Dutson: Shifting Stance on Immigration Will Bear Fruit for Conservatives

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Dutson: Shifting Stance on Immigration Will Bear Fruit for Conservatives

Feb. 12, 2013

Maine Voices: Shifting stance on immigration will bear fruit for conservatives
Support for common-sense reforms will draw a growing demographic and solidify an alliance with business.
By LANCE DUTSON Special to the Press Herald

PORTLAND - It's safe to say that conservative America has still not recovered from the crushing defeat of last fall's election. As we lick our wounds and look to the bleak prospect of another four years of Barack Obama, more and more conservatives are looking to an unlikely issue to lead us out of this electoral abyss: immigration reform.

Conservatives have been in a losing argument on immigration for some time.

Conservatives will not survive politically if we continue to be perceived as the enemy by a growing demographic.

http://www.pressherald.com/opinion/shifting-stance-on-immigration-will-b...

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Shouldn't this be posted

Shouldn't this be posted under the Republicans acting like Dems thread???

Islander
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Ugentoo, you beat me to it. I

Ugentoo, you beat me to it. I was just about to post the same thing .

Ugenetoo
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BANG ! There goes another

BANG !

There goes another toe.

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Charles Krauthammer: Build

Charles Krauthammer: Build low-tech border fence, then give illegal immigrants amnesty

Immigration reform is coming. Let's get it right. What counts as getting it wrong? The 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Act, signed by President Reagan. It granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants and promised border enforcement.

Amnesty came. Enforcement never did. Reagan was swindled.

Press Herald

Islander
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I would not even begin to

I would not even begin to discuss amnesty until a fence is built and we stop the flow of illegals, period. Anything else is a waste of time and an insult to legal immigrants.

Mike G
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Businesses support illegals

Businesses support illegals and legal skilled immigrants?

That in an economy with such a high unemployment rate, especially with our youth. Many of these young unemployed with college degrees and college debt that is not easily paid back.

So we are supposed to encourage immigrants to take the jobs of our youth? Sounds like national suicide and is it another ultimatum for "America must change".

Why don't we deport our children to Mexico and require immigrants be placed in their stead.

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Why don't we deport our

Why don't we deport our children to Mexico and require immigrants be placed in their stead.

Probably cause you couldn't get our "youth" off their parent's couch with a crowbar. Seen a single kid walking around with a snow shovel looking for work this winter? Me neither.

Open the borders - we don't need a police state. The sole condition should be that no one who immigrates here, under whatever auspices, ever gets any government handout. No student loans, no Medicare or Medicaid, no Social Security, no food stamps, $3k vouchers for private schools but no "public" "free" education, nada. Within a decade they would be the real Americans that we no longer are.

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The sole condition should be

The sole condition should be that no one who immigrates here, under whatever auspices, ever gets any government handout. No student loans, no Medicare or Medicaid, no Social Security, no food stamps, $3k vouchers for private schools but no "public" "free" education, nada.

What happens in reality is just the opposite, and the corporations opt to hire H-1B workers at 3rd world wages instead of our youth.

As far as our youth walking around with shovels, that would be a waste of time seeing how we use petroleum products for snow removal, mostly bought with borrowed dollars sent out by uncle sammy.
Most snow is not allowed to settle for more than a few hours, because of the need to get more bread and milk.

As far as immigrants taking over for us Americans, will that be after they have collected the debt?

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Any nation that cannot

Any nation that cannot control it's borders.......is doomed. Two rows of chain link, 100 yds apart, patrolled by dogs and armed guards would work well, easily. Shoot anyone caught between the fences.

Wouldn't have to do this too many times!

Prosecute every single business in the United States that knowingly employs illegal labor, to defeat our laws, and to get cheap workers. Start with the meat packing businsess which is full of illegals, and the vegetable farms and others. We will never stop this until we get serious about punishing those who "profit" from illegal labor.

What's that you say? These companies contribute (bribe) to political campaigns?

Maybe we ought to build that fence around Washington DC.

WC

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Stop being rational, wc.

Stop being rational, wc. It's not becoming, or useful.

Ugenetoo
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Reform the lax welfare rules,

Reform the lax welfare rules, and the former couch surfing rats will take care of the illegal immigrant problem.
If there are no low wage jobs to be had in America, the non Americans will not come here looking for them.

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I thought Clinton and the

I thought Clinton and the republicans ended "welfare as we know it", remember when that cheer went up.

46 million of the nation on food stamps and we borrow it, from ourselves, which increases food prices, inflation, which increases the need for food stamps.

The idea that we need immigrants to work in our society is a farce.

Of course someone who is used to washing their clothes on a rock will probably work harder than someone used to throwing their clothes in a washer, but do we need a generation of rock washers in order to have a productive nation?

On H-1b workers, someone that does not have $150,000 in debt is able to take a job that pays less

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The idea that we need

The idea that we need immigrants to work is not a farce.
There are jobs that need to be done. As long as we pay the low skill (non)worker to stay at home, collecting a welfare check, we will still need someone to do the job.
At this time, illegals fill those positions.

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America should change its

America should change its Southern border rules to mirror those on the Mexican side of the line. I can just hear the howling from the Tijuana brass, right now.

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The idea that we need

The idea that we need immigrants to work in our society is a farce.

No. Without the innovations and talents of immigrants the United States would have a second-class economy.

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In what you refer to,

In what you refer to, economike, I don't think going with just the generic root word 'immigrant' does any service to the discussion.

just like 'fairness,' and other words. Too much left to interpretation.

BTW, I wish someone would total up how many miles of tall, expensive, in some cases very elaborate sound and view barrier walls have been constructed along the highways and byways of this country.

I bet the total would string row after row of parallel walls along the border to the south. In between the walls sounds like a good place for a moat or two, which could provide safe environments for gators and other prized species.

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There are any number of ways

There are any number of ways to stop the influx, but the first step is to make it impossible for anyone, especially politicians, to profit from it.

Mike G
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Without the innovations and

Without the innovations and talents of immigrants the United States would have a second-class economy.

So this is a first class economy?

I'd say the workings of DC that has allowed such a high rate of taxation, money printing, open borders, illegals, welfare/warfare, has lead to a third rate economy. I'd say it was designed to fail. A trillion dollar deficit per year is first rate?

A third world economy, so now some expect our youth to be rock polishers, so some of the upper crust can continue their life style. After all the world needs ditch diggers too, right.

What a novel idea a service economy, that sends all its manufacturing jobs to slave labor countries and promotes debt-ridden education of its children to do nothing but compete for low end service jobs and compete with immigrants rock washers. There is always the military, a sure sign of a first rate economy.

We need illegals and immigrants but not open borders, you are going to let DC decide? Well they are, seems that another amnesty is on the way, not only by the Ds but the business class who want to compete with China with a race to the bottom with our young's future. Way to hold firm.

There are any number of ways to stop the influx, but the first step is to make it impossible for anyone, especially politicians, to profit from it.

Impossible to profit from it?

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Starting with a closed border

Starting with a closed border and all convicted criminals (except capital crime offenders) deported
what is a pragmatic solution ?

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Many profit from thr illegal

Many profit from thr illegal immigrant industry.
The entire US border bureaucracy.
Politicians are paid with votes.
Farmers.

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Many immigrants have bought a

Many immigrants have bought a lot of good things to this country, over the last 150 yrs or so. But the thing that many miss is that up until recent years, those "immigrants" came here "legally" as opposed to sneaking in and violating our laws in the process. But nobody wants to make that distintinction, especially the democrats who get votes from them.

American political races now are being swayed by people who not only have no right to be in the country but should have no right to vote!

We have mega busloads of complete trailer trash, native born Americans, who do not work, do not know how to work, and have no intention of ever working. All they want is all they can get for free. I would trade 10 of them for one immigrant from some other nation, who wishes to come here, legally, and work to provide a better opportunity for himself, who wants to learn the english language and assimilate into our society as quickly as he can, and who believes in his children becoming as well educated as they can, in order to make a better life for themeselves, and make this country better in the process.

We ought to "export" all the politicians who believe in amnesty, as rewarding criminals is unamerican and has very negative consequences for our country, and shoot any of them who try to come back across that fence.

If we don't defend our nation, whatever it takes, we are going to lose it!

WC

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Solution ?

Solution ?

Mike G
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WC We have mega busloads of

WC

We have mega busloads of complete trailer trash, native born Americans, who do not work, do not know how to work, and have no intention of ever working. All they want is all they can get for free. I would trade 10 of them for one immigrant from some other nation,/em>

Were these any of our children?

Chances are they came from The Great Society, but that is not always true. Once, we would say we needed migrant workers to tend the fields, we needed them for blueberry and apples here in Maine. Then it became wreath making or other piece work. The textiles and shoe shops had more or less failed and those jobs went elsewhere much before illegals made it this far.

Of Course we had the Canadians taking American jobs working the woods, Us Americans sure are a bunch of lazy sobs, just can't keep up with good foreign labor.

Now we know Americans can't do any physical labor, but even our over-educated children have no ability to compete with the finest of kind from billion populated nations. Time to roll up the sidewalks and let the Chinese come on in. : )

Can I have another bowl of rice sir.

Solution ?

Round up all the retirees and melt them down for tallow, give their homes and assets to immigrants and just sit back and enjoy the New America

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Solution? Again. End overly

Solution?

Again.
End overly generous welfare benefits to force the lazy to take the jobs that illegals are doing.

It's amazing what kind of work one will do when faced with starvation.

Bruce Libby
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Yes all those things are

Yes all those things are unique but except the welfare thing are they really specific ?
What steps would we take specifically other than welfare changes and close borders.

I thought the woods work was really hurt by high workmen comp. cost and mechanization? But that is for another thread.

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All those factors apply to

All those factors apply to the Canadian workers as well, Bruce.

An unwillingness to work and travel to/live in the work area on the part of American pulpcutters is why Canadian woodsmen are in the Maine woods.

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Reluctant to go ther ebut OK

Reluctant to go ther ebut OK if true and I believe you then if no Americans will do it because of that and Canadians were kept out who would?

Anyway in all likely hood something is gong to happen on the issue.
Dislike for the status quo is evident,what is a pragmatic solution other than the extremes some advocate and in reality are probably impossible
what are the changes needed to deal with the problem.
Future immigrants legal are easy to deal with, that isn't the problem , it is the ones here illegally now that need action.

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If the Canadians were kept

If the Canadians were kept out, the cost to harvest would rise to the point where it would become unfeasable, thereby exacerbating an already seemingly urgent need by large traditional landowners to sell to the enviromental industry, taking the wood and the jobs that go with it away, and replacing it with tacky trinket stands, minimum wage jobs, and control by a federal bureaucracy.

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