Does a Maine welfare mother pull in $54,000?

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Does a Maine welfare mother pull in $54,000?

The number was a real shocker when we first heard it: A single mother in Maine with two children working at minimum wage would have the equivalent income, when state benefits are added in, of $54,000 per year.

We thought this might come as a big surprise to most single welfare mothers.

State Rep. Brian Duprey of Hampden apparently first offered the example during debate on the House floor of a proposal to increase Maine's minimum wage.

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Bob Stone
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I'd like to see the $54,000 backed up with a cogent explanation. It doesn't help to throw figures around if one can't substantiate them.

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[quote]Sen. Snowe-Mello called the numbers "definitely true," and said she's had "a lot of people calling, they were just amazed. We've got the most plush welfare system in the United States," she said. "People do come to Maine to get on the welfare system ..."[/quote]

Bob Stone
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Does a Maine welfare mother pull in $54,000?

Let's see the data.

Kris Watson
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Let me give this a shot:
wages---------------------------------------------------------$13000
$0 deductable medical benifit-------------------------------$15000
Section 8 housing---------------------------------------------$7000
Food stamps---------------------------------------------------$4000
heating assistance--------------------------------------------$2000
Child care assistance-----------------------------------------$6000
Child support--------------------------------------------------$7000
TOTAL---------------------------------------------------------$54000

These are just wags, but I can see it happening.

LMD
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I'd like to see the data too, but it isn't that hard to believe if you consider (after subtracting $13,520 for minimun wage job annually) all the benefits totalled may be equivalent to ~$40K -
TANF for the family of three
Foodstamps
Mainecare/Cubcare costs

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Those benefits are tax free, too. That would bump the number up another 30%

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Kris...you left out my favorite "benefit". She would also qualify for free PET spaying/neutering. And of course, the free vehicle repair benefits.

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I'm willing to bet it is close to that.Foodstamps,AFDC/child support,Mainecare,WIC,Section8 housing,Lifeline(phone,electric help),HEAP,FREE Day Care,Free Lunch/breakfast at school,Food Pantry,FREE public Transportation,plus all the Town give aways on top of Tax free income which makes her eligable for a couple of grand Earned income credit on her Federal Income Tax return.I'm SURE I'm missing a few.Feel free to add more. :shock:

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I'm confused

[quote="maineman64"]Kris...you left out my favorite "benefit". She would also qualify for free PET spaying/neutering. And of course, the free vehicle repair benefits.[/quote]

Do we really have a free vehicle repair benefit in this state? I've never heard of that.

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[quote="Earl Nickerson . Jr"]Earned income credit on her Federal Income Tax return.[/quote]

I really wish they would rename this to reflect what it is: UNearned income tax credit.

Bob Stone
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I have heard of our new neighbors showing up with car repair vouchers at service stations but I have not witnessed it. Perhaps someone working in this field can help us.

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It "pays" to be poor. Better than a real job.

[quote="Earl Nickerson . Jr"]I'm willing to bet it is close to that.Foodstamps,AFDC/child support,Mainecare,WIC,Section8 housing,Lifeline(phone,electric help),HEAP,FREE Day Care,Free Lunch/breakfast at school,Food Pantry,FREE public Transportation,plus all the Town give aways on top of Tax free income which makes her eligable for a couple of grand Earned income credit on her Federal Income Tax return.I'm SURE I'm missing a few.Feel free to add more. :shock:[/quote]

Free, or very low cost, college eduction....

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No wonder why Maine is called "Vacationland".
It doesn't pay to "work" :cry:
(Yes, I realize the hypothetical mother of two works, blah, blah, blah - I'll 'wager' she has more disposable income than most...)

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[quote="Kris"]Let me give this a shot:
wages---------------------------------------------------------$13000
$0 deductable medical benifit-------------------------------$15000
Section 8 housing---------------------------------------------$7000
Food stamps---------------------------------------------------$4000
heating assistance--------------------------------------------$2000
Child care assistance-----------------------------------------$6000
Child support--------------------------------------------------$7000
TOTAL---------------------------------------------------------$54000

These are just wags, but I can see it happening.[/quote]

It's either that or having kids live on the street. I used to sit back and carp over these kinds of programs till I watched a few friends end up in the system because of events beyond their control. The housing you are complaining about most of you wouldn't live near, much less in, I'm assuming by "child support" you mean TANF. It seems like alot till you try and live in it and by all the rules the system imposes. There are some that are content to live off the system, but the people I know can't wait to be free of it with a job that would support their family.

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Here's the other part of the equation - some of you would be screaming louder had she aborted the hypothetical two kids instead of having them. Now she works fulltime at her minimum wage job, but still requires state aid to raise them.

You can't have it both ways.

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I think I'm going to go get a job at McDonald's! 54K sounds really nice! :x

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These numbers come from Maine Equal Justice Partners and are verified by the Department of Health and Human Services:

Min. Wage (40 hour work week)...........................................................$13,520
ASPIRE/TCC (Child Care Subsidy).......................................................$19,032
Food Stamps......................................................................................$5,200
MaineCare ........................................................................................$13,000
Federal Taxes (Earned Income Credit).................................................$4,716
State Taxes.......................................................................................$0
Social Security Taxes........................................................................-$1,034
COMPARATIVE INCOME AFTER TAXES..................................................$54,434

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If the best I can do to improve on $41k per year is only another $13K then WHY would I want to work?
To match that with a real job, one would have to make about $27 per hour minimum wage!
We have little old ladies living on much less and paying high taxes so this level of living can be had by the lame and the lazy. Those who work should be living better than those who don't work; wether it is by choice or circimstance.

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Dist - no problem. Just wanted to point out the other side of the equation.
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This type of thinking shows how narrow-minded and single focused pro-aborts really are:
"Here's the other part of the equation - some of you would be screaming louder had she aborted the hypothetical two kids instead of having them...
You can't have it both ways."

Try thinking outside your box. Adoption is a viable alternative. There are more than just "two ways".
Now, back to the regularly scheduled program....

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wvrepub -
I'll agree with you to a certain extent, however some people "do" this for a living!
Yes, we've all known people who have needed a helping hand at some point - I don't believe those are the folks who annoy us!
I have an extended family member, Brown University educated, unmarried, one child, who has lived off the system since she graduated 17 years ago!
She doesn't work, she and her daughter rent a small home in Portland. Her child will be attending a very expensive private college next fall.
During "the early years" she and her daughter lived in a small, two-bedroom apartment. Not the best part of town, but we've lived in far worse.

She's made quite a career living off the state and will no doubt continue 'working' for them until she dies.
Hopefully, history won't repeat itself with the daughter.
(And just for the record, I do not think she should have aborted the daughter. Adoption would have been a good option.)

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Sorry - I think instead it demonstrates how one-sided pro-lifers are. They only look at one side of the balance sheet. There are lots of mothers who could simply never in a million years give their babies up for adoption if they carry them to full term. Nor should they have to.

They need help to raise them. Are you saying all welfare mothers should be required to give up their children for adoption if they can't afford to raise them? Do we now base motherhood being allowed on the basis of income?

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[quote]Are you saying all welfare mothers should be required to give up their children for adoption if they can't afford to raise them? Do we now base motherhood being allowed on the basis of income?
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No and No. And that was not my point.

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[quote="LMD"]wvrepub -
I'll agree with you to a certain extent, however some people "do" this for a living!
Yes, we've all known people who have needed a helping hand at some point - I don't believe those are the folks who annoy us!
I have an extended family member, Brown University educated, unmarried, one child, who has lived off the system since she graduated 17 years ago!
She doesn't work, she and her daughter rent a small home in Portland. Her child will be attending a very expensive private college next fall.
During "the early years" she and her daughter lived in a small, two-bedroom apartment. Not the best part of town, but we've lived in far worse.

She's made quite a career living off the state and will no doubt continue 'working' for them until she dies.
Hopefully, history won't repeat itself with the daughter.
(And just for the record, I do not think she should have aborted the daughter. Adoption would have been a good option.)[/quote]

LMD

You'll get no argument from me on that. There's one family I know of in a small town that was 4 generation welfare, the kids having kids at 13-15 and immediately getting on gov. assistance. What was really "funny" was all the top of the line C-Band satallite system (the big 14 ft. dishes that were popular during the 80's& early 90's) receivers that would be outside of rundown shacks all over the countryside. No debate that there's plenty of abuse of the system out there, but for people trying to get out, it can be quite a trap.

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Wow, with all that money you are claiming they are getting, you would think they would all have nice houses and cars . ... . but they don't. So you can make up all the lies and numbers you want, but having seen how people live - i know they don't make any 54000. You people just think if someone needs some help they must be losers and not deserving of your compassion (what little you might have).

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LMD - it may not have been your point, but it's the logical conclusion to the balance sheet if you A) don't want abortions B) won't force mothers to give up their babies for adoption and C) expect these kids to be raised with any semblance of a decent home and nutrition.

Somebody has to pay the bills for it. That "someone" is society at large. To grouse about abortion on the one hand, and then about paying for the results of babies not being aborted on the other, is oxymoronic.

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[quote="LMD"]Now, back to the regularly scheduled program....[/quote]

Touchee' :lol:

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[quote="Kris"]Let me give this a shot:
wages---------------------------------------------------------$13000
$0 deductable medical benifit-------------------------------$15000
Section 8 housing---------------------------------------------$7000
Food stamps---------------------------------------------------$4000
heating assistance--------------------------------------------$2000
Child care assistance-----------------------------------------$6000
Child support--------------------------------------------------$7000
TOTAL---------------------------------------------------------$54000

These are just wags, but I can see it happening.[/quote]

Those numbers look very realistic, how much of that would taxable?

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[quote="maineman64"]Kris...you left out my favorite "benefit". She would also qualify for free PET spaying/neutering. And of course, the [b]free vehicle repair benefits[/b].[/quote]
Are you serious or just being sarcastic?

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[quote="Taxpayer"][quote="maineman64"]Kris...you left out my favorite "benefit". She would also qualify for free PET spaying/neutering. And of course, the free vehicle repair benefits.[/quote]

Do we really have a free vehicle repair benefit in this state? I've never heard of that.[/quote]

Yep! I had a neighbor whose husband walked out on her and 3 kids. After 4 weeks of feeling sorry for herself she decided to get her act together. State paid for her rent, food, schooling to renew her CNA certification, uniforms and shoes for work, health care, dental care, and repairs to the car I gave her ( it needed tires and brake work ). The state would have provided child care but she already had a convientent arrangement with me and we just continued that.

She, and I, were quite amazed at how much the state was willing to provide. Maine's system is good and works well for people who are actually trying to rebuild their lives. Many of the barriers that exist for an isolated person trying to rebuild their lives are taken care of. Problems arise when people actively try to game the system or accept that they will always need to system and don't take steps to improve thier life.

I've seen the system work marvelously, I've seen it abused incredibly. I have no idea how to keep the system working marvelously for the people who hit a hard patch in life and not leave the system open for abuse.

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