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BREAKING DEVELOPMENT Emotional Film Targets Maine Gun Laws

Film documents woman's tragedy, efforts to change gun law
By Clarke Canfield, January 5, 2007

PORTLAND, Maine --Catherine Crowley tried to change a state gun law after her 18-year-old son killed himself with a shotgun he bought at a Wal-Mart.

Her endeavor fell short when lawmakers rejected her idea to require a waiting period for young people to buy guns in Maine. But her effort can now be seen in a new documentary.

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/01/05/film_document...

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This is just another case of nipping around the edges until guns are completely banned. I am truly sorry for this mother but she must realize that her sons suicide was his act, not that of the gun. Making it harder to obtain guns will not stop suicides. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but they are a society without guns. Go figure.

She is being used by the antis to further their anti gun agendas and doesn't even know it. The gunwas merely the tool her son used to complete his mission. There are dozens of ways he could have accomplished what he wanted. Perhaps she feels guilty for not recognizing his mental and emotional problems and is using this documentary to lessen the pain.

It is a feel good film that soothes the guilt and anger of the liberals while trampling on the rights of those Americans who know and understand that each of us is responsible for our own lives and no amount of laws will substitute for common sense and responsibility to family and self.

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Saw a counselor a while back...

when I was going through a hard time. He asked me once if I ever thought of suicide, and I said I did. He then said I should get rid of all the guns in my house. I asked him if I should get rid of the plastic bags, the steak knives, disconnect the electricity and gas, and so on, and he laughed.

A gun is one way, not mine, there are many others. Avaliable to us all!

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Blame the tools not the fools.

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Dash,

Of all the "trippingly off the tongue" phrases, THAT is a good one!

Australia has even tougher gun ownership laws than Canada. After their controls went into force, the rate of homicide by gunshot in New South Wales went up 44%. "Nobody" had any guns - legally, that is - but an awful lot of people got shot. Unless you have a completely totalitarian regime such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and the like, gun controls DO NOT WORK.

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Why should we credit the efforts of a disfunctional woman who no doubt drove her child to commit suicide, then inadequately supervised him?

Is my speculation above a bit over the top? Well, I can tell you one thing. "Mom" was at the sharp end of her son's development for years. I, as a law abiding gun owner, was in no position to interfere, advise, or otherwise affect the course of that sad domestic train wreck. She is presumptively much more to blame than wal-Mart. I expect she knows it, and cannot deal with it.

PS: As many older Bangorites know, Bangor High School used to have a MANDATORY guns in schools policy (Junior ROTC). We ALL turned out better than this lady's son. Perhaps he'd still be alive if he'd had the guidance of Sgt. First Class Kuck (ret.) -- instead of her.

PS: We'd likely do better with a mandatory waiting period for possession of a child by one who considers an eighteen - year - old "her baby", and presumably treated him consistently.

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John(?),

This is the sort of emotional yet not reliable material upon which the radical fringe thrive. Constant vigil is the only recourse.

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pmh:

More than vigilance is needed. We should put blame squarely where it is due - on her, if anywhere.

I'm just a bit puzzled why the "push back" wasn't a bit more public. One doesn't need to call her a miserable crazy _____ to make the points that need to be made.

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I am not anti-gun..but I support a 24 hour waiting period before buying any firearm.

Wondering: How many have seen the film?
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Accountability lies at the feet of the parents for their child's behavior[/color]...[color=blue]but 100% responsibility lies at the feet of the child.[/color]

Name-calling is all about the person who is doing it and [i]their[/i] history..it has nothing to do with the person being verbally attacked. It is neither edifying nor productive to this discussion.
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Like Charlie said, a gun is only one way and many more are available. I heard this woman on Maine Public Radio last night and, while I feel sorry for what she's gone through, there's more to her son's suicide than the availabilty of guns. Susie's son hung himself. Are we going to have a waiting period for buying rope, or should we just ban it?

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Loss of rights will be on the installment plan. First they will outlaw knots... then rope will be obsolete.
Stock up on ammo while you can.

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Guns are made to kill things..not ropes or plastic bags.

I'm not anti-gun..I support a 24 hour waiting period.

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Guns should be more accessible than abortions.

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Don't know of any clinic that has same-day over the counter abortions. But you try to deflect the issue.

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[url=http://www.gunowners.org/wv39.htm]Waiting For Gun Permit Can Be Deadly[/url] by Bernadette Malone

"Never did I expect to wind up living alone, in a new area, with a violent acquaintance threatening me because of some perceived offense. Never did I expect to ever need to carry my handgun to and from work in case that man tracked me down and physically threatened me.

'You should just call us if anything happens,' the police officer who took my phone call responded.

I couldn't believe it. I should fumble with my cell phone, pray I get a strong enough signal, and report the incident to the police as I was being attacked? Even if the police showed up one minute later, how long does it really take to assault a woman?

Of course I had a legal right to apply for a concealed carry permit, he said. But there was a two-week waiting period. Two weeks -- or even two days -- is an insane amount of time to wait for a permit when someone wants to harm you."

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[url=http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=1645]THE PITFALLS OF WAITING PERIODS[/url]

"Aside from the fact that waiting periods put one’s rights on hold, forcing citizens to wait for government approval before exercising a God-given Constitutionally protected right, there are other problems with the so-called cooling off periods.

We are told that waiting periods will prevent crimes of passion, yet we are not told that those same waiting periods can threaten honest people’s safety. Furthermore, there are still questions about the benefits of waiting periods. In an Op-Ed article written for CBS News, Dr. John Lott, Jr., author of More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws, states,

'I have found, in the only research done on this question, that the Brady Law’s national waiting periods had no impact on murder or robbery, but slightly increased rape and aggravated assault rates by a few percent. Thus, for two crime categories, the major effect was to delay law-abiding citizens from getting a gun for protection. The risks were greatest for crimes against women.'"

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Are we talking about the purchase of firearms or the waiting period prior to puchase of firearms? As I recall, in the unfortunate situation that gave rise to this thread, there was no specified interval before the youngster took his own life. It's too easy for one concept to slide into another without sound basis. These are serious areas of inquiry, but if slipshod potshots can defelect or derail them, they're basically doomed to the infinitely-growing eletromagnetic nothingness.

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I do not find a 24 hour waiting period an infringment on ones "rights". It is a common sense way to do background checks and complete registrations.

Anybody who feels their life is in imminent danger, needs to go to the police. And I'm pretty sure any danger of that magnitude was a long time in developing...plenty of time to seek and acquire a firearm for self-defense.

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Gun registration is an affront to the constitution and the intention of the 2nd amendment.

The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to allow the citizens to protect themselves from an oppressive government. If the government knows where all the guns are, what's the point of having the 2nd amendment in the 1st place?

If someone wants to kill themselves, and they can't get a gun, they will find another way to do it. There is no reason for a 24 hour waiting period to buy a gun. It's an infringement on an individual's 2nd amendment rights, and an infringement on an individual's [i]right to choose[/i] their form of self-protection.

KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF MY 2ND AMENDMENT!

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So go ahead and enact a 24-hour, one-week or 30-day waiting period.

If I'm in the market for a firearm, I'll just pick up my weekly issue of Uncle Henry's and find all the weapons I want.

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[quote="apondsong"]I do not find a 24 hour waiting period an infringment on ones "rights". It is a common sense way to do background checks and complete registrations.

Anybody who feels their life is in imminent danger, needs to go to the police. And I'm pretty sure any danger of that magnitude was a long time in developing...plenty of time to seek and acquire a firearm for self-defense.[/quote]

Now that I think about it, why not a 24hr waiting period on all purchases? Maybe that would have kept from me buying this gas guzzling truck if i had time to think about it. But I digress......
I'm appalled by your thinking APondSong, many victims of domestic violence went to the police and are no longer with us.
If they had a firearm and knew how to use it maybe they would still be here. Making them or anyone else wait 24hrs is ludicris and does nothing but make feel-gooders like yourself feel good. Complete registrations? Why? So the gov't can come and take them away from us if it feels necessary? You already have your background checks. That's all your gonna get.

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The whole linking of guns to violence is stupid and a mistake. If someone is hell bent on hurting you they are going to do it with whatever means is at hand including their hand. Murder and Domestic Violence have been around a lot longer than firearms.

[quote]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed[/quote]

I think that most if not all of the gun laws on the books are unconstitutional. Please find me the ifs ands or buts in the above...

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pondy, why do you want a 24 hour waiting period? To keep suicidal or angry people from making quick decisions?

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[quote="pmh"]

Australia has even tougher gun ownership laws than Canada. After their controls went into force, the rate of homicide by gunshot in New South Wales went up 44%. "Nobody" had any guns - legally, that is - but an awful lot of people got shot. Unless you have a completely totalitarian regime such as Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and the like, gun controls DO NOT WORK.[/quote]

Right on the money. I am now a resident of Mass, the most anti-2nd Amendment state in the nation. The City of Springfield welcomed in the new year with an early morning shootout at a fast-food joint leaving one person dead. The "amusing" fact isn't that the killer had an unlicensed gun, but that [i]there were several people involved in the shootout, each had a criminal record, and each was packing and willing to shoot![/i]. Mass carries serious penalties for carrying a gun, but the reality is that criminals usually get any fire-arm charges dropped in the first round of plea bargaining. The criminals know it and they are not concerned in the least with carrying.

But being a law abiding gun owner in the commonwealth is far more difficult. Not only must you be licesned to own a pistol, the pistol you own is specifically identified on your license. Even better, it's also verbotten to have the pistol loaded in any place other than a firing range - - yes, it's illegal to have a loaded gun even in your own home!

Don't ignore challenges to your constitutional rights - there really are people just itching to take them away from you.

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[quote="apondsong"]I do not find a 24 hour waiting period an infringment on ones "rights". It is a common sense way to do background checks and complete registrations. [/quote]

There is no need for a waiting period to complete a background check with today's computer databases.

What other rights are you willing to impose waiting periods on? Abortion? Free speech? Sex?

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Interesting detail that I just picked up on...

apondsong put rights in quotes, as though to suggest that apondsong doesn't necessarily believe that owning a firearm is a right!!!

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Knuck: Yes...that is exactly why.

I apologize about the registration deal. Didn't know guns don't have to be registered, and I really don't think they need to be either. Background checks are good enough, if they are done throughly.

Catherine: Sorry for the quotation marks on the "rights" word. I simply feel that there are rights all humanbeings should have under the Constitution & Bill of Rights that are denied daily. I absolutely believe that as an upstanding citizen of the United States...we have the right to possess arms...the kind for killing as well as hugging.. :wink:

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Swampy: You call me "feel gooder"....why? Just because I believe that a number of crimes of passion and suicides can be avoided by a 24 hr. waiting period ?

I don't know how a person can call themselves pro-life and not be supportive of this simple and pretty unobtrusive saftey measure. But..that's ok. I realize that many think their guns are going to be taken away from them by the government...or whatever. That would be horrible...for sure. I just think it is too much of a streatch, equating this measure with rabid gun-control.

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A Pond Song, a 24hr waiting period does nothing to prevent the problem you speak of. But, it sounds good and makes you feel good. That's why I called you a feel-gooder. (as apposed to a do-gooder :wink: )

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Of COURSE you can be pro-life and support the 2nd amendment of the constitution! That's just silly. Guns are a TOOL! A 24 hour waiting period is an infringement on your right to privacy, apondsong. How can one enforce a 24 hour waiting period without disclosing your personal information... otherwise how else would they know that you waited out the 24 hour period?

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Well, we'll all get to go testify this session on a bill that Rep. Craven (D-Lewiston) has iintroduced: 852 An Act To Create a Waiting Period for Weapons SPONSOR: Representative Craven

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