Breaking... Olympia Snowe is stepping down from the U.S. Senate

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Jim Cyr
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There's no real news in this:

There's no real news in this: we all know that time moves on; the power-hungry lose their hold on power one way or another. She won't lose hers through death, it appears.
Her stranglehold on ALL of us (man, did she have us over a barrel!) is being released. Did she or her supporters seriously think that she could maintain it forever??

EagleIsland said: "This is a completely rotten trick for Snowe to pull. Although there are certainly some qualified individuals on the R side for a run - Kevin Raye and Charlie Summers come immediately to mind - announcing her decision to retire so close to the filing deadline is tantamount to flipping off Maine Republicans who found her positions too liberal but supported her anyway."
Come on: this has always been a self-possessed woman through and through. What more did you expect??

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Mr. Ek Wrote: "We have only

Mr. Ek Wrote: "We have only one candidate in the race. He has been running for two years and you can't find him? Scott D'Amboise is a principled constitutional candidate and will be a principled constitutional senator who supports our platform which is better than what we have now."

Mr. Blaine Answers: "The Republicans have to get a real candidate fast - one who can make a showing in this far-left state of ours - and keep this seat away from the Democrats. D'Amboise cannot do this. How do I put this delicately for you...

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He's a clown - OK?

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Taxfoe I wonder if it is rats

Taxfoe

I wonder if it is rats leaving a sinking ship, let's face it, senators have inside information, this whole Eurozone collapse/Iran War build up and Olympia signing up for another 6 years? Why be stuck in DC trying to solve the unsolvable, let some other schmuck take the rap.

Jock and Snowe are heading for Barbados! Adios suckers :)

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Rick: Is that a picture of

Rick: Is that a picture of A.I. Dodge with D'Amboise?

Mike G
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Rick maybe you can get

Rick

maybe you can get Prince William to run for Senator? is there any royal blood out there? Rick Blaine needs some royalty to vote for, he might settle for a Harvard man.

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The psychological aspect of

The psychological aspect of her announcement is sad. And rather pathetic. She hearkens to a "Spartan fighting ancestry", but she's not a dumb woman. She knows the devil's deal she made long ago: DON'T fight, and get increased political security as a result. Now, she has already started to look back, and maybe to rewrite her own personal history: "I was a fighter.......I know I was a fighter". If fighting really does mean something to her deep down inside, then it will be a difficult, self-loathing retirement period for her.
That is sad.

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A cheerful scenario: Michaud

A cheerful scenario: Michaud and Pingree go for it. Summers runs in the 1st CD and Raye in the 2nd. Both win in cakewalks. And Collins' more conservative protege, Abbott, takes the Senate seat - he does know how to run a campaign for the US Senate after all.

A dreadful scenario: Michaud and Pingree make a deal, only one runs. Raye gives up on the 2nd CD, Summers won't run in the 1st, messy GOP primary, Dems get all three seats. Back to the drawing board.

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I'm sure the R's will come up

I'm sure the R's will come up with a winner to replace Snowe. There are plenty of cast-offs from the Lepage administration (those who quit, those who were asked to leave, and those who "should" leave). Perhaps Charlie Webster could run their campaign and one of 15 or so ex-communications directors from Lepage could handle "messaging".

The fun thing to watch now is that many will be torn with the cruel reality of...."Now we can run a "real" conservative" vs. "But this state is not going to elect one."

Please pass the popcorn....

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I keep hearing the refrain

I keep hearing the refrain that this state will not elect a conservative and yet in the last state election the House, The Senate and the Governorship all went Republican for the first time in about thirty years and no one was expecting it

.Here's another old refrain- "The times they are a changin". My advise- Don't take anything for granted. Don't try to second guess the public mood- just go for what you believe in. A big part of the talk about what the people in this state will or won't do is just an attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophesy.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Phil

I wouldn't mind seeing Phil Harriman run. And l liked what Dunlap had to say in the interview he did with Michelle, I would have voted for him over Snowe.

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I'd say she's more of a

I'd say she's more of a merchant than a fighter, considering how often she's sold out.

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Maybe after all the

Maybe after all the conscientious votes she made, her conscience is bothering her or maybe she finally got around to read Obamacare.

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" Iacta alea est " The die

" Iacta alea est " The die is cast. Let's hope that more time is spent finding a suitable candidate that can win against whoever the D's field. Getting caught up in what Olympia did or didn't do will not serve Maine or the conservative agenda. The time to get moving forward is now..... Maybe Maine will garner some attention and funds from the party in an attempt not to lose another seat in the senate.

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So, the far right extremists

So, the far right extremists just got wopped up side the head with a two by four as they dance and sing "Oh, happy days".....and of course don't realize it as Ollie smiles and says "gotcha" on her way to retirement. Yes Mackensie.....Ollie knew she would win...in the typical landslide. Now, the Sussmans are deciding who will take that seat and if it is Chellie, than Hannah will takes mom's old seat....'Oh Happy days".

Again, we are faced with the debacle of the Republican party in Maine. Top organizations have not one, not two, but typically four to six 'heir apparents' in the wings. We have not one....sorry Roger, Scott D ain't no senator material except maybe, just maybe, at the state level. Recyling Summers, Ciancette.....won't work. A long shot who could win the general, maybe Bruce Poliquin? Maybe?

Well, my congratulations to the haters.....when the music stops, you'll be the first to complain as our new senator votes 100% with the Reid/Pelosi band wagon.

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the far right extremists, you

the far right extremists, you mean those that actually expect our senators or their staff to read a bill before voting yeah on it, you mean those who expect a senator to consider the unintended consequences of voting yeah on a bill that promises "free" something.

This bit about senatorial aura and how someone doesn't have it is a bunch of elitist BS. A bunch of show and glitter to make the peons believe they aren't being sold down the river.

Yes Kennedy was senatorial material, Reid is senatorial material, what's the one ability these people have, it is the ability to make deals, to swap influence and money for some to gain and others to lose.

They are just a bunch of damn lawyers, high priced lawyers mind you, but paid mouthpieces all the same, damn the constitution, damn the people, let's make a deal.

What is this lawyers arguing whether they can allow a used-car salesman into the club

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Huh? Why would the executive

Huh? Why would the executive director say this?

“We’ve got to see how things play out. We’ll have to see what kind of candidate wants to step forward,” he said.

Asked if D’Amboise could carry the party banner, Quatrano replied, “He was challenging Olympia from the right, so I don’t know.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73407_Page2.html#ixzz1nlqvMtZ9

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Peter Mills has the best

Peter Mills has the best chance of winning this seat.

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Political Reality

Political Reality Check:

Whomever runs will have to be comfortable financially going into the race. Even with out-of-state PACs and party groups pumping money into Maine, the timing is so late-in-the-game that the full blast budgets have already been allocated to other target Senate and House races around the country. Maine is causing them all to revise but it means that money will be too little, too late.

So both parties face the same issue in this unexpected scenario: a candidate with built-in name recognition to save the part of the campaign budget used for Name ID and creating a brand image plus the ability to show a better-than-even chance of electability so that the outside money will come in. If you've ever done the round of Washington, DC groups and PACs, you would find that money doesn't come automatically because of ideology or party. They have a vetting process and several layers of interviews so that they don't pour good money after bad on a weak candidate.

Now add the late timing and you see this is not going to be a race where a "statement candidate" should run. This is going to be hard ball politics. It requires candidates with the political smarts to campaign with strategy and tactics on his or her mind every waking moment (or, at least, the smarts to be managed by people with that expertise and the wisdom to listen to their advice if they want to win).

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And Collins' more

And Collins' more conservative protege, Abbott, takes the Senate seat - he does know how to run a campaign for the US Senate after all.

Knowing how to run a campaign and knowing how to be the candidate are two completely different skillsets, Thras. I went to a number of the candidate forums during the gubernatorial runup. Abbott always came off like he was running for president of the student body.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Phil

I wouldn't mind seeing Phil Harriman run.

Interesting idea, Islander. Very interesting idea. Phil is smart, accomplished, respected in the Republican establishment (don't overlook the importance of that, campers) and has good name recognition in a large part of the district.

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Crazy thought: what if Mitt

Crazy thought: what if Mitt called her up and said "get ready to be my VP nominee?" Her quitting now would make sense, as we still have time to get a good nominee in her seat before the deadline and she wouldn't have to "run" for senate while she's running for VP.

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Not to mention Phil is pretty

Not to mention Phil is pretty darn good on the financial end of things.

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More good analysis from Matt
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I'm convinced that she

I'm convinced that she resigned before the primary because the EDMC scandal that hangs over Jock and Oly like the sword of Damocles.

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First I had heard of the EDMC

First I had heard of the EDMC scandal . It sounds like the most plausible explanation for Olympia stepping down and for the treasonous timing.

This is a scandal that sounds like the education version of Fannie May and Freddie Mack and it is run by the Apollo group, whose name is all to similar to the Apollo Alliance who wrote the Stimulus Bill that passed only because of the Snowe and Collins votes. Are the Apollo Group and the Apollo Alliance one and the same or different entities? Anyone know?

I have been searching but found it difficult to get results using the terms Apollo Group and Apollo Alliance together and so I tried John Glen Sperling, the founder of the Apollo Group and George Soros. I found one reference on Wikipedia:

"John Sperling is also an opponent of drug prohibition and is actively financing initiatives to decriminalize medical marijuana in the United States. According to Time magazine, Sperling used marijuana to combat pain caused by the cancer he fought during the 1960s.[17] Together with George Soros, and Peter Lewis of Progressive Insurance, Sperling raised considerable amounts of money for drug and other related causes, especially during the 2004 presidential campaign."

I do not know if the two groups are directly connected but they are certainly connected through ideology and purpose.

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It will be D'Amboise because

It will be D'Amboise because he is the only one that can get the signatures needed or are they just going to "wave" that requirement so you can get your "harvard" man in there.

You can bitch about the extremists doing this to Snowe, but she did it to you, two weeks before signatures were due.

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I bet there is a progressive

I bet there is a progressive scramble going on in the legislature to push the caucus result and the nomination signature form dates back a few weeks. That would include the progressives in both parties.

There is more than one way to steal an election.

I'm just sayin'.

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Sen. John Cronyn, head of the

Sen. John Cronyn, head of the Republican Senate Campaign Committee, had interesting observations this morning on Laura Ingraham's national radio show. He went out of his way to be kind toward Snowe but there was an uncurrent in his tone that indicated they were irked by the timing of her announcement. RSCC had assumed she would be reelected and, by putting Maine into play, it throws the entire strategy of getting a GOP majority in the Senate into doubt, he said. He acknowledged that she didn't vote like a typical Republican. He said he respected that her Maine constituency is different from his Texas constituency so there would not be full concurrance on Republican issues. But he said, "Like Ronald Reagan, we said someone who is with us 70 percent of the time is our ally, rather than to say that if they're against us 30 percent of the time they're our enemy." Therefore, he concluded, she was important procedurely for the GOP numbers toward a majority and now she has thrown the entire Senate control strategy into chaos.

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wow!!! It took me almost 20

wow!!!

It took me almost 20 minutes to read all these comments!

Well, I was one of Olympias' first volunteers 30 years ago and I well remember sitting in a dim and smelly room stuffing envelopes with Kevin Raye and sneaking over to Bates to use the free copier in the library.

I expect we will find out more about Olympia soon but I thought she was a pretty good Senator, especially considering some of the alternatives. I thought she worked hard, had a lot of common sense and never fell in love with either herself or the money/glamour of Washington. Last time I spoke to her -a few years back- she was the same old person- efficient, straight-forward, school-marmish: old style Yankee.

I am still ticked off that she didn't vote to impeach Clinton, but that's me.

Her timing is awful and it makes me really wonder if there is more than is being said.

Two BIG questions are now on the table!

1. Will Michaud run? (Maybe-he's a stronger candidate- as a person- than Chellie, who has slept her way into great wealth from her humble hippy days in the Midwest )
2. Will Chellie run? (Probably-she now has @ $80+ million to spend , which is a LOT of money)

This weekend is a pivotal one in Maine, because if these two run-then everyone else below them will decide to also run. It's a presidential year and the voters are out in force, so the election will be a referendum on Obama/Congress/the economy and everyone is mad at one thing or another. SuperPacs are now also in play -and so is a LOT of foreign money via Rhode island 504(b) corporations!

I suspect that only Kevin Raye has the name recognition and the 'well-liked-ness'/personal connections" to win the Second District and maybe, just maybe- be an effective challenger for the Senate seat. It will depend upon the money and the presidential race and the economy. He has tough family times though.

Jon Courtney has the name recognition and the geographical base- to win the 1st District primary easily and then be a strong candidate against whatever Portland area/gold coaster Liberal wins the Democratic Primary (Eliot Cutler/ Ethan Strimling) .

If these two jump in- it's 1994 all over again. The political map of this state will be shark-like feeding frenzy for the next 3 months until primary day.

Run Kevin Run!

And for people like "Real Republican"- well, then don't vote! At least you get the ego boost of having moral probity. For the rest of us- as with life itself- the system is about picking the better of two imperfect and sometimes really bad choices. Our candidates reflect our society dude.

I reckon the odds of the GOP holding only ONE Federal office on January 2013 are now 4:1 at best, but maybe, just maybe, we can stop Maine from returning to the Andrews style, "Say Anything, Do Nothing" politics that has served Greece so well over the past 20 years.

See you on the campaign trail folks!

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taxfoe wrote:. . . is the shi

[quote="taxfoe"]. . . is the shi - nola about to hit the fan?[/quote]

That was my first thought.

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[quote="Thrasybulus"] Maybe she should resign NOW so LePage can name a replacement.[/quote]

And that was my very next thought.

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