truth even if he knew it because there was no way to test his theory at the time because of the impossibility of proving a negative. Fortunately for Einstein a part of his theory has proven correct as we have discovered how to destroy matter by splitting the atom and creating matter by applying at least a portion of that energy in sufficient concentration at elevated temperatures to convert pure carbon into diamond form. Einstein was still alive when both of these feats were accomplished but merely positing the fact that E-mc2= 0 still mystified him or, perhaps not.

What is missing in Einstein’s equation are the two terms that make not only a rational formulation but part of the explanation of the universe itself. That equation is Et1=mc2t2 where E is energy, m is mass c2 is the constant (the speed of light squared) and t is temperature. T, or time is the same on either side and thus cancels out. In the latter case, it is the temperature of the energy or surrounding space (t1) and the temperature of the physical mass (t2). The resultant equation becomes Et1 = mc2t2. The foregoing presents the problem I believe confronted Einstein in his quest because when t1 = t2 no matter what t is, the sides become equal and the equation must equal zero and therefore there would be nothing. The only feasible explanation is that at some time t as t1 approaches t2 some event must occur that prevents this inequality. That something must either be akin to spontaneous combustion or what is akin to cooling a solution to such a temperature that the transformed portion precipitates out. The only logical explanation, since both are known to exist, i.e. energy and matter, that energy is the forth state of matter joining solid, liquid and gas.
The problem is we have now created a theory that cannot be proven completely since matter cannot be completely destroyed but only converted to energy. We have however come close; first with the atomic bomb, converting matter by stripping at least one atom from its composition and by cooling liquid nitrogen to where all motion seems to halt. Therefore, the only conclusion becomes we still don’t know for sure because we will not be around at time t when t1 = t2. The reason being time will have removed one of the necessities of life; CO2 or H2O just as it has on all of the heavenly bodies we have observed.

The statement there is no life on other planets is a negative and impossible to prove. What is easier to prove is that there was once life as we know it on all the heavenly bodies we observe in the universe but, has since vanished because conditions became unsuitable to sustain it.

What is it that sustains all life forms capable of reproducing themselves? The answer is carbon, oxygen, hydrogen and radiation. It is the latter that causes the combination of the three elements into forms suitable to sustain life namely, carbon dioxide CO2 and H2O. When I say radiation, I mean the entire spectrum, not just the part visible to the human eye we define as light. This clarification is necessary because microbial life forms have been discovered in the deepest part of the ocean where visible light does not penetrate. In the absence of any one of these and all life as we know it ceases. If the latter is true our observation of the universe to date has shown, not that life had never existed in other parts of the universe, but the likelihood of its existing now is very questionable.

If there is something, we are faced with the dilemma of how it came about. There can only be two possibilities; it always was or it was created from nothing. That it was created from nothing can be summarily dismissed as an impossibility leaving us with it always was. Since it is moving and constantly changing it must have something to do with time and temperature. If Einstein’s equation is modified to include this factor it becomes:
ET1t1 = mc2T2 t2
This implies a beginning and end, but t must be at least 1 since if it were 0 there would be nothing. As there cannot be an end we have to include all time which has been implied by the term ∞, or infinity. Infinity however is a term used to avoid the problem of notating extremely large numbers that by the time you add more zeros (0) to unity (1) by shifting the origin they become insignificant. The same is true for decimal fractions if you proceed in the opposite direction from a point of origin.

If our something that is moving has no beginning and no end it must be traveling in a circle and not a straight line. That circle cannot be infinite in respect to time. It can be so long as to be measured in light years and seem infinite. Given that it is moving and is also reducing in mass as its composition is changing there must be something that is changing and since it can only be an energy transfer, temperature must also be a factor.

If we take the temperature of everything at time present, we find the earth’s surface at varying times during the day we find it varying due to the effects of the sun’s radiant energy and the offsetting effect of the earth’s radiant energy from its hot core. As we move into the Atmosphere above the earth into the ionosphere and into Space the calculated temperature is about -270 degrees centigrade. These measurements over time confirm both motion and energy transformation over changing time.
But what occurs when T1 = T 2? The equation reverts to E = mc2 at time t∞. Since we have said this cannot occur if there is something, an instantaneous event must take place at that unknown time t = ∞ that converts some of the energy back into matter. It can only be explained by considering a fourth state of matter besides a gas, a liquid or a solid and can only be energy and is such that at the moment T1 = T2 resulting in the equation going to zero, an event takes place similar to the precipitation of a dissolved solid at a certain temperature. Does the Big Bang Theory come to mind?

Like bending light, the atomic bomb, the creation of artificial diamonds and the superconductivity at extremely low temperatures, there is just too much circumstantial evidence to dismiss the theory there was always something. But what about the religious theory that God created the heavens and earth in seven days?

God, or gods, are the creation of man to enable control of a society. If Adam had lived alone in the Garden and his survival was guaranteed by the bounty of nature surrounding him he would have no need to steal, for the simple reason he couldn’t know what stealing was until someone defined it for him. The very absurdity of the biblical tale has forced theologians into hypocrisy. It is what makes Islam currently popular as the Imams have no illusions and can still keep their flocks in line with threats of the present and the hereafter.

The father was the first god, behave yourself or your father will spank you and or, follow my law or you will be punished in the afterlife. The latter was needed because it became impossible for leaders of a family or tribe to even prevent unacceptable conduct. When this did not suffice, governments became gods to exact punishment on earth and still the lawlessness has not stopped because we have ignored the punishment meant to be meted out by both the Holy Bible, the Torah or the Qur’an and that is death to the miscreants who cannot govern themselves in order to purge the society of those who cannot. We have created these governments as a substitute and they have all failed miserably.

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As someone with a bachelor's

As someone with a bachelor's in physics (with a strong emphasis in general relativity), I can safely say this is the worst post I've ever seen you put up here.

"Et1=mc2t2" as you put it, doesn't even balance out. And putting temperature in that equation literally makes no sense. Holy smokes I don't even know how to continue you've literally made my head explode.

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It seems your head may have

It seems your head may have exploded some time ago. If you read the post you will see that if you subtract one side from the other is it will equal zero as the post states. This means if you deplete the universe of energy and mass you have nothing, which is impossible because it is there and we are here. As I said, this was Einstein's dilemma and why he kept hunting for a "Unified Field" theory because he didn't believe God created the heavens and earth which was the only other explanation put forward and could not be proven except on faith and he would be branded a charlatan.

The only rational explanation for the universe is that it always was and since it is changing and moving there has to be a rational theory that explains what is happening. It is what I explain in the post, that at some time in the very distant future, energy, which I posit as another form of mass will actually reach a temperature equaling mass times the speed of light squared and an event will occur that will start the cycle over. The closest thing observable phenomenon is the cooling of a saturated liquid when the temperature drops and the dissolved contaminant begins to precipitate out of the liquid. The time frame is infinite, but what is infinity? It is the foundation of the big bang theory.

We have come to this point having most myths exposed but some haven't yet died because we have been so conditioned by them, the truth or alternative myths with still unexplained or should I say unaccepted truths make them hard to swallow.

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42.

42.

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I don't follow most of the

I don't follow most of the conclusions but as long as you are sure there are no gods or God, and there is no life on other planets, I'll just sigh in relief that you are on top of it.

or

Is this one of the repercussions of legalizing pot?

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The last paragraph of that

The last paragraph of that voluminous post is weird. So, we're a precipitate?

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No, the universe is and

No, the universe is and Darwin's theory of evolution begins again. Yes, it will include the dinosaurs and those who proceeded and followed them including us who will fade out before the 22nd century is upon us.

If you have ever been out west and have witnessed the fact that much of it was at one time under water you would have to conclude the earth was not always round nor were the other heavenly bodies we have observed over the past 5000 years. The time horizon for that to have happened is measured in light years, a time horizon beyond comprehension.

There are no climate deniers. Anyone with any scientific education knows you cannot deny the laws of thermodynamics. What you can deny is that man cannot have any significant impact on slowing or deterring its impact on the earth.

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Often incoherent here. The

Often incoherent here. The earth has been round (actual oblate spherical) since it formed. The sea being over the western deserts is an inverted view - those areas have RISEN significantly since forming under ancient oceans. The sea didn't fall, the land was pushed up.

Do we have here another variant? We have sphere-earthers and flat-earthers... are you somewhere in between?

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Deep end, anyone?

Deep end, anyone?

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Why do others follow him over

Why do others follow him over the end ?

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It's like driving by a train

It's like driving by a train wreck - must-----not------read-----but----can't stop........

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True butthe real letdown is

True but the real letdown is when one discovers the answer.

It is in the BOOK ! All verbal journys end there.

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Can't you all see that the

Can't you all see that the message between the lines of every one of these is a crying out for affirmation and validation? If not by elevating the author, then by denigrating the reader.

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The Progressives ability to

The Progressives ability to instantly sate your desire has clouded the actual passage of time. The laws of the thermodynamics stipulate that solids expand when heated and shrink when cooled. When they shrink they do not always shrink to the size they were before they were heated, the process is called creep and it is normally measured by hanging weights greater than that of the solid and measuring how much they stretch over time. The earth is shrinking at a slower rate because the insulation provided by the crust being created is increasing because the differential between the core and the surrounding atmosphere is slowing. It is a non linear process.

At the same time shrinkage is occurring you have the abrasive action on the land by the wind and the erosive action by the waves of the sea. This process is observable over a short time in the tumblers used by those who make artifacts of veined stones. Our impatience makes us unable to understand this process takes millions, if no billions, of years to occur. A much longer time than man or any living thing will inhabit the planet.

I have no monopoly on the truth and when I have discovered it I want to share it. There are those who benefit from the untruth and to retain that benefit do not wish others to know it. There is a saying, ignorance is bliss. The caveat is that the bliss is reserved for the less ignorant. They are the ones demeaning those who do and speak out. They are the ones preventing those of us who know the truth to share it by disrupting gatherings to disseminate it, either in auditoriums or on the streets.

The framer's of the Constitution cherished free speech that was intended to speak against the abuses of government, the King and the English Parliament where they were not represented. When they became government the first thing they did was pass the alien and sedition acts which punished those who spoke out against government. You now are experiencing what Paul Harvey used to call the rest of the story. Government has become the 51% and they are stifling speech in a number of ways, not the least of which is now violence in the streets by their minions.

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They sure as hell haven't

They sure as hell haven't stifled your speech.

Your right there is something wrong with government !

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There's never a dull moment

There's never a dull moment on AMG. Not sure why you're suffering from existential ennui, Bruce

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Because I am probably the

Because I am probably the original memeber here who realized there is no chance of winning any argument/discussion with pm...... !
Except his fact. Everybody is stupid or something,anything but correct in any criticism of him.

He is the all knowing and holder of the truth.

Note: I agreed with him above.

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Bruce: You are free to win

Bruce: You are free to win any debate with me when you can find fault with my position. All you and your compatriots have done is criticize my truths without challenging them with a truth of your own.

We are all ignorant in that we don't know everything because no one can. I am no exception. To be stupid one must know then ignore that knowledge in favor of one that more suits him. Or, he can just take on blind faith what others tell him. Progressives are the stupid ones who garner disciples by not allowing them to learn the truth, either in the schools or open debate because it is they who yield them the power to continue this charade.

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@pmconusa: we would love to

@pmconusa: we would love to argue with your position but it doesn't make any sense.

You take a balanced equation (E=mc^2) and you put two different terms on either side that aren't equal. That violates the basic rules of algebra.

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pmconusa.

pmconusa.
I have countless times acknowlegded no one can argue / debate with you, much less comeout on top of the discussion.
I do not try, I admit, because it is hopeless.

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Anonymous: It is balanced

Anonymous: It is balanced only if you agree that E = mc^2 is the same as E-mc^2 equals zero. Which is the point I made in the beginning of my argument. If you believe it is zero then it means there is nothing but we know there is something because we can see it and feel it. If you don't believe it is nothing there have to be additional factors at play and that is time and temperature. My thesis was that there was always something and its form is determined by what happens when the temperature of energy equals that of mass, that has been decaying over time? As I posited, the closest thing is when a saturated fluid (energy) reaches a point where the dissolved solid precipitates to its normal form at what we call room temperature. Another example is rain. It occurs in the atmosphere as a gas and as the temperature drops becomes a solid (clouds or ice) and when it increases again becomes rain and the cycle begins all over again and it all has to do with temperature.

Of course, if you believe in a God, then E - mc^2 = 0 could make sense, but then where did God come from?

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Bruce: I agree it is

Bruce: I agree it is hopeless unless you can come up with an alternate truth. So far you haven't but continue to say I am wrong. You can't have it both ways. You can because you deny the truth yet don't accept what it is.

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And that's all I want to say

And that's all I want to say about that.
- Edith Ann

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Evem w/out the verbal

Evem w/out the verbal raspberry that is worthy of a:
DRum Roll and Rimshot !

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E-mc^2 = 0 doesn't mean that

E-mc^2 = 0 doesn't mean that "there's nothing in the universe", it means that if you take the difference between the amount of energy a massive particle turns into when it gets completely converted to energy and the mass it has beforehand time c^2, you get zero.

Again, your interpretation literally makes no sense.

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It didn't make sense to

It didn't make sense to Einstein either, that is why he spent the last years of his life looking for a "Unified Field Theory" and never found it.

For something to equal something else they have to exist X - X = 0 but E - mc^2 cannot equal zero because there will always be something. Even when you add time and temperature to both sides of this equation it can never equal zero. The only plausible explanation is that at some moment in time, when the temperatures are nearly equal, something must happen to restart the cycle simply because there can never be nothing. The double negative.

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Yes, it does equal zero,

Yes, it does equal zero, because both terms are equal. That doesn't mean "nothing exists", you are applying your own mistaken interpretation on top of a regular equation.

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For them to be equal you must

For them to be equal you must adhere to the theory that God created everything from nothing. I would then ask you where did God come from? The answer is the mind of man. That is a myth sewn originally by the Egyptians, then the Hebrews then the Christians, all of whom number less than 20% of the earth's population. The remainder accept what is and move on.

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The equation has nothing to

The equation has nothing to do with God.

The only equation that has even remotely been discussed in the context of God is Euler's equation (was proposed as proof that God exists):
e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0

...as it includes nearly every mathematical constant (0, 1, e, i, and pi) and includes all the basic operations (addition, multiplication and exponentiation).

(Edit: it's worth noting that pi comes from geometry and e and i come from algebra which makes the equation even more auspicious.)

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It has everything to do with

It has everything to do with God or gods or "nature" because these two things cannot be equal without the explanation, something created the universe from nothing. This statement in itself is illogical, just like, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear".

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So if many can't "explain it,

So if many can't "explain it," it cannot be?

BTW, what is the universe contained in? Or is there a big wall at the outer edge, with nothing on the other side?

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