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Bill to End Same-Day Voter Registration

quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]U.S. Constitution: Twenty-Fourth Amendment Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[/b]

Doesn't this infer that voting is a right not a privilege?

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Bill to End Same-Day Voter Registration

Tuesday, January 18, 2005Bill seeks end to Election Day registrationBy PAUL CARRIER, Portland Press Herald WriterCopyright © 2005 Blethen Maine Newspapers Inc.

AUGUSTA — A state lawmaker wants Maine to scrap a 32-year-old law that allows voters to register on Election Day. But other lawmakers and election watchdog groups say the ban proposed by state Sen. Jonathan Courtney, R-Sanford, will be a hard sell in a state that traditionally has one of the highest voter turnouts in the country. Courtney submitted his bill because he said he believes it would strengthen the integrity of the election process if the state sets a voter-registration deadline about two days before each election. That way, he said, local officials will go into each election with a complete list of registered voters in their communities, avoiding the confusion that can occur when newcomers show up to register on Election Day.Courtney offered no evidence of fraud under the existing system. But he said setting an earlier deadline would simplify the election process without disenfranchising voters, because his proposed registration cutoff would still be close to the election itself. "It's a privilege to vote," Courtney said, and he said Mainers who want to exercise that privilege should have enough "personal responsibility" to sign up at least two days in advance

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I agree with Courtney 100 percent. The law is too liberal and can be abused easily, especially in college towns. If people are too damn lazy to register a few days before the elections, they don't deserve to vote.

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People who register the day of thye election probably don't have a clue which way to vote anyway.

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In Westbrook people have been allowed to register to vote based on having a prescription bottle that was filled in the last 24 hours. This was allowed because the address was correct.I have seen people try to vote using junk mail as proof of residence. A few years back the Federal Government passed a law requiring all states to have a centralized voter list. Why is it that Maine allowed its Secretary of State to seek and obtain a federal extension?I think that once the voter lists are under control, we will see a drastic political change here in Maine. Even the current AG has no interest in prosecuting the few people who were caugh double voting on election day. I think he claimed his office had more serious issues to deal with.When will it stop?Tony

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Tony, I lived in Westbrook for 5 years and I think you'll find that you need a drivers license or state ID along with the items you spoke of. You first have to show proof of your identity, then proof of your current address. The licence or ID isn't sufficient proof of current address because the voter could have moved recently and not changed the address on their ID.

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IndyGeek,I have observed these instances and many like them first hand. I have lived in Westbrook for 8 years and have run for City Council and State House. Because of my former membership and standing in the Republican Party I offer my assistance at the polls as a poll watcher.While I understand what you are saying, I can tell you stories that would make your head spin. I can site numerous incidents where people have left the polls and hopped into cars with NH plates. Ray Richardson confronted one such person this year and they ran to their car and speed off.The law also does not require the items that you claim are needed for registering to vote. How about the person that just moved into their home in Maine from away. They get utility bills and the like, but have not had time to change their licences. They have 30 days to do that.Tony

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Interesting Tony, I never knew there was that much corruption. I was just basing my response on my own experience regisering in Westbrook.

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I also heard stories of college students being bussed in and voting several times each.

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We had the pill bottle proof of address here too..

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Tony said

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I can site numerous incidents where people have left the polls and hopped into cars with NH plates. Ray Richardson confronted one such person this year and they ran to their car and speed off.

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While that may be a discussion for another thread, there are some Maine residents who register in NH for cost reasons.

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If they register thier car in NH, then they should be voting in NH.Or prosceuted in Maine for tax evansion.Steven Scharf
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That's funny....my pill bottles don't have my address on them. They have the address of the pharmacy, but so what. I could easily pick up Rx in a different town.I have a personal letter from the President of UM saying that anyone living in the dorms is a resident for voting purposes.

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Not only do I think this is a great idea, but I believe that at the time of voting we should have to present a driver's license or state ID to prove our citizenship.Tru

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quote:Originally posted by Melvin Udall:
[b]That's funny....my pill bottles don't have my address on them. They have the address of the pharmacy, but so what. I could easily pick up Rx in a different town.I have a personal letter from the President of UM saying that anyone living in the dorms is a resident for voting purposes.[/b]

It depends on what pharmacy you use. I use Rite Aid and my address IS on the label.

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Bad policy by the pharmacy. They might as well put your SS # on it.Steven Scharf
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quote:Originally posted by IndyGeek:
[b]It depends on what pharmacy you use. I use Rite Aid and my address IS on the label.[/b]

Does it also say "If stolen there is more at home. I am not home from 8-6 that would be a great time to kick my backdoor in"?

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quote:Originally posted by IndyGeek:
[b]People who register the day of thye election probably don't have a clue which way to vote anyway.[/b]

Maybe yes, maybe no... you could be right on some.However, a lot of my son's friends who were voting for the first time in November waited until election day to register, but they had discussed the issues and were aware of what was going on. Being 18, they are just procrastinators.Some older people are just procrastinators too... do we disenfranchise them because they didn't pre-register? Do we start policing procrastination along with seat belts????I sense a hair-pulling episode from Mark Cenci coming up............ ;)

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It is really a GREAT idea to eliminate same day voter registration! It would help BIG TIME with the integrity issue! It would also avoid lots of "hassle" at the polls on election days for all involved.Some people don't realize that they can't vote in a town unless they are actually a resident(living there)!(They may receive their mail at a post office box in one town,but actually be living in another town,etc. A post office box is NOT proof of residency.) We request a State of Maine Driver's License with a physical address or a utility bill with a physical address,etc. At the polls in our town we usually have at least one person,if not more, who "throws a fit" because he/she can't prove that they are actually a resident! It can become quite a problem! By eliminating same day registration,INTEGRITY would be restored! :)

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quote: I agree with Courtney 100 percent. The law is too liberal and can be abused easily, especially in college towns. If people are too damn lazy to register a few days before the elections, they don't deserve to vote.

Like here in Waterville.. Colby college is always deciding on local issues for us. Its really unfair.

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quote:Originally posted by Steven Scharf:
[b]If they register thier car in NH, then they should be voting in NH.Or prosceuted in Maine for tax evansion.Steven Scharf
SCSMedia@aol.com[ 01-18-2005: Message edited by: Steven Scharf ][/b]

They should be but noone wants to have police chasing down the perps. I used to see a MB every day get on I95 in Kittery and head for Boston. I went on 495 and he continued toward Boston.

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This is a great bill. It stands no chance, however. But I thank Senator Courtney for submitting it and raising the issue.In Maine, a highway underpass is considered a good voting address. No ****!

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Bob, where was that address accepted and verified, with the person allowed to vote? Seriously?Did they perchance bring in a photo of said overpass, or a chunk of concrete?

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A national voter database will also be very helpful. I wonder how many college students got two votes this past November? One was too many.

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Naran...It is specifically written into the voting statutes. If I hadn't seen it for myself, I wouldn't have believed it!Bob

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6. Persons without homes. A person may have a nontraditional residence,
including, but not limited to, a shelter, park, or underpass. A person’s residency is not subject to
challenge on the sole basis that the person has a nontraditional residence. [§ 112(15)].

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Good Lord... there is no hope. But at least it says "underpass," not just "culvert" or "drainage ditch." I suppose we should be grateful.Actually, the national voter registration idea would tie in quite handily to the new national driver's license/ID.

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In Portland, These are not actauly used for voting. The folks are registered at 5 Portland Street, which is the Preble Street Resource Center. It puts people who may actually reside throughout the city to register in one specific house district. The voter roles has some old addresses at 389 Congress Street, which is city hall. Others list the shelter on Oxford Street. All of them in the same house, senate and council district.Steven Scharf
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This is a great law but as Bob said it won't pass. We should also remove the voting privilege from the convicted felon ranks that reside in our prisons. We again are one of very few places where prisoners get to vote, and that privilege, should be removed once proven guilty.

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I have talked with many town clerks regarding same day registration. They said that follow up post cards are mailed to the addresses provided and most (>50%) will come back as undeliverable. Remember how many races have been won/lost by only a few votes in the last two cycles? This bill could make an impact on illegal voting and possibly change some future elections.

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Voting shouldn't be any more a "privlage" than free speach and the right to bear arms.

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