Every crime is a hate crime...
It's easy enough to believe, but justifying this claim's legitimacy just because police are "investigating" seems a stretch. The police have to investigate when such a serious crime is reported, especially in a high-profile situation. Can you imagine if they didn't investigate?
Again, it's easy from the bleachers to believe someone couldn't keep his/her emotions in check and threatened Heath. Emotions are jangled on both sides. If police are able to nab a suspect, I hope that suspect will face hate crime charges...because...well, it's a stupid law, but clearly Heath is being threatened because of his religious beliefs......
A mercy killing is not done out of hate?
re: To insinuate that the No on 1 campaign leader (Jesse) supports any sort of violence is just outlandish.
I didn't count the number of times Jesse and others in the No on 1 campaign referred to those who disagreed with him on legalizing same-sex marriage as "haters" and "bigots" and "liars" who want to "harm" Maine children. But it happened many, many times. A man cannot use language like that to describe a group of people and then claim no responsibility if threats or harm comes to that same group.
"Stay out of my bedroom."
Stay out of my face.
Stay outta my kid's face!
Was it the Yes on One campaign, or this that could have ticked someone off? Can the police check to see if the state gov. has gotten any hate mail on this subject?
His work number hasn't been changed on the gov. site.:
I didn't know it was possible to be both a post-modern philosopher and live in the past... leave it to Dō'nō... why do you insist on citing legislation considered during the 123rd Legislative Session?
A mercy killing is not done out of hate?
Hmmm...maybe I spoke too soon or maybe, mercy killing is motivated by "hatred" of the disease/aliment... Frankly, don't think of mercy killing as a crime, at least not in the same vein as a threat to kill an otherwise healthy person....hate crime is stupid...either it's a crime or it's not....I can deal with degrees of crime....first degree murder, etc. but how do you "prove" hate? It's just too subjective for an arena that ought to be based in objectivity...you know, justice is blind...
Your posts seem to be arguing that there was such a threat, but that Heath, by his actions "had it coming" [ my paraphrase].
Seems counterproductive for your side.
thejohnchapman, exactly where do you think I said that he "had it coming" to him?
"I hope that the caller goes to jail. Even if it is found to be the guy who cannot be named here. Is that still in Effect, BTW?"
"Matthew Shepherd? Seriously?"
"Stav, Matthew Shepard was tied to a fence and beaten to death for 30 bucks and a pair of shoes? It was also reported that they were not under the influence of drugs at the time. The guy was tortured to death."
"Was it the Yes on One campaign, or this that could have ticked someone off? Can the police check to see if the state gov. has gotten any hate mail on this subject?
"His work number hasn't been changed on the gov. site.:
Where exactly am I blaming the holiest-lime-light-loving guy in Maine?
Marc Mutty from Stand for Marriage Maine said a threatening voice mail message was discovered Monday morning at campaign headquarters in which a female caller said, "You will be dead. Maybe not today, not tomorrow. But soon you'll dead." Police in Yarmouth are investigating.
Well, we all have been asking if there has been a paper trail of such or other reports filed with the police. I think this kind of answers that question.
Scott, great post. It actually proves what the Yes on 1 folks have been doing for years. Many calling gays perverts, liars, evil, molesters, indecent, bad parents...and the list goes on.
A man cannot use language like that to describe a group of people and then claim no responsibility if threats or harm comes to that same group.
I have never heard you say that about the leaders like Mr. Heath...and others. Why not?
1. Mike was not involved in this campaign.
2. I've known Mike a long time. We don't agree on everything and have had private discussions, over the years, on points of disagreement.
3. Finally, no one on the Yes on 1 campaign team fits your description of them.
Police investigate 2 telephone threats
November 9, 2009
AUGUSTA, Maine—Police are investigating a pair of threats against gay marriage opponents in Maine.
Marc Mutty from Stand for Marriage Maine says a threatening voicemail message was discovered Monday morning at campaign headquarters in which a female caller said, "You will be dead. Maybe not today, not tomorrow. But soon you'll dead." Police in Yarmouth are investigating.
"You will be dead. Maybe not today, not tomorrow. But soon you'll dead."
Duh. Everyone will.
I don't see the problem here.
Lets elevate the discourse...Of course Jesse stepped over the line with his comments. As the leader of the No on 1 campaign- his actions sets an example for the group that he leads. He ought to recognize that he mispoke and should publically walk it back.
Some one needs to be the adult.
What kind of idiot leaves a physical threat in voicemail? I don't think this is going to be too hard to trace back.
Either someone used someone else's phone to frame them, in which case a careful listen to the voice can prove helpful there, perhaps fingerprints on a borrowed phone; or they made the threat from their own phone, in which case they are REALLY stupid.
But I would be a little concerned, not so much about being assaulted, (but then I'm not a guy who has a lot to worry about in that department,) but instead firebombing or somehow attacking someone's house. By the time you can return fire, they've most likely scooted away!
Fortunately for lawyers, locksmiths, soldiers, cops, security guards, prison guards, social workers, judges, ER workers and insurers, there is no shortage of idiots. Yes, many are stupid enough to leave a voicemail real death threat.
I'd be inclined to dismiss it, but when you consider the irrational vitriol and hatred that the lefties came up with over the last few months, I might be a little concerned.
These folks seem to have a fair amount of energy to back up their hate.
The person who left the voicemail said, "I can tell him this. I'm a gay guy who owns guns, and he's my next target."
Well, you could check with a lawyer, but I'd guess he won't own any guns after he's charged and convicted of criminal threatening.
I was reading an article about some of the antics that took place in California towards those that were against gay marriage and a lot of the hate words that were used here that Mainers don't normally use towards each other were also used on Californians and the vandalism we saw on the Yes on 1 signs were identical to vandalism that was done to signs out in California.
What I am getting at is what happened out there a year ago....happened here almost identically step for step from the No on 1 play book. I am sure that Maine and California are not the only states this has happened in. I think they are intensifying their craft from state to state... one election after another. Also notice that we (Yes on 1) did not stoop to their level. I think that shows who has better character and credibility, in my opinion.
B-b-b-but... California is not Maine, er, Massachusetts is not Maine.. um, er... nevermind. I guess maybe they are just all the same.
Heheheh... Conspiracy theory much?
Here's what we can expect.
All I was saying is that the No on 1 campaign was treating us like they did in other states. They treated the Yes on 1 campaign supporters like we were haters, bigots, ect... and that is not true. A lot of the things they did to our campaign materials for vandalism, such as signs, are exactly what they did to the signs in other states.
There are only so many things you can do to a sign.
Is there a law against putting up signs that really have nothing to do with an election during the "political sign weeks" here in Maine? I mean, can people put up their own signs that say stuff like: "Religion and law shouldn't mix. So Vote YES on 42" during this time?
Scott...that is a cop out. Are you saying that no one on the Yes on 1 team has never said gays are bad parents, or raise more "at risk" kids? Gay are perverted. Gays are disgusting. Gay are more apt to sexually abuse children. Just to name a few....
Again, if they have said this...are they partially responsible for the violent acts that befall gay folks then?
A man cannot use language like that to describe a group of people and then claim no responsibility if threats or harm comes to that same group
Again, based on your statement Mike Heath has some responsiblity if threats or harm come to gays/lesbians...right? Yes, or no.
Oh, and wasn't the Yes on 1 campaign all about gay marriage and how it was going to harm kids in school? Geesh.
Again, based on your statement Mike Heath has some responsiblity if threats or harm come to gays/lesbians...right?
Charlotte, you are missing the point.
It is the GAY ACTIVISTS THAT ARE MAKING THE DEATH THREATS.
re: Are you saying...? I never heard any comments such as you describe among the Yes on 1 campaign team and volunteers I worked with.
As unlikely as it is, but in court the argument could be made: prove that it is a gay activist that made the threat.
However, the odds are that we are correct and it is a gay activist.