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Blood for oil.....Bush lied.....

I dont believe either of those two sentences nor have I been shown proof of either.Am I a blind follower marching in lockstep with this Administration?I am wicked pissed at this immigration thing,and disagre with the President on this one issue for sure.So I think not.So....if it wasnt to protect Americians,Why did we go to war?

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Footprint in the middle east?
Easiest target?(Though maybe it isn't turning out to be)
We're talkin' bout guys who look at the big picture.
Hmmm...
Could be, Big...

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[quote="BothGuns"]So....if it wasnt to protect Americians,Why did we go to war?[/quote]

It's oil. [url=http://www.iags.org/futureofoil.html]Five countries[/url] in the middle east have 2/3 of proved conventional oil reserves. Do you think we'd be there if all they had was sand?

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I'm not sure what motivated Bush...

to attack Iraq, but the justifications given for doing so were, and are, certainly questionable.

I wonder if he got pushed around as a kid, and...!

How many dead now to prove his manhood?

charlie

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We know that Carter blew it when he didn't support the Shah of Iran and we lost that ally in the Middle East. It makes sense to have supporters there. I question this cost to our National Guard whose intent is to guard our nation. Seems to me that we went into this unprepared, but how much of a standing army do we really have? I'd like to know that.
I ask myself the same questions as you. Why has this President ignored the Mexican immigration problem for so long and now finally addresses it after we are on the verge on revolt? Doesn't make sense to me. I think Bud may have a point in that W and his predecessors are manipulated by a more powerful group than the US government. Scary, but so much points to it.
I can get lost in the information published by "conspiracy theorists" since they make a lot of sense when looking at the big picture and the evidence of events.

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Re: I'm not sure what motivated Bush...

[quote="charlie neville"]to attack Iraq, but the justifications given for doing so were, and are, certainly questionable.

I wonder if he got pushed around as a kid, and...!

How many dead now to prove his manhood?

charlie[/quote]

im quite sure you have no idea what country supples the usa with the most oil do you?
no you dont..........................and second isnt even in the middleeast..............hug a tree...........

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Re: I'm not sure what motivated Bush...

[quote="realrepublican"]...........and second isnt even in the middleeast...........[/quote]

You sure 'bout that?

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very sure

i know my facts.....................anyone here know whos number one and two?

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# 1 Canada
# 2 Saudi Arabia
# 3 Mexico
# 4 Venezuela

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Re: I'm not sure what motivated Bush...

[quote="Virgil Kane"][quote="realrepublican"]...........and second isnt even in the middleeast...........[/quote]

You sure 'bout that?[/quote]

Imports from top five countries from greatest to least.... Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, and Nigeria. But, Canada and Mexico don't have much in the way of conventional oil reserves so that's not going to go on forever. Iraq, on the other hand, has the second largest conventional reserves behind Saudi Arabia.

Since Virgil posted the above (which is wrong), for anyone that's interested, you can check out the latest figures [url=http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_m... Saudi Arabia an Venezuela go back and forth for third place.

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Country,
Do you have a source for your list? My info is as of 2003. When did Mexico and Venezuela beat out the Saudis?

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See above edit.

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I actually found new info for 2005:

Looks like Mexico is #2, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria are tied at #3, with Venezuela rounding out the top 5.

[img]http://www.gravmag.com/oilimports05.jpg[/img]

[url=http://www.gravmag.com/oilimports05.jpg]link[/url]

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Soooo....it was for oil...when can I expect to pay 35 cents a gallon for Regular?

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[quote="Virgil Kane"]I actually found new info for 2005:

Looks like Mexico is #2, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria are tied at #3, with Venezuela rounding out the top 5.

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Virgil, Whoever did that is wrong. The map says the data is from the EIA, but it's clearly at odds with EIA figures which you can find [url=http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_move_impcus_a2_nus_ep00_im0_mbbl_a... Same page as my link above only with annual rather than monthly figures. Mexico passed the Saudi's in 2004.

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[quote="BothGuns"]Soooo....it was for oil...when can I expect to pay 35 cents a gallon for Regular?[/quote]

That's kinda like that sign outside a bar heading into Key West that says, "Free Beer Tomorrow."

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Oil is (generally) a fungible commodity. There is a world market for oil. Where the oil that actually comes to this country comes from is irrelevant.

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Yes Country, I noticed that, too. The map I cited also sources the EIA for its data, but it's labeled Nov. '05-- so that may just be a map for imports for that month and not the year. (I got to that map from this cite: [url=http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html]link[/url], which belongs to an geoligic consulting outfit.)
Either way, it seems as though, if you look at the Middle East in its entirety, it is the largest source of imported US oil.

Canada is at 18%
But if you add up Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait, that puts the Middle East at 19%

So, getting back to realrepublican's point, although the top two sources-- of oil imports are not middle east countries, if you look at that region of the planet as a whole, it is our largest source of imported oil.

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Mr. Billings once again enters an area beyond his expertise trying to sound like he knows something more than the rest of us.

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And Mr. Hide His Identity takes a cheap shot when he has no comeback.

If a major supplier of oil in the world that does not ship much here gets disrupted, our prices and supply is still going to be affected.

If a major new supply of oil came into the world marketplace, the prices we pay will go down.

Even if all our oil came from this hemisphere, what goes on in the Middle East would impact us.

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No comment Dan. You've pulled that one before. Go back to politics, something you know about.

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If it was for oil, they've sure made a mess of it. It appears no matter what government dubbya puts in place it is not going to reflect the nature of the tribal history and culture, which in the long run will prevail.
Think they'll allow American domination of their only important limited natural resource?

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Pacifism

Absolutely amazing! The arguments always made by the pacifists in order to avoid going to war have always been astounding to me.

Recently, a buddy in the American Legion sent me some photos of the devastation caused by the Japanese attack on Pearly Harbor. I remember the effect that that attack had on the American people. Americans everywhere were furious. The pacifists, and there were many of them on December 6th, disappeared. 2.400 American servicemen, mostly Navy, were killed on that day.

This September, we will mark the fifth anniversary of the attack which should have awakened the American people to the danger of the Islamic terrorists. Previous attacks had not accomplished this. Over 3,000 inncoent civilians were incinerated or crushed, or both, in the Twin Towers, and many others died in the Pentagon and in a field in Pennsylvania.

But the pacifists want us all to believe that the President went to war in Iraq in order to maintain a source of oil, and from this it follows that the rich get richer.

I wonder what these people would have said had we not gone to war, and had Saddam Hussein developed nuclear weapons and supplied same to Usama Bin Laden, who in turn had found some nut to smuggle a bomb or two into the country, with the result that hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were incinerated? How would you who are critical of this President explain an attack upon an elementary school in which a hundred or so children were machinegunned down?

Why certainly, you could join the jerks who blame Bush for everything from hurricanes to hangnails.

The establishment of a gov't in Iraq, which is chosen by citizens - an anomaly in the Middle East - could possibly provide an example for other backward nations, nations dominated by religious fanatics intent upon destroying us, to reject terror and move into the 21st century from the 7th century A.D. where they presently are.

Will, for example, a democratic gov't in Iraq have an effect upon the people of Iran?

Jack Wibby

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The naysayers carp that it is for oil, the engaged recognized that is for the continued encouragement of freedom through democracy. The truth is, it's both. We would not give a rats crap about the Middle East, except that it remains in our national interest to encourage a stable, reliable and continued supply of oil while concurrently directly confronting the scourge of terrorism by encouraging the freedoms & liberties that only democracy can and will provide.

[quote]"Iraqi leaders are coming to grips with an important truth: The only practical way to overcome the divisions of three decades of tyranny is through democracy. Democracy is the only form of government where every person has a say in the governance of a country. It's the only form of government that will yield to a peaceful Middle East. So Iraqis are working to overcome past divisions and build a free society that protects the rights of all its citizens. They're undertaking this progress with just a year's experience in democratic politics."

-- President George W. Bush
March 29, 2006[/quote]

The timetable? Generations. I for one advocate a FIFO withdrawal strategy from the remain theaters of operation. First Europe, lets end WW II. Then Korea, that war remains at a stagnant stalemate. Then Iraq.

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Ladies and gentle men, I would suggest you follow the MONEY. Who are the two major oil company owners in the world? The Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. Who were the two major profit makers in WW1, WW2. korea, Vietnam and both gulf wars? Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Who refueled nazi subs in WW2? Rockefeller and Rothschild oil companies. Who supplied both sides with oil in Korea and Vietnam?
Rockefeller and Rothschilds. Who financed both sides in all six wars? Rockefeller and Rothschild and the other ten central bankers. Wake up people. Follow the money. It leads directly to the worlds central bankers who also own most of the munition factories. Our leaders are nothing more than puppets dancing on the strings of the world elite. Who built the biggest truck plant in the world, in Russia? The world elite, mostly with Amerriican money.
Who are the world elite? Make a wild guess.
Bud

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America has a keen interest in the Middle East because a stable middle east in the longterm is good for all concerned. Plus our allies benefit from having a stable middle east such as Turkey and Israel.

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How much oil is now being pumped and shipped from Iraq?
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[quote="landry"]How much oil is now being pumped and shipped from Iraq?
Bud[/quote]

About 550,000 bbls/day. If it all came here that would be less than 3% of our consumption.

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"Bush lied"..... NO HE DIDN'T

"Bush lied"..... NO HE DIDN'T

New York Times Bombshell: Chemical Weapons Were Found in Iraq — But the Public Never Knew Until Now
Oct. 14, 2014 10:58pm Oliver Darcy

Chemical weapons were found by U.S. forces in Iraq, but the Pentagon kept the findings a secret, the New York Times reported Tuesday evening.

According to the Times, from 2004 to 2011 American troops repeatedly encountered chemical munitions in the Middle Eastern country. In at least six cases, coalition forces were even wounded by the weapons from the Saddam Hussein era, the Times reported.

Drawing upon interviews and intelligence documents, the Times concluded that U.S. forces reported finding approximately 5,000 chemical warheads in the war-torn country.

The American government, however, chose to not disclose the information to the public and even kept Congress only partly informed, according to the Times.

Chemical weapons were found during the Iraq War but the public never knew about it.
Until now: http://t.co/tTDLmHqjps http://t.co/HkigTxIgGb

“’Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say,” said Jarrod Lampier, a now-retired Army major who was present when forces found 2,400 nerve agent rockets in 2006 — the largest chemical weapons discovery of the war.

“’Nothing of significance’ is what I was ordered to say.”

Another soldier, Jarrod L. Taylor, who witnessed the destruction of mustard shells, joked of “wounds that never happened” from “that stuff that didn’t exist,” the Times reported.

According to the Times, the finding of the chemical weapons still didn’t support President George W. Bush’s rationale for war because he contended Hussein was concealing an active chemical weapons program. Instead, U.S. forces discovered munitions that had been manufactured before 1991, possibly leading the government to not disclose the findings.

“They needed something to say that after Sept. 11 Saddam used chemical rounds,” Lampier said. “And all of this was from the pre-1991 era.”

Others told the Times that the U.S. may have hidden the findings because five of the six incidents in which coalition forces were wounded by chemical weapons involved munitions designed by the U.S.

Rear Admiral John Kirby declined to comment to the Times on their report, but said that a review had been launched to ensure military members were provided proper medical care.

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