Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout masters?

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wv_republican
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Boy Scouts to accept homosexual scout masters?

Boy Scouts of America is discussing ending a longstanding ban on gay members and whether to allow local organizations to decide their own policy, a spokesman said on Monday.

Lifting the ban would mark a dramatic reversal for the 103-year-old organization, which only last summer reaffirmed its policy amid heavy criticism from gay rights groups and some parents of scouts.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/28/us-usa-boyscouts-gays-idUSBRE9...

What the hell is going on over there? I was looking forward to having my sons join the Boy Scouts and now I'd have to worry about their troop joining up with other troops that will likely have homosexual scoutmasters? The Boy Scouts just released 5,000+ confidential detailed accounts of male leaders, defined by the Boy Scouts as "homosexuals" being kicked out "on suspicion of sexual abuse" during camping trips???

http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/la-times-releases-1000s-files-documen...

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My daugher came home with a

My daugher came home with a form for girl scouts and she asked about wanting to join. We sat down and had the religious reasons as to why she was not going to join. All she could say was "eww, how can two men or two women want to be like that" ... I would not want to join a group that allows that kind of behavior.

I know we all hear about what goes on in the church, but there is a difference when the parents are also involved in the church's youth program and not just dropping them off and leaving them. It pays to be involved.

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charlotte
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PMR I am confused...How did

PMR I am confused...How did the discussion on sexuality come up? I was involved in the Girl Scouts...and I never had to know if my troop leader was gay or straight. What if your daughter has a lesbian leader? How does that make her any less qualified to lead? Do you believe that if that leader is lesbian...that she has a higher chance of abusing the girls in her care?

M.D. Harmon
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No, Charotte: When we take

No, Charotte: When we take our children to groups such as these, it is not only for the instruction, but with the idea that we can tell our children that they should look up to and imitate the leaders. That is not possible in such a case.

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"All I Really Need to Know

"All I Really Need to Know About Being a Lesbian I Learned at Girl Scout Camp," and various stories of "butch" counselors who "wore men's clothes and had slicked back short hair," is testimony to the prevalence of lesbians in Girl Scouting. One writer remembers: "By the time I was a junior counselor, Mic was assistant camp director and her gruff, deep-voiced directives no longer scared me. I didn't know that most of the counselors were lesbians." Others remember how sleepovers and camping trips were opportunities for same-sex sexual experimentation. Girl Scout staffers writing in the book claim that roughly one in three of the Girl Scouts' paid professional staff is lesbian.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/691268/posts

Article originally published in The National Review.

Bob S
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but with the idea that we can

but with the idea that we can tell our children that they should look up to and imitate the leaders.

Homosexuals cannot reproduce so they need to recruit. What better venue than young impressionable scouts? ;-)

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For the above three posts,

For the above three posts, thank you. I have been at a meeting tonight and could not respond immediately. I now see there is no need as you all seem to have said some of what I would have said.

wv_republican
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Excellent article. Liberals

Excellent article. Liberals either want to subsume the Boy Scouts into their philosophy or destroy it.

The timing of this exercise in political correctness is also odd. The Scouts just won a major legal victory in San Diego, where the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals reversed a federal district judge's 2003 decision to evict them from their camp in Balboa Park in a lawsuit brought by the ACLU on behalf of a lesbian couple and an agnostic couple. Last year, the Scouts released a two-year study concluding that their current leadership and membership policy is the correct one.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/01/28/boy-scouts-gay-members/...

After getting over the shock of this inane and destructive move....I have two questions.

1)The BSA has won many lawsuits against liberals trying to force their adgenda of perversion on them and very recently affirmed after a "two year study" that their policy is the correct one. Why the sudden and profound change of policy, to be decided within the next month? Are they trying to avoid the tsunami of backlash that is going to land on the national leadership?

2) Has there been a change in national leadership that is trying to quickly shove this down the throat of the BSA?

charlotte
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MD, so you don't support any

MD, so you don't support any gay or lesbian individual in any leadership position where they might be a role model for kids? What are you afraid of? Seems like men tend to abuse kids much more then women...right?

Bob are you kidding? Most gays and lesbians have heterosexual parents who didn't support their sexuality. Who recruited them?

PMR, no...I'd like your opinion. Thanks.

Bob S
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Who recruited them?

Who recruited them?

Homosexuals.

pmrmsm
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I don't want my daughter

I don't want my daughter having the gay agenda being told to her that this is okay after we have told her that it is not. You may disagree with mine and my wife's view Charlotte, but this is our view. This is also the view of our church. You will never find a gay marriage performed in it nor will you find a gay person attending there as we are very up front on our views on the subject. We are an ultra conservative church who has no problem letting people know exactly where we stand on the issues. Most people find our views too strict for them to handle. There was a time when I used to get involved with every single hot botton political issue including this one. But I found I would get so worked up and passionate about my views that I would actually get stressed out. So I eventually found that I needed to just back out of some of these issues and topics and just concentrate on doing the right thing and that is working in my community and raising my kids with the same views I have. Today that was evident with the reaction from my daughter when telling her about one of the policies that allowes gay people to work in scouts and not our youth group. Our youth group will teach our kids about God and what direction they should go and what is acceptable behavior and is expected of them. With scouts, that is not the case as gays are allowed to be leaders and role models for our kids and this is a bad idea as there are some things going on where the parents can't be at every activity that takes place away from the home area and can't see what is going on. With our youth group, there are no camp outs or over nights. There are other activities, that we do that include the entire family as most of our activities are family based...not kid / leader based.

Bob S
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Stand your ground pmrmsm. You

Stand your ground pmrmsm. You are not alone.

Cuz
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Sent the Boy Scouts a note

Sent the Boy Scouts a note advising against such a change in policy at their site:
http://www.scouting.org/ContactUs.aspx

and recommended they not abandon the policies that have served the organization reasonably well to date. Would recommend to others that if you have a strong opinion on the matter that you let the Boy Scouts know what that is, in respectable terms, at the above link.

Ken Tudor
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bob emrich
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Done. Thank you, Ken.

Done.
Thank you, Ken.

johnw
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Ah what's next ,allowing gay

Ah what's next ,allowing gay girls to join the boy scouts and gay boys to join the girl scouts? In the words of Ray Davies.."boys will be girls and girls will be boys, it's a mixed up muddled up shook up world (except for Lola)"
The gay agenda is to leave no stone unturned in their quest/demand for being completely embraced in every aspect of American culture.It's a conundrum. If parents decide to withdraw or not allow their children to join the Scouts eventually the Scouts fade into obscurity or disappears. If they do remain under the new rules they have given their tacit approval to the gay agenda....a sad end to an American tradition.

wv_republican
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Quote from above: "Who

Quote from above: "Who recruited them?"

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/grooming-kids-in-a-gay-identity/

Now the Boy Scouts will become a sanctioned "grooming" ground for homosexual predators, just like happened with the girl scouts. 5,000+ documented cases with narriatives when it was prohibited. Read the documents before you object. How many will it be now?.....

Calvin
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Leaders are teachers and no

Leaders are teachers and no matter what the subject of my learning was, at some point the moral value of the teacher naturally comes into play. My moral, ethical, religious values are a product of EVERY teacher/leader I ever had.
So parents not only have a right to be picky who teachers their child, it is their duty to be prejudice agianst those elliments that they abhore. I think they call it the right to choose

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Excellent suggestion, Cuz.

Excellent suggestion, Cuz. Took your advice and acted upon it. As an Eagle scout, the brother of an Eagle scout and the father of an Eagle scout; and as a former scoutmaster, I encourage the Boy Scouts of America to stay the course that has made scouting the outstanding youth organization it has become over the past 100 plus years in America.

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As an 80 year old couple who

As an 80 year old couple who have been happily married for 55 years and who have given to the Boy Scouts since the United Way cut them off for their stand we will now shut off that avenue as well. I think the BSA are dead wrong. We must be in the end times as society in general is becoming so evil the last days must be closer to fulfillment.

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I wonder if they will come up

I wonder if they will come up with a new merit badge, for homosexual studies or worse

charlotte
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Bob S...any facts to back up

Bob S...any facts to back up your outlandish theory?

PMR how does the "gay agenda" come up during Girl Scouts? As for your religious beliefs, I support your right to have them. What I don't understand is how you can ban gay and lesbian members from your church and still believe you are following the teachings of Christ? Gay folks are sinners as are you...right? You are allowed to attend but they are not? It is my belief that it is wrong to judge a whole group of people with dislike or hatred. That is the definition of bigotry. I think bigotry is wrong. Teaching our children bigotry is offensive to me...That said, it is still your right as a parent.

John, so there are no heterosexuals against the current Boy Scouts anti-gay policy? The Scouts are considering this change of policy because mainstream Americans to not agree with it.

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"Mainstream Americans" do not

"Mainstream Americans" do not support the Constitution either, Charlotte, including numerous elected officials who took and oath to preserve, protect, and defend it. Please apply your 'rational thought process' to this situation.

Come to think of it, I don't support paying taxes to corrupt governments and their hacks and lackies. Guess I'll just stop doing it.

johnw
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charolette is that

charolette is that mainstream as defined by the leftleaning pro-gay media? If so it has zero cerdibility...

Apollo
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Gay scoutmasters = pedophile

Gay scoutmasters = pedophile scoutmasters.

Ryan McCabe
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Simple solution to a simple

Simple solution to a simple problem.

If you object to this, then don't let your kid participate. Form your own scouting group and you can write your own rules. Until such time as you get off your butt and do so, let the people who run the Boy Scouts make their own minds up and you can choose how you respond accordingly.

It isn't up to you what they do, agree with it or not, you can only choose whether or not you participate. The real way to prevent this is to not participate after they allow it, and then you can succeed at taking away an enjoyable experience for your child with a likely straight scout leader, because you think gay people will somehow will cause your child to be gay.

Do you hear yourselves? For one, if you don't think it is genetic, fine, I am not here to have that argument. But let's assume it isn't. If a gay scout leader imposes so much on your child that it causes your child to be gay, what does that say about your parenting if another adult has such a huge impact on your child that it changes their sexuality? Seriously? I think maybe we need to take a step back and remember that surrounding our children with good people is ultimately what makes them good people. It makes me sick that some of you think homosexuality somehow makes a person EVIL.

Again, another example of why we lose elections as the GOP. Get over the gay issue and maybe we could start to have some real discussions about policy and the economy.

Islander
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No offense but did we learn

No offense but did we learn nothing from the Catholic Church, Sandusky...

Dale Tudor
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Ryan, the "real way to

Ryan, the "real way to prevent this" is to prevent it, not to grouse about it afterwards. Some things do not need to change. Some things were correct when orginally organized or written. Such as the Bible. And the Boy Scouts of America. You are welcome to disagree...but that won't alter the incorrectness of your view.

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The question isn't should

The question isn't should someone force the Boy Scouts to admit gay leaders. The question is SHOULD the BOY SCOUTS admit gay leaders. Very different scenarios. If the leaders of the Boy Scouts decide they should, then how is it you can say they are wrong? They run the show.

And Dale Tudor, simply restating your position does not move the debate or the discussion forward. Would you care to address any of my questions regarding my position on this? I will ask them again for you.

Are we that self conscience as parents that we think a gay person can turn our children gay?

And to the person who compared this to the Catholic Church and Sandusky.....seriously? So now I suppose gay people shouldn't coach their kid's tball team or basketball team? I suppose you think gay people shouldn't be teachers too? Where does it end? Heck, why don't you just have them drink out of different water fountains and do their laundry at different laundromats. This way your kids and you won't catch their gay "cooties".

This conversation is absolutely ridiculous to be having in 2013.

Paul Barrieau
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I don't believe that the

I don't believe that the direction the BSA is taking has anything to do with anything else but the $

They want to stay out of court, which is where they will spend the rest of their lives if they don't do something like this.

Paul B

Eagle Scout

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My thoughts align closer to

My thoughts align closer to those of Ryan and I'm also an Eagle Scout.

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