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Tom C
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I don't have time to take

I don't have time to take apart all of your answer that doesn't really apply to this situation, and if I did, there wouldn't be anything left of it.

Mike G
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http://www.mcall.com/news/loc

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/allentown/mc-allentown-dieruff-taser-vid...

14 year old girl gets tasered, 1 minute and 40 seconds discovered missing from tape after mother brings lawsuit. Tough guy can't handle a lone 14 year old girl

thejohnchapman
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Mike: I'm sure he could

Mike:

I'm sure he could "handle" a flailing 14 year-old. He might break a finger, toe or nose doing so -- his or more likely, hers.
Tasers don't break stuff. That's why they issue them.

thejohnchapman
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Tom: Why don't you cut and

Tom:

Why don't you cut and paste the part you are having difficulty with?

Tom C
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1 minute and 40 seconds

1 minute and 40 seconds discovered missing from tape after mother brings lawsuit.

Why is the tape "missing"? I think it was "redacted", by why?

Parkersburg Mayor Bob Newell allegedly implemented a policy that encouraged city police officers to severely beat rowdy suspects, according to documents released as part of a lawsuit against the city.

"He advised the officers to the effect that if they were in a scuffle to 'beat their ass and put them in the hospital,'" according to an account Parkersburg police Officer Nathan R. Deuley gave as part of his lawsuit against the city.

Parkersburg mayor instituted beatings policy, officer says

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Tom: Either the disgruntled

Tom:

Either the disgruntled employee is lying (no "beatings" policy), or there was one and he is a hero by exposing it. I suppose there is a final possibility -- that everyone (police and citizens) in town is crazier than hell.

Tom C
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Could be a result of

Could be a result of inbreeding. Ask any old-time maternity doc in Maine about that problem in rural areas. They even have a term for it: "Weak protoplasm."

Mike G
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TJC people have died by

TJC

people have died by being tasered, as far as I know no one has died from a broken nail.

I guess it's just sop to taser or pepper spray a 14 year old girl.

Now that this video is on Drudge, I can just imagine the respect that this will foster from the citizenry for SOME of our LEO. not to mention the missing minute and 40 seconds that was somehow erased leading up to the incident, before or after the suit was filed.

You couple all of these over reactions of LEOs against essentially nothing more than civil disobedience and then consider the DOD appropriations bill passed that allows Obama to seize without proper review any American as a potential enemy combatant and an increasing number of citizens are going to wonder from where comes the harm and danger.

Give some enough rope and they will hang themselves, and I'm not talking about the 14 year old girl.

charlie neville
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Inquisitive minds can't help

Inquisitive minds can't help but wonder what that missing 100 seconds shows! And, more importantly, why it's redacted?

charlie

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In many jurisdictions it is

In many jurisdictions it is SOP to taser before any wrasslin' or striking. You talked about a broken nail. Please consider the number of people who die from simple exertion each year. Examples:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6854913

http://www.emsvillage.com/articles/article.cfm?id=1523

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6493012

Here is a study from the UK -- no apparent use of tasers

The longer a fight goes on, the more it is likely that the subject will die from exertion alone. The risk is greatly increased when the subject uses cocaine and / or amphetamines.

You want to avoid a physical fight to avoid harm to the subject. Because of the way tasers work, they have SOME of the same risks, but for a much lesser period of time. You can incapacitate the person quickly, and then apply restraints. Yup, some people will die from tasers. Some will die from running away from the police. Some will die from any sudden exertion.

Here's a study on in-custody deaths from tasers. Over 88% of those who died were found to have "at least one predisposing factor of sudden death". In the same study, they looked at deaths from a wide variety of uses of force, including simple handcuffing.

None of the cases of "instantaneous death" resulted from tasers. Twenty Two cases of instantaneous death were present in the study sample.

A fight is never safe. Tasers are "less unsafe" than duking it out.

Tom C
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Please consider the number of

Please consider the number of people who die from simple exertion each year.

Following you here, in the interest of public safety, forget seat belts and texting, perhaps we should start tasering joggers.

Tom C
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Gibson's widow is claiming

Gibson's widow is claiming that Gibson was not trying to break into anywhere and was simply confused. According to Rondha Gibson, her husband was suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and was trying to return home when the incident occured.

Police ID officers involved in Monday's fatal shooting

Veterans in Politics, a political advocacy group for veterans, is speaking out against the officer involved shooting that happened Monday morning.

Organization calls for Sheriff to resign following officer-involved shooting

Two civil rights groups are calling for a U.S. Department of Justice to investigate a Metropolitan Police Department's use of deadly force in a wake of a fatal shooting of an unarmed veteran and a Las Vegas Review-Journal investigation into police shootings."Metro has shown itself unwilling to undertake a necessary steps to control, discipline or properly train its officers," Frank Hawkins, president of a Las Vegas chapter of a NAACP, said in a news release.

Federal Inquiry Sought Into Las Vegas Police Shootings

This is the 18th time this year a Metro officer shot a Las Vegas resident. The coroner's inquest, where officers involved in shootings are questioned, is stalled.

Vegas sheriff on shooting: 'It is my duty to come forward'

A police force that shoots and kills more often than comparable urban departments. A rubber-stamp review system that erodes public confidence in law enforcement. An insular police culture lacking in accountability and the ability to change.

Steps that could reduce police shootings blocked by union

Hmmm.. Hundreds of civilians killed in Vegas over the past ten years.

But why should the police want to change the system? It's working fine for THEM.

Mike G
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TJC you convinced me, it is

TJC

you convinced me, it is time to buy a taser. :)

Tom C
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More pressure by groups

More pressure by groups unsatisfied with the "investigation process":

In a move aimed at bolstering public confidence, Seattle police proposed Thursday the creation of a civilian auditor, possibly a retired judge, to independently review department investigations into shootings by officers.

SPD proposes auditor to review probes of police shootings

Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie said Thursday he would support a federal investigation into Las Vegas police shootings, lending weight to recent calls by civil rights groups for such a probe.

Sheriff would support federal inquiry into Las Vegas police shootings

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Mike: Here's the only "fly in

Mike:

Here's the only "fly in the ointment" regarding tasers.

4. This section does not apply to the use of an electronic weapon by:
A. A law enforcement officer, corrections officer or corrections supervisor engaged in the performance of the law enforcement officer's, corrections officer's or corrections supervisor's public duty if the officer's or corrections supervisor's appointing authority has authorized such use of an electronic weapon; or [2005, c. 264, §1 (NEW).]
B. A person using an electronic weapon when that use is for the purpose of:
(1) Defending that person or a 3rd person as authorized under section 108, subsection 2; or
(2) Defending that person's dwelling place as authorized under section 104, subsections 3 and 4.

Because the legislature dealt with a hypothetical problem badly, private citizens can only use "electronic weapons" where deadly force is justified.

Tom C
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Mr. Gibson was an unarmed man

Mr. Gibson was an unarmed man who, while exhibiting clear signs of mental and emotional distress, threatened no one. Nor did he pose a danger of committing an act that would likely result in death or serious injury. Mr. Gibson had committed no crime, nor was he about to. He needed mental health services. Instead, he was shot to death.

This type of scenario, rather than being an aberration, has become all too familiar.

WHEN LAS VEGAS POLICE SHOOT, AND KILL: We need independent accountability on shootings

How cozy is the district attorney's office with police? It has been more than 30 years since the Clark County district attorney's office has presented an on-duty fatal police shooting to a grand jury for possible prosecution. Outgoing District Attorney David Roger, who is retiring Jan. 3 despite having three years left on his term, is expected to take a job with the Las Vegas police officers' union once he leaves office.

Clark County's next district attorney must be willing to review police shootings

What, the DA's office chummy with the PD? Hey, let's "wait for the investigation"!

Moments after Valente Galindo was giving his girlfriend a back massage he became the fourth person killed this year by San Jose police.

But how the custodian ended up dead in a confrontation in his own bedroom was the subject of a dispute Friday between police and Galindo's girlfriend.

The one thing they agree on -- officers weren't looking for Galindo when they frantically chased another man they say was armed and fleeing into Galindo's home.

San Jose police, girlfriend give different accounts of fatal officer-involved shooting

Innocent citizen IN HIS HOME, when hyped-up cops bust in and kill him.

But, hey, they were "protecting the public"!

Tom C
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The officer said there is a

The officer said there is a mentality, especially among younger officers, of resorting to the gun sooner rather than later. Older officers tend to use less lethal force and more hand-to-hand combat.

"We had to do to get suspects in custody," the officer said. "If their head bounced off the ground, so be it."

The veteran patrol officer said it's better to have a suspect's head bounce off the ground than to use deadly force.

Las Vegas officers dismayed, defensive about latest shooting

You don't say!

Hey, maybe that "mentality" goes with the paramilitary outfits!

Tom C
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Noting that the finding

Noting that the finding stemmed from the officers’ own reports, investigators found that one in five uses of force by Seattle officers was unconstitutional.

Investigators went on to assert that “dozens” of other cases may have involved an unconstitutional use of force, but that they lacked sufficient information to rule them to be so. They also noted that officers were too quick to use impact weapons – clubs and flashlights – and that their use was either not justified or excessive in 57 percent of cases.

Fed: Seattle police show 'pattern of excessive force'

Interesting. When you get an INDEPENDENT review - the "investigation" shows a different result!

Maybe the feds are "cop-killer wannabes"! They should just take some medication and relax! It's all just a conspiracy theory!

Mike Travers
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Tom, I watched the video and

Tom, I watched the video and the guy in the orange jacket had both hands up in a threatening manner.

Tom C
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Perhaps he was about to take

Perhaps he was about to take off like Superman, and the police officer was only trying to keep him from escaping.

Tom C
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Marion County's prosecutor

Marion County's prosecutor has asked the West Virginia State Police to review an internal investigation that determined a fatal shooting involving a sheriff's deputy was justified.

State police to review internal report on fatal shooting involving Marion Co. deputy

But... but... but... there was an INVESTIGATION! We WAITED for it! It cleared the officers! It found the shooting justified!

What do you want to go get an independent review for?!

Are they off their meds over there?!

Tom C
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Sergeant Vince Ariaz liked

Sergeant Vince Ariaz liked what he saw in 15-year-old "Maggie." Eager to please, in awe of police work and seeking a trustworthy authority figure in her life, the shy brunette was an ideal fit for the Brownwood, Texas, Police Department's Explorer program.

In recent decades, more than 100 police officers have had sex with Explorers they were entrusted with mentoring, the vast majority of them underage

Hands-On Experience

Tom C
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The county has paid a deaf

The county has paid a deaf man $200,000 to settle a lawsuit.

Facciponti claimed Pyles punched him in the chest for no reason.

... an emergency medical technician employed by the county witnessed the incident and that Pyles merely placed a note on Facciponti's chest in an attempt to get his attention.

"Much of the incident appears to be a matter of perception,", a spokesman for the State's Attorney Office, said at the time.

County settles police brutality suit ; Pays $200,000 to deaf man who called 911

"A matter of perception"? So, a deaf man is trying to communicate with the cop, but the cop SAYS he "perceived" the citizen assaulted him.

I guess that was a BAD CHOICE made by the cop!

However, because he can say he BELIEVED he was being assaulted - he's still on the force!

And the taxpayers pick up the tab!

What a system! Why would the police want to change THIS? It's working great for them!

Tom C
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Another unarmed citizen shot

Another unarmed citizen shot by police:

A St. Louis police officer shot a man during a traffic stop Friday night after he failed to comply with officers' demands and reached for something in the waistband of his pants, police said.

Police did not locate a gun on the man or in the car, Capt. Michael Sack said. Police realized after the shooting the man was reaching for a cellphone in his pants.

St. Louis police shoot, critically injure man during a traffic stop

Oops! Looks like the officer made a BAD CHOICE!

But, hey, as long as the officer can SAY he BELIEIVED his life was in danger - it will be the citizen who pays for the officer's BAD CHOICE!

Of course the cops like this system!

It's almost impossible for them to lose!

thejohnchapman
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Tom: Sabato Raia agrees. He

Tom:

Sabato Raia agrees. He was not a law enforcement officer. Still isn't.

Tom C
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Amy Dugas and Vella Gogan,

Amy Dugas and Vella Gogan, too.

Bobbo
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Not sure why Tom dislikes

Not sure why Tom dislikes LEOs so much but guess what, I can cut and paste too!!

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-12-12/us/us_law-enforcement-deaths-2011_1_d...
Number of police officers killed in line of duty spikes in 2011

As far as Collender from this link back on page 3.. http://orangecountyda.com/docs/ocda_report_officer-involved-shooting_inv...

The only thing that I can see that the officer did wrong was to not double tap him center mass as he likely got lucky as a .223 does not have the energy to drop someone in their tracks and the perp could have gotten off a shot (or many) after being shot in the abdomen. He also could have pulled his 12 ga with a slug then an abdomen shot would have had the energy to dump the guy in his tracks.

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There are many bad cops out

There are many bad cops out there and the advent of camera phones has shown that and has weeded many out and will continue to do so. BUT there are more bad people out there that are more than happy to take a swing at LEOs or pull weapons. A LEO has to be vigilant EVERY time they make contact with a suspect while a bad guy only needs to get lucky once!!

What people need to do is listen to instructions given and when police are doing their jobs, stay out of their way and do not crowd them which causes high levels of anxiety. The very first post shows how police can feel threatened by many people walking up behind them while they are simply trying to clear a scene. If the "ametuer Michael Moores" shown in that cut would have simply backed away from a tense scene then the police would not have had to guide them out of the area. I didn't see any of the LEOs strike or abuse any of the people in that clip. The guy that came up behind the officer at 1:20 is REALLY lucky that he didn't catch a face full of mace regardless of his intentions to help.

Don't wanna get hurt.....sit down immediately when a LEO tells you to. Then work it out with them once the situation is calmed.

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Bobbo: The same "reasonable

Bobbo:

The same "reasonable belief" standard that applies to a cop's actions also applies to a CIVILIAN'S actions. That's why Sabato Raia was acquitted. The forensics showed three shotings at his home that were a lot like an execution. However, because these were the world's worst guys, and this was known to Raia, the jury was convinced that his decision to shoot three UNARMED people was reasonable.

Under Maine law, there are two major practical differences in law surounding use of deadly force, between police and civilians.

The first cuts in FAVOR of a private citizen. If an officer directs a civilian to use deadly force and he does, the civilian gets a pass unless he thinks he's being given an illegal directive ("the private person believes the officer is authorized to use deadly force under the circumstances"). The citizen's belief doesn't need to be reasonable. LEOs don't get such a break.

The section 104 "terminate criminal trespass" (shoot a burglar) provision is unavailable to cops acting in that capacity. It justifies dwelling place occupants only. Again - MORE leeway to private citizens than police.

Cops do get a break in "use of deadly force to effect an arrest". They get the "reasonable belief" standard. Private citizens have to be right.

In cases of alleged self or "innocent 3rd person" defense, the standard is the same.

Tom C
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Not sure why Tom dislikes

Not sure why Tom dislikes LEOs so much

Errr... Did you see my thread: Police "good work" department ?

Number of police officers killed in line of duty spikes in 2011

Here's a list of the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America:
#1 COMMERCIAL FISHING:
•116 Deaths per 100,000 in 2010;
•129 deaths and 61 injuries per 100,000 for 2008.
2. Loggers and related: 91.9/100,000 -- Same place rank as 2008.
3. Aircraft Pilots and Flight Engineers: 70.6 -- Up from #6 in 2008.
4. Farmers and Ranchers: 41.4 -- Same place rank as 2008.
5. Mining Machine Operators: 38.7 -- Up from #8 in 2008.
6. Roofers: 32.4 -- Up from #7 in 2008, becoming more deadly.
7. Refuse and Recyclable Materials Collectors: 29.8 -- Down from #5 in 2008
8. Driver/Sales Workers and Truck Drivers: 21.8 -- Up from #17 in 2008.
9. Industrial Machinery Installation, Repair and Maintenance Workers: 20.3
10. Police and Sheriff's Officers: 18.0 -- Up from #12 in 2008.

Police are number 10.

You know what's a more dangerous job than Police Officer?

Pizza delivery driver.

So when the Domino's guy comes to your door, shake his hand warmly and say: "Thank you for your service."

You know what group also fares more poorly than police officers?

Unarmed people encountering police:

Nearly once a month, on average, police shot someone who had no weapon.

"I can see (shooting) if somebody comes at you with a knife or a gun, but ... these people are unarmed," said Sylvia Gonzales, executive director of the local League of United Latin American Citizens chapter.

One in three police shootings involve unarmed people

So, Bobbo, if you just want to blindly attack the messenger, go right ahead. That seem to be a common tactic among the "Police can do no wrong crowd."

But if you want facts, I got 'em.

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