The Death Of A Christian Church

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Stephen Carmichael
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The Death Of A Christian Church

When I was a young boy growing up in poverty in the city of Westbrook my mother would work three jobs while putting herself through trade school as a single mom in the 1980’s. She still found the time to volunteer at the local church and bring me to Sunday school to learn about Christianity. She dedicated many hours of her time to the church and didn’t have money to give, so she gave her time and made homemade things for the kids.

She later met my stepfather and when they decided to get marred in this church, she asked for some type of discount rate). She was offered no such discount and charged the full rate and at the time it was a heavy burdon. The rate was covered by family members who wanted to see her wed in a fitting church. However, it was the last time we ever set foot in the church. Discussed with the lack of message and overwhelming fixations of proceeds, my Mom vowed never to return to this church. To this day she sees fit not to attend any regular church and only goes to random churches on select holidays.

I have followed suit for the most part with the same separation from organized religion. That is until recently, when I realized one can learn many lesions from Christian radio stations, if one sees fit to listen to the messages. I even found some books to read like the Dailey Bible with a 365 day plan of self taught bible study.

Anyhow I found it interesting today to see the church building that brought some regret into my life pictured on the front page of the Portland Press Herald. The church folded and is now reopening as a Hindu Temple. I'm certin that this church was not a Universalist Church many years ago and has had several denominations in it over the years. I have nothing against Hindus and hope they see fit to use the building well, from the sounds of it this building will have more people it now then it did 30 years ago. PPH Story

I’ve come to recognize that even radio programs require finical support in order to keep their message. I’m not against donations, I’ve come to forgive the politics of the old church and move on to spiritual development.

All over America there are churches closing their doors. Information is being disseminated through new mediums and it’s not all that impractical to have on-line learning for bible study, it may be more focused on religion and less on social politics. However there may also be a downside to this loss of community among Christians, who are supposed to become one group in common faith while staying on task with the lords word.

Tom C
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Thoughtful

Thoughtful consideration.

Many have been hurt in churches, and those people may have a difficult time forgiving the church as a whole for what a few people in the church have done to them. At one time I despised churches and church people because I thought they were all phonies and self-rightous hypocrites, until it occurred to me that I fit right in with that crowd. I now look at churches and church differently, and try not to hold anyone in a church, including the pastor, to a higher standard then I would hold myself. And if there are those that I think might come up short, then I hope I can challenge, encourage or provide an example.

Christianity is changing, the old main-line churches are turning grey and fading, but there is a new generation of Christianians rising to take over the Gospel. The Catholic Church remains strong, and has been growing across the globe. As Christians we have new challenges living in a post-Christian soceity, but Christianity does better when Chrsitians have challenges.

It's an interesting area, and can't really be given justice in a few paragraphs.

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Just a couple of points: I

Just a couple of points: I understand fully how many, many people have been hurt by members of Christian churches. People judge what happens there by the perfection of the faith's ideals, when they are implemented by fallible, fallen people (which is a Christian truth, too). As one of my church's leaders said, "You want to know why God picks so many fallible people to carry His message? Because He doesn't have any other choice." Yet the ideals remain as solid and true as they ever were. As was noted, if you want a perfect church, you will never find one (this side of the Second Coming, anyway.) But if you want one that can help you, they do exist, even if they take some time to search out. It is no accident that the Lord's Prayer says, "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." It is a constant of human life that others will hurt us -- and we will hurt others. Forgiveness isn't just a central point, it is THE central point.

Second, it is not that as Christianity spreads like wildfire in some places here and abroad, there is a new generation of Christians "taking charge of the Gospel." They are merely living into it, and believing it, where so many others have lost their faith, or transmuted it into a "wavy-mirror" image that reflects their own priorities rather than God's.

I assure everyone that there are still many faithful churches waiting to be discovered by those whose past experience has been hurtful. It's worth the effort to find them. "Wherever two or three are gathered together in my name," Jesus said, "I will be in the midst of them." Why take the chance of missing Him?

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Well said.

Well said.

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Thank you Mr. Carmichael for

Thank you Mr. Carmichael for starting this thought provoking thread. Mr. Harmon and Mr. C (Tom) also have added
valuable comments.

I have been deeply saddened by the moral descent that I perceive has occurred in the United States in just my short lifetime and truly believe judgement is at the door. Designating this once strong nation as post Christian is unthinkable to me.
We are harvesting what we have sown.

My interest in "churches" is that I certainly have been offended by the doctrines and practices of organized religion but survived thanks to the wealth of media outlets. For over 30 years I have been able to learn from numerous sources, some independent some denominational, and gather in wheat and chaff that can be sifted through Biblical filters.

My frustration has been that I do not understand how a nation with a church on every corner allowed the 1962 sitting supreme court to overturn the founding documents of this Christian nation and ban God from any public mention. The pastors look to me like limp wristed fools who wouldn't say minusha if they had a mouth full of it. Where in the teaching to the gentiles by Paul is directions to establish denominations, bleed parishioners for endless building projects, and make being a pastor an occupation?

The apostle Paul was a working tent maker that paid his own way. He solicited funds for the Jerusalem church when they were so needy, but did not skim off the top % for administrative costs. I am sick to death of churchianity and all the anti-Christ social gospels associated with it. Jesus did not say that if you are sitting under a worthless shepherd that He will give you clemency based on that ignorance, but rather He said your blood would be required on that shepherd for misleading you. It sounds to me on the surface that the individual does not fare well if their blood is required at the hands of another.

This whole 501C3 trap (I think of it as non-prophet as well) was contrived to feed the greed of pastors and shut their mouths, by law, against rioting in the streets over the atrocities handed down by the federal feral courts system. (see the demise of the Indianapolis Baptist Church around 2000/early 2001 Geo Bush was just inaugurated and did not stop the gestapo from seizing the church).

My deepest wish and desire is that my fears are totally insane and delusional concerning the demise of this nation and the multiple millions of lost souls across the land, but I have a hard time believing that this panic mode I feel does not have merit.

My stomach aches when I think of the people I have known who were in bondage because of doctrines contrived by unscrupulous men posing as pastors as well as friends who have died in disbelief because of the Jim and Tammy circuses (et al).

The charades I've seen pass as Christianity fuel the mocking and scoffing heard when mentioning the Gospel. How can I blame average people who have never been taught this good news but have only seen literally the mockery of it performed by the shepherds. I have been to too many funerals fearing that a loved one may be beaten with many stripes because they had no reason to seek salvation during their short life. A very good anonymous writing of this was first published in English in the late 1500s, a short writing called "The Summoning of EveryMan". A thought provoking story of a man confronted unexpectedly by death who was sent to call him in for judgment.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/everyman.asp

I am placing my reservation for a room with a view at one of the local insane asylums and apologize for boring all you folks, but I truly do fear experiencing the wrath of a Living GOD. (King David said it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of a Living God, unprepared).
Peace to all of you as we continue our individual journey towards discovering God's will and purpose in our lives.

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A society turning from God to

A society turning from God to their own desires is nothing new, the old testament is full of examples where Israel made mockery of its covenant.

The idea that we are living in a "new world" with "new morals" is shown to be a lie by looking at history.

But don't despair. God has been through this before, and He comes out just fine.

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"The Kingdom of God is inside

"The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there."

Mathew 17:20 "You don't have enough faith," Jesus told them. "I tell you the truth, if you had faith even as small as a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move. Nothing would be impossible." This is after Jesus performs another of his many exorcisms and lectures his disciples on having faith, after they have failed to cast out the demon. Even his own disciples had moments of disapointments, yet the way was always made clear and the church was wherever Jesus went.

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In the Book of Exodus God

In the Book of Exodus God gives Moses deatailed instructions and blue prints to build the Tabernacle. Bare with me, because this is my first trip from cover to cover through the holly bible, and I've only made it to Exodus thus far and know there is more to come. However, In this grand plan there are incredibly detailed architectural plans from God himself. Later on I will get to the Temple mount.

Where did we as Christians arrive at building the New England Churches as far as plans? They appear to have some common acrhitiecural plans, some classic of thier time periods, but I'm interested in picking some brains for theory on our New England church designs. One could argue favorably that God spoke through the architect when they say down in their study to create from local materials a church fitting for Gods presence.

Tabernacle Part 1 video

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The gathering place for God's

The gathering place for God's people to spend their time with God should be a special place. It is a gateway from the fallen world to His Kingdom.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UNE_Ludcke_Auditorium.jpg

Lundke Auditorium UNE Campus, Portland, ME

I once worked the gounds at UNE as a secuirty staff, one gets to know the intimate details of a building when its your job to parole, monitor, and know the conditions of a structure when everyone else is in bed sleeping or away on holiday.

Lunke Auditorium is the fancy politically correct name given to his old abandon church on Stevens Ave in Portland. The place creeps me out. The building was at one time an active place or worship apparently Westbrook Seminary was gifted the property by Mr. Stevens himself and the building was active for worship. However over time the street once loaded with religion and many churches began to lose some of it’s followers. The death blow to the churches mission was handed down by the transfer of ownership over time. From what I heard through other staff of the University, UNE took a substantial steps to rid this building of worship of all it’s Godly images, so as not to offend anyone who was not a Christian. There was even discussions on how to remove the stained glass with images of Jesus, but the costs where too substantial so the glass was left. It’s a depressing place to walk into, the building gives off a deep sadness much like a weeping angel sitting in the rafters.

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Mr. Carmichael I applaud your

Mr. Carmichael
I applaud your desire to uncover truths in The Word. Jesus said that the only way you can find God is to intelligently search for Him, and He will respond.

I share your awe at what man has built. When I was younger, I attended a Roman Catholic church in Ohio. The stain glass windows, the high mass singing in Latin, truly I felt I was in a building approved by God. Sadly, that is not so. Even at the Vatican square they have St Peter's obelisk, a phallic symbol that honors the fallen angelic beings who worship sexual relations and reproduction first seen in preflood Genesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk

This is what the washington monument and church steeples is all about.

Texx Marrs did a book of photos that show satanic architecture around Europe and such showing many cathedrals and other buildings with gargoyles and such all with dark intent behind the artistic license.

http://www.youtube.com/user/texemarrs

http://www.texemarrs.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=c...

I encourage you to hold fast to the word and do not be blinded by the traditions of men. Texx has an impressive BIO but is very critical of the Jewish state. I understand somewhat as it was evil Jews who despised Jesus and persecuted the Jewish Christians (Messianic Jews), but also that is between them and God, I will not fight against them.

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