Does Maine need occupational licensing reform?

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mainemom
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Does Maine need occupational licensing reform?

My daughter is a Registered Nurse, certified to work in Maine.
She was looking at which states have reciprocal certification agreements with Maine.
It made me think, doesn't Maine need more nurses, especially young ones?
Wouldn't Maine want to accept certifications from other states to make it easier for nurses to relocate here?
Don't hold out for other states to accept Maine certifications - just do it, for the benefit of our state.

Ditto for many other occupations requiring licenses or certifications.
I didn't know, "A 2015 Current Population Survey shows Maine had the highest unadjusted rate of licensure in the US (30.2 percent) among employed workers."

"Not only does a significant portion of Maine’s workforce have to be licensed, Maine requires licenses for far more occupations than most states. A 2007 report published by the Reason Foundation found that Maine licenses 134 individual occupations, the third highest total in the country..."

Occupational licensing reform should be a slam dunk for the legislature. Frame it as a measure to open things up for young people and immigrants.

Forget the minimum wage – licensing reform will lift Mainers out of poverty

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From many years ago. My wife

From many years ago. My wife ,a teacher had to deal with Dept. of Eduction on a license issue.
Called Augusta and asked staff member the question. The answer immediately given ,was she had to wait till ladies room was available!
Quite perplexed until it was found out the files were kept in ladies room due to lack of space in old Dept. building.

Obviously things probably haven't got much better.

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Yes, Maine and most other

Yes, Maine and most other States need to reform their silly licensing laws. The link below is to an article that discusses this issue. There in no reason to require a license for many jobs. Maine does require them to a) show the government's power and control over our lives and b) corruptly abet the businesses who don't want more competition.

As the article notes, Maine did abolish the licensing requirement for "hair braiding". Big of them isn't it?

You can't do that...no, no

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I don't know if many

I don't know if many trainings and licenses help at all. Sounds like the Maine government has too much time on its hands.

Licensing sign language? How good are these trainings and license exams?

That said, perhaps people should be licensed to write and/or speak English. So many do it so poorly.

Oh, wait! That's what the schools are for... and they're doing such a great job!

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I agree with questioning

I agree with questioning system but having some idea of just what lead to them and the validity of testing
is wise before to many judgements are made.
sounds ridiculous on face value.

If one works in an industry operating machinery and doing so requires operators to control long hair then the braid can become important.

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Bruce - "If one works in an

Bruce - "If one works in an industry operating machinery and doing so requires operators to control long hair then the braid can become important."

This law affects mostly black women braiding other black women's hair. The licensing is to insure the job is done safely. How unsafe can braiding hair be? We are not talking about what the braidee does after he gets his dreadlocks braided...that is beyond the hair braider's responsibility and beyond governments mandate.

From the Brookings Institute:

"WHAT IS LICENSING FOR? - Typically, customers face few adverse effects from low-quality work, or they can readily evaluate the work’s quality themselves. For instance, customers can choose a tailor and decide whether the pant hemming done is satisfactory, all without benefit of a license. Potential problems arise, however, when work quality is difficult to observe and harm from low-quality work is substantial. "

The key is ...can there be a risk of substantial harm if a task is done poorly? If not....no license required?

This is not a small matter. Again, from Brookings:

"As a recent paper from the Brookings Hamilton Project shows, occupations now requiring a state license include hair-dressing, auctioneering, makeup artistry, and scrap metal recycling,” the institute’s report noted.

In addition to creating barriers to employment, licensing laws also drive up the prices of goods and services, adding between 3 percent and 16 percent to the overall cost."

Frivolous licensing requirements costs lots of money, it retards job opportunities, it protects the establishment, stifles innovation and wastes thousands and thousand of hours of time.

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The answer is yes. It's part

The answer is yes. It's part of the reason we left Maine. In 2012, we had a bill in the legislature that would create reciprocity with New Hampshire... LD 947 I believe. Every lobbyist in the state showed up to testify against it. Literally. Including for the boards of Realtors. Nurses, Doctors even CPAs (adding and subtracting must be very different between our two states.)

Only a few people, (who actually have to work for a living M-F) were able to show up and testify in favor of the bill. It died in committee. A few GOP members were out that day due to various reasons. (Including a death in the family)

If you're willing to work for a living, then you gotta get out of Maine. I know I'm pretty happy not paying income tax and sales tax. Was just able to buy a brand new full size pick up. Tax savings alone were almost $2000. Gas is 10 cents cheaper too here.

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Equally as concerning, during

Equally as concerning, during last falls hurricane that hit Puerto Rico, many doctors there were without work as clinic were closed and transportation at a standstill...with reciprocity those doctors could have come to Maine and filled in for shortages and earned enough to offset expenses. Maine said NO

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I generally agree that

I generally agree that occupational licensing needs work. But I'd really rather get a nurse that can draw blood without mangling my arm. Or, worse, in a real medical emergency.

Is there a way to enforce quality without excessive regulation?

mainemom
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Accepting RN licenses from

Accepting RN licenses from other US states would be a good start, don't you think?

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Possibly ,after my daughter

Possibly ,after my daughter worked out of state traveling ,particularly down south, it is questionable how wise it maybe.
She found there was a significant gap between programs to train nurses.
For all the talk against college level programs a degree from most Northern schools carries more weight than other areas of country.

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I guess you could be

I guess you could be selective about it - for example there's probably not a big difference between Maine and NH and Mass, but you could deny states whose requirements don't meet our standards.

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More than 40 years ago I was

More than 40 years ago I was the driver for Peter Mill, the Federal DA for Maine. As we travelled up Rout 4 from his office in Portland, heading for Farmington, the conversation tuned to licensing I noted that barbers were licensed. He said when he was in charge of the Senate, I think, and he was very sorry that that the licensing regulation was passed. He regretted it. If I recall correctly he said that the free market could take care of bad barbers.

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Bruce, training in the

Bruce, training in the Northeast in almost any profession seems to carry more weight in other parts of the country. When tradespeople go south to help with insurance claims after hurricanes and floods they are often told how much quicker they work and how their work is better.

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Several years ago I had a

Several years ago I had a contract to do some work for a department store in Indianapolis. The interesting thing was I get to work at the store about 7am and the regular company crew arrived at 9am. At 10 the took 1/2 hour coffee break. At noon the took a 2 hour lunch break. I had coffee at my desk and bought a lunch to bring to my desk. Then I'd leave around 3:30. This went on for a week I went home and went back the next week to the same routine. BTW I stayed at the Race-way motel while there.

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I knoiw this study is dated

I know this study is dated now. http://ij.org/report/license-to-work/ltw-state-data/?state=me It still highlights the problem. I blame overly protective industry lobbyists.

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Doesn't a lack of common

Doesn't a lack of common sense in regulations usually come down to what the lobbyists want?

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the free market could take

the free market could take care of bad barbers.

attic owl, I think Peter Mills is right. It's unfortunate his sister doesn't subscribe to the same philosophy.

The burdensome licensing regs in Maine are a deterrent to job growth in some areas. Many of these licenses are unnecessary.

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Blue Jay Janet Mills is his

Blue Jay Janet Mills is his daughter. I was referring in Peter Mills senior.

It is clear that special interests always try to limit competition hence regulations.

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Recent article from Maine
Bruce Libby
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I note the lack of any

I note the lack of any mention of the sale of her business in Texas.

As for the costs listed.
The reapplication fees are wrong. Always submit proof of mailing items,cost about $3.00 .

The independent practice fee is over the top. Combine with the other one problem solved.

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Work Permits? Isn't that just
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Here's a new look at this

Here's a new look at this issue. Some good points are contained in this piece.

Licensing reform can help attract talent to Maine
http://www.themainewire.com/2018/07/licensing-reform-attract-talent-main...

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While not disagreeing I ask

While not disagreeing I ask this.
If one is a licensed professional/worker and considering a move here ,how much of this is a responsibility
of the individual in preparation for the move ?

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While not disagreeing I ask

While not disagreeing I ask this.
If one is a licensed professional/worker and considering a move here ,how much of this is a responsibility
of the individual in preparation for the move ?
I also find it interesting article recognizes the alleged burden of paper work time to get approval etc. ,coming form the organization that champions against over spending in government ! If this is really a problem than solution could be allocating more resources to ensure things happen quicker !
I do agree that entire licensing needs and standards be evaluated.

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