Catalonia, Brexit, the Civil War and the U. S. Revolution

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Catalonia, Brexit, the Civil War and the U. S. Revolution

As the old saying goes, “follow the money”. This is the common denominator of each of the efforts of peoples to wrest themselves from confiscatory taxes. Catalonians speak a different language than the rest of Spain and are still a nearly homogenous people occupying a certain territory within Spain. Like the rest of Spain, they joined together to form a union to oust the Moors and then defend their confederation. Their autonomy as a state was subsumed by a federal government just as those of the individual United States has been by a central authority whose original intent was solely to defend the States from outsiders and not to govern.
The language of England is English, though to go through various parts of it you would not know it. Various portions of it speak different languages, eleven it total. They too combined to form a union for their protection and then their local autonomy was eroded by the development of a central government. That central government then joined most of Western Europe, first in a defense pact and then a trade pact, but keeping their own currency. Now they wish to extract themselves from that pact because they pay more into the EU economic system than they get back.
In the United States, the Southern States bore the brunt of the cost of the federal government through taxes. When they tried to do what the original colonies did to the British who were taxing them to pay for Britain’s wars against the French and others they were forced into returning to a compact that continued to tax it unfairly.
Americans justified their revolution by stipulating that when a government treats (taxes) its citizens unfairly they have a right to throw off that government and establish a new one. A right they later denied to their Southern brethren, Europe is now denying to England and the Spanish government to Catalonia.
India has solved the dilemma of breakaway States as will Spain where under its Constitution, the central government can displace the government of any State that seeks to leave the pact or fails to follow the directions (taxation policy) of the Federal government.
The U. S. Constitution has no provision to deal with States who may choose to opt out because their wealth is being drained to support other States. Some of California’s citizens are making noises about seceding but it is currently only a whisper. There are only 10 States that contribute more in federal taxes than they get in return. They are; New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York and Colorado. Clinton outpolled Trump in every one of these States.
No State can survive and feed its citizens without trade and like England, there will be no complete backing away from some form of union with the rest of Europe because it needs customers for the surpluses it produces in order to buy what it needs from others. Their citizens must work in order to pay for the necessities of life because no one can be self-sufficient. Only a small portion can work because paying jobs are few and decreasing in number due to industrialization and technology. The result is a vast welfare state supported not solely by those who work and are taxed, but by a government that continues to print money with no visible means of backing.
I have contested that statement and contend the dollar is backed by something and that is the kcal or the food calorie which provides the energy to sustain life and produce work. There is sufficient food production to satisfy the needs of the 8 to 10 billion humans and animals on earth but it is unevenly divided by region and by government who is the sole determiner of who gets how much of what nature provides. The latter unevenly distributes nature’s largess through the tax code, providing more to those who give it the power to continue this system. The United States is the only nations that produces more kcal than it produces but has not only topped out in its production but imports sufficient quantities to feed over 50 million and must subsidize the bulk its production, particularly that of grains and corn.
We are already seeing what this unequal distribution is doing in many parts of the world. That is migration, crime, civil unrest and outright revolution. It is starting here because a welfare state cannot exist when there is not enough to go around, regardless how the government decides to distribute it.
I have described this scenario in my book The Real Economy and how the politicians have perpetuated this system through their lack of adherence to the law (Constitutions) in The Constitution, a Document Steeped in History and a Compromise Devoid of Promise.
The demise of the human race is inevitable and will come when one of the three necessities of life; air, water, food, disappears. I offer in The Real Economy a means by which the day of reckoning can be extended almost indefinitely.

Yes Bruce and Mel, I will continue to beat this dead horse until someone who understands where I am coming from steps forward and leads an overthrow of the government with the intent to introduce the system I propose.

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We know you will continue,

We know you will continue, since you are totally devoid of leadership ability, i.e. waiting for someone else , that isn't going to happen.

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Now you've done it, Ollie!

Now you've done it, Ollie!

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PMcon

PMcon

Did you see where the WAPO editorial staff said the Catalonian referendum was a Russian win, somehow those pesky russkies convinced all of the Catalonian separation. Seems it was done with one facebook Vodka ad.

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Mike

Mike
Did the occasional AMG Russian wives have a part in it ?

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You mean the blond beauties

You mean the blond beauties that could be imported over here as wives so they could get their teeth fixed?

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Ya but you notice they do not

Ya but you notice they do not seem to be lacking kcals !

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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/spain/finally-belg...

Belgium’s prime minister Charles Michel come out against the official European line on the crisis between Catalonia and Spain. He has stated the obvious that Europe cannot stand for human rights accepting all these refugees while oppressing and dissent among its own people.

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Bruce: I am 85 years old and

Bruce: I am 85 years old and no longer have the stamina to undertake a leadership role in what would be a fight against a much superior force and system heavily rigged in favor of my opposition, taking years of minor skirmishes. As to leadership ability I would refer you to my success at leading as many as 6000 employees and contractors to the successful completion of projects costing in excess of $6 billion in the 1970s and early 1980s prior to my retirement. These projects, which I was charged to implement, still represent over 50% of the total crude and NGL production of Saudi Aramco, the world's largest oil and petrochemical company.

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I know where your coming from

I know where your coming from.

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"... I will continue to beat

"... I will continue to beat this dead horse until someone who understands where I am coming from steps forward and leads an overthrow of the government with the intent to introduce the system I propose."

So let's see. You're a vastly experienced major program manager; an author of multiple books; a PhD; and have multiple contacts around the world, including some with unimaginable wealth and politics completely different than ours. So you must have a detailed program plan, a staffing design, and a budget to implement your overthrow plan (or should we say repeal and replace?)

Will you publicize these, or are you including them in a new book?

How much capital have you raised among your friends in Saudi Arabia? How many of your former associates are backing you in your plan and rallying to your side?

I think you already know, sage reader of others that you are, that these are not likely to arise from the diminishing readership at AMG.

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I you had read my books,

I you had read my books, which I most assuredly know you have not, you would know that I have already discounted the possibility of an overthrow of the government that has made slaves of most of us. Hope that this might happen has dwindled to the point where all I have left is I told you so and will keep telling you. Trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube has become an obsession. If you don't like it, TOUGH!

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I know where you are coming

I know where you are coming from.

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"I you had read my books,

"I you had read my books, which I most assuredly know you have not, you would know that I have already discounted the possibility of an overthrow of the government that has made slaves of most of us."

I'm reminded of the classic CW song "If the phone don't ring, I'll know it wasn't you."

Since only "most of us" are slaves, could you please tell us who fits where? Besides you, that is.

"Trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube has become an obsession. If you don't like it, TOUGH!"

So....you're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube? To the point of it being your obsession? And you present yourself as a realist and a seer?

TOUGH job, buddy. Hope you like it.

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Wait...pmconusa wants to

Wait...pmconusa wants to "overthrow the government"? Where you seem to be "coming from" is the desire for someone to commit an act of treason for you to play God, not to mention highly delusional thinking.

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Thomas Jefferson gave us the

Thomas Jefferson gave us the license to oust the oppressive government of England when he opined if it does not serve our needs we can divorce ourselves of it and start a new government. He had sufficient supporters to do so even if it were only a few, they prevailed because the bulk of those who didn't care chose not to stop them. It only takes a small group of organized rebels to do so but they must be of single purpose and able to gain the support of those the authorities may be able to throw against them. I cite Egypt and Col. Nassar, who with the support of the army of which he was a part, took over the country of Egypt. Unfortunately he continued the economic system of the previous government which fosters corruption and Egypt has been unstable since.

As with all previous revolutions in history, it is the economic system they adopt that ultimately results in the oppression of a large portion of the population.

Slavery isn't dead. It unfortunately pays some more than others, in fact, considerably more. A slave is a person who does the will of others for money. When southern planters could no longer import slaves after 1808 they had to grow their own, resulting in them having to feed, house and clothe entire families in order to have sufficient workers to perform the necessary work of a plantation. The cotton gin and the fourteenth amendment abolished slavery but in the process they freed the plantation owner from having to support all but those who could work and the actual amount of work was considerably reduced and was further reduced with the further advancement toward machinery in the industrial revolution throwing the growing number of former slaves and their families into poverty. This cycle was broken only by the need for labor to satisfy the needs of the new industrial age.

Societies have continued to adopt an economic system that is doomed to ultimate failure but along the way some fare better than others and they are the ones who control the system and do not want it changed. The governmental system that is the most difficult to topple is a democracy because the majority who rule can disadvantage the other 49%. The problem arises when some of the 51% have their share reduced to maintain the remaining 49%. No government can survive when it has to take back what it gives and so money is printed to maintain the status quo. Eventually, the value of the money (welfare) being distributed is insufficient to purchase the necessities of life and people are then forced to migrate to where it is, be reduced to stealing or revolt against those who have been subjugating them. It is happening everywhere and is starting here.

As yourself where is the money coming from to pay Social Security benefits,welfare benefits and the pension benefits to employees of the government and enterprises that do business solely for the government. They are not coming from money saved by these individuals but from taxes on current workers, but mostly from borrowed (printed) money to the tune now of over $20 trillion and growing. When I first went to work full time I earned $5,000 per year and my wife worked as well. We considered ourselves well off in 1956. Now anyone who earns less than $20,000 per year is considered living in poverty. A system with these characteristics cannot survive and I tell you why in my book The Real Economy, some of whose critics have not even read it. Fortunately I offer an alternative but doubt those in power will go down with the sinking ship before they change the status quo.

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Suggestion: why not just ;put

Suggestion: why not just ;put the book plugs in the first paragraph and be done with it?

Save yourself some time, and burnish your reputation for being transparent.

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Why don't you just ignore me

Why don't you just ignore me and let others decide if I am right based on the facts I present. You are the epitome of one who spouts, "My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts". If you believe my facts are wrong, present those you think are right and we can debate the issue.

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Well, why don't you just buy

Well, why don't you just buy my books?

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"Why don't you just ignore me

"Why don't you just ignore me and let others decide if I am right based on the facts I present. "

Because they have all given up on trying.
They are all stupid.
You do not want a debate.
One cannot debate when you have already stated the plan will not be adopted.

But I Iknow where your coming from!

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Because they have all given

Because they have all given up on trying. How do you know?
They are all stupid. And what led you to that conclusion? I believe AMG is populated by some very intelligent people, including yourself. Misguided perhaps, but not stupid.
You do not want a debate. Not true. Unless there is a counter argument there can be no debate and I have yet to hear one from you or your echo.
One cannot debate when you have already stated the plan will not be adopted. Whether it is adopted or not it is a plan and if you believe it would not work if adopted tell me why? Then we can debate your counter offer.
But I Iknow where your coming from! And where is that?

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Melvin, I would like to buy

Melvin, I would like to buy your books. Are they available on amazon.com?

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Not yet, but I'm willing to

Not yet, but I'm willing to accept a check to lock in your pre-order of a first edition copy.

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Do you accept kCals as a

Do you accept kCals as a currency?

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Bit coins only, if you please

Bit coins only, if you please.

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