Does a Maine welfare mother pull in $54,000?

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Does a Maine welfare mother pull in $54,000?

[quote="The Distributist"]These numbers come from Maine Equal Justice Partners and are verified by the Department of Health and Human Services:

Min. Wage (40 hour work week)...........................................................$13,520
ASPIRE/TCC (Child Care Subsidy).......................................................$19,032
Food Stamps......................................................................................$5,200
MaineCare ........................................................................................$13,000
Federal Taxes (Earned Income Credit).................................................$4,716
State Taxes.......................................................................................$0
Social Security Taxes........................................................................-$1,034
COMPARATIVE INCOME AFTER TAXES..................................................$54,434

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How much of that is taxable?

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The last thing that mother wants to do is get a job that pays 2 times minimum wage/ with no benifits. She would lose her government bennies and have a lot less disposable income. Not to many of those jobs around here anyways, seems the state of Maine has to tax businesses out of the state in order to keep people dependent on the welfare system.

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[quote="Naran"]Sorry - I think instead it demonstrates how one-sided pro-lifers are. They only look at one side of the balance sheet. There are lots of mothers who could simply never in a million years give their babies up for adoption if they carry them to full term. Nor should they have to.

They need help to raise them. Are you saying all welfare mothers should be required to give up their children for adoption if they can't afford to raise them? Do we now base motherhood being allowed on the basis of income?[/quote]

From this pro-lifer's point of view: One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

1. The killing of unborn children is wrong.

2. The out of control welfare state is wrong.

3. A life trumps a dollar every time.

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Sorry, I disagree. Pro-lifers don't want abortions. If those babies aren't aborted, the mothers may possibly need help to raise them. Therefore, state tax dollars are required.

I'm not saying there's no welfare fraud and abuse, but to complain about the benefits supplied and the amount of those benefits, as this thread is doing, is ridiculous coming from those who insist on these children being born.

If you want them born, don't complain about supporting them after they're born.

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Naran: [quote]but to complain about the benefits supplied and the amount of those benefits[/quote]

The point of me posting this article is the State of Maine's majority party gives incentives to be on the dole while penalizing Maine Business for success. Fly Swat

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Pretty nutty arguement, but I'm in.

Your opinion?= If you think welfare and welfare waste and fraud is wrong then you are dumb for wanting the save the unborn children's lives.

My opinion.= I want them born and I don't want my state wasting welfare monies.

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Does anyone on this board remember the days when we took care of our less fortunate neighbors with little or no government coercion? I'm talking about the days before welfare became a [b]right[/b]; before welfare became an entrenched bureaucracy, run with the efficiency only government is capable of.
I've never admired cowardly criminals who use children as shields in order to escape from police. I don't admire people who use children as shields to escape the consequences of their own poor choices, and to force other people to pay for them. A more perfect recipe for destroying the family, for destroying the desire to succeed, for guaranteeing the attainment of mediocrity among our people has never been devised.
Let's give the pot an extra stir. What is the [b]cost[/b] [monetary] to the taxpayer for the government to deliver this alleged $54,000/ year lifestyle to that family?

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First error that I noticed: People who qualify for Section 8 don't qualify for LIHEAP.

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[quote="deadbeat"]First error that I noticed: People who qualify for Section 8 don't qualify for LIHEAP.[/quote]

My numbers were just wags. Looks like Distributist's numbers would be more on the official side and do not include heap-I think.

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Deadbeat, that is incorrect. While section 8 may have an effect on the amount of LIHEAP benefits no one is disqualified automatically simply because they are receiving section 8 housing benefits.

Sorry, but it fully possible to get full section 8 benefits and full LIHEAP benefits. It's dependent on what is covered in the housing costs that section 8 pays for and what isn't.

Go rent a house on section 8, you'll qualify for full LIHEAP benefits.

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I have NO problem giving someone a helping hand till they get on their feet BUT I do have a problem with ALL the abuse.The system should have built in incentives to get off welfare as well as a time limit.The way it is now people are encouraged to stay on the system and they rarely check to see if it is being abused.We all have seen the welfare mom with a couple of kids with a new live-in boyfriend who makes 40 grand a year who gets to live for free and rides around in a new pick-up with a new 4wheeler in the back.Time for some oversite and accountability. :x

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[quote="Kris"]Let me give this a shot:
wages---------------------------------------------------------$13000
$0 deductable medical benifit-------------------------------$15000
Section 8 housing---------------------------------------------$7000
Food stamps---------------------------------------------------$4000
heating assistance--------------------------------------------$2000
Child care assistance-----------------------------------------$6000
Child support--------------------------------------------------$7000
TOTAL---------------------------------------------------------$54000

These are just wags, but I can see it happening.[/quote]

Actually it can't at least not like this if your working most of food stamps goes away the average heating assitance amount is like $400.00 and you can't count insurance at $15,000 it is in essence a group policy and you have to apply group policy rates so cut that in half. Section 8 is based on the market so that varries all over the place - and you can't include child support as state aid its being paid by the other parent. Not saying people don't get support and folks who hit a hard strech need it but to throw out random numbers dosen't do any good.

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I would like to see a benifit decreese for a welfare person who has a child they can't afford. With an incentive to use birth control, the great majority would be very careful. There are lots of ways to not get pregnant besides abortion.

Go after the dads. No named father who can be held responsible for the bills, no benefits. We should be ready to give paternity tests though so false charges can be weeded out.

I have a relitive who the state she was in paid for her, and her two kids, trip to Maine. She has no skills, so the state gave her free collage. She didn't make it through the first semester. Maine should have a program similar to the one in place where she came from. You don't work; free rides south.

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I do not know the actual percentages, but the "typical" welfare recipient is [b]not[/b] the single (as in never married) mother with multiple children. In many (if not most) cases the "system" works pretty well. The majority of recipients do not want to be on welfare. Having said that, I also believe that we need to make changes to eliminate (as much as possible) the ability to cheat or abuse the system.

I have always advocated for some form of "capped" benefit. Those needing assistance could choose from a list of possible benefits and pick those that best meet their need. Each benefit would be given a cost toward the cap. The cap would be based on family size and location.

Al

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Al, that sounds like a reasonable approach. More like the "cafeteria style" health/vacation/sick day benefits some companies offer these days. You get a certain dollar amount, and you can choose from the various items.

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My brother mananged a service station for years. People( mostly women) would come in all the time with state " vouchers" for vehicle repairs. I'm talking engine rebuilds, new transmissions, tires, brake jobs, etc... Not just minor repairs. Many of the vehicles they worked on, were not worth half the cost of the repairs, but the state still authorized them. He used to call the "state" and tell them this, and they would tell him not to worry about it, to go ahead and do the repairs. Sick S@#% !!!!!!! I spoke to a couple of these people from time time, and they told me it was part of a program to help them find work. After all, you can't find work if you don't have a car.

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I certainly don't mind heping out the truly needy, but Maine really needs to re-evaluate who is truly needy. It is amazing how many "disabled" people we have in the system. How about making people work for their checks? It is sad to see the people crowded in front of the homeless shelter(like the one in Bangor on Main St) all day smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee, it looks like a social club. Disgusting abuse.

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UCon did the usually fart in a church number, and then ran out the cathedral doors without so much as a hint of why any of the facts laid out could be wrong.

Thank God for his perfect example of the thinking that has put us where we are.

I remember a few years back posting a non-profit link that prided themselves on doing exactly what is pointed out here...searching all the nooks and crannies to take advantage of every possible benefit, on client's behalf. It was quite "illuminating." I no longer remember who it was, but I imagine it's only gotten worse, and that they (the non-profits) are prospering from their efforts.

And they call the military-industrial complex a threat to our societal underpinnings.

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