The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots (ABC Headline)

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The Emergence of President Obama's Muslim Roots (ABC Headline)

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/06/abc-news-jake-tapper-and...

The other day we heard a comment from a White House aide that never would have been uttered during the primaries or general election campaign.

During a conference call in preparation for President Obama's trip to Cairo, Egypt, where he will address the Muslim world, deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Denis McDonough said "the President himself experienced Islam on three continents before he was able to -- or before he's been able to visit, really, the heart of the Islamic world -- you know, growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father -- obviously Muslim Americans (are) a key part of Illinois and Chicago."

(Obama was) offended when referred to by his initials "BHO," because he considered the use of his middle name, "Hussein," an attempt to frighten voters.

WOW!!! WHO KNEW???? I guess it's finally "politically correct" to talk about Obama's Islamic Roots. Before, the libs said "it's a lie." now, "it doesn't matter."

Now if The One will just release his real birth certificate, all the truth will come out!

Gerald Weinand
ABC blog headline. Change the

ABC blog headline. Change the title of your diary.

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Gearld, It's from the ABC

Gearld,

It's from the ABC News division's Senior White House Correspondent Jake Tapper. Sounds like news to me, the title stands.

No comment on the article itself, Gearld?

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wv_republican - I'm not sure

wv_republican -

I'm not sure of your point with this thread. Are you concerned over Pres. Obama's Muslim roots?

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JIMV
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Nothing new here aside from

Nothing new here aside from him acknowledging what every political opponent has known for a year or so...

Dan Billings
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This thread is offensive and

This thread is offensive and has no place at AMG, IMO.

Why is the religion of anyone's family members relevant to anything?

wv_republican
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No, not concerned. Just

No, not concerned. Just wondering at how much the DNC and the lapdog press did all they could to downplay it, even deny it and now bring it out like it's something good. That's the point. If it was so good, why all the denials and coverup, even to the internal fight over Hillary releasing pics of Obama in traditional Islamic dress?

Do you find it "odd" at all, or just the usual smoke and mirrors liberal look/feel good politics?

Dan, what's so offensive about it? The ABC Senior White House Correspondent is playing it up as a wonderful thing.

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I don't find it offensive.

I don't find it offensive. Neither do I think Jake Tapper is "playig it up as a wonderful thing." Tapper's point, IMO, is that the President is now being more forthcoming about his Muslim roots than he was during the presidential campaign. Why? Because Obama/his campaign team believed doing otherwise would have hurt his chances of getting elected.

A candidate that says one thing during a campaign and does another thing after he's elected. Nothing new there. Now, Obama's being more forthcoming about his Muslim roots may have implications for his upcoming speech in Egypt. Maybe not. Let's see.

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Why is the religion of

Why is the religion of anyone's family members relevant to anything?

The religion isn't relevant - that is the point. It is only used (or suppressed - depending on timing and context) to garner political support or to diminish political harm.

Tapper:

"ABC News' Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report: The other day we heard a comment from a White House aide that never would have been uttered during the primaries or general election campaign..."

Tapper speaks of the "threat" of rumor - the threat being political to the candidate, who played the ball as any politician would - with the counter-threat that those who would refer to his Muslim roots were out to "smear" him.

I don't think this necessarily reflects badly on Obama, who is the current politician in chief, or Muslims, but it does reflect rather poorly on the American electorate, long fed on a diet of political spin that has ruined their natural appetite for political truth.

The immediate reaction of "That's offensive!" "It doesn't belong here (on a political discussion board??)" perfectly illustrates our incapacity for reasoned debate. The presumption of offense is a phony tactic to avoid real discussion, and it's been quite overplayed, don't you think?

Obama has Muslim roots - no worries from me. It isn't his religion but his politics that worry me.

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Warner Todd Huston at Red

Warner Todd Huston at Red State has a similar take on it, and the picture* of Obama looking more silly than pious in Islamic dress here:

"It has been said that everything that Barack Obama says has an “expiration date,” because it isn’t long after he promises something or makes allusion to some policy direction that he chucks the idea under the bus and drives head-long on to the next “promise” to earnestly offer the American people. And it isn’t just his centrist positions he later conveniently reverses himself on, either, as several of his more extremist liberal ideas have gone under the tram, too — much to the chagrin of many lefties that voted for him."

* pathetic isn't, it, this perception that a single picture could derail a presidential campaign? Two things to remember: Stay out of military tanks, and wear your own clothes.

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GASP! A politician

GASP! A politician lied/omitted to mention/spun something to get elected? Well, I'm just shocked.

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GASP! A politician

GASP! A politician lied/omitted to mention/spun something to get elected? Well, I'm just shocked.

Right – that’s just it – no-one really cares because that’s the way it is: politics has subsumed governance. Our range of vision rarely extends beyond the next electoral cycle.

Ho hum.

Of course, we are screwed if we ever need actual leadership again.

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Why is this of concern to

Why is this of concern to anyone? I, for one, wish The Øne would be more outspoken about his Muslim faith. I understood the overarching strategy here was that, by electing a Muslim to be President of the United States, the Islamofascists would view us more tenderly and we could finally put all those nasty memories of people jumping from the burning Twin Towers behind us. All the videobroadcasts of the unfortunate beheadings and all the inflammatory rhetoric about destroying the Great Satan would be considered nothing more than necessary negotiations language.

Hey B. Hussein, you go, girl! We do need real leadership now more than ever!

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A short time ago I received

A short time ago I received an email wherein the question was raised as to what passport Obama was traveling under back in the early 1980's when he flew to the US via Karachi. I understand the US had suspended relations with Pakistan at that time so he wasn't using an American passport. Did he have a British passport, or an Indonesian passport? Inquiring minds want to know.

PHPaul
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Right – that’s just it –

Right – that’s just it – no-one really cares because that’s the way it is: politics has subsumed governance. Our range of vision rarely extends beyond the next electoral cycle. Ho hum. Of course, we are screwed if we ever need actual leadership again.

Don't I know it. That and just plain being too lazy/apathetic to do our own research is why we keep re-electing the same drones. I just wish there were a way to build a fire under enough people to effect term limits via the voting booth.

Of course, that would be predicated on some viable alternative candidates...

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Actually, PHPaul, I don’t

Actually, PHPaul, I don’t think a political solution will solve a political problem, do you?

I think the Obama presidency represents the incorporation of charisma (what the sociologist Max Weber called the routinization of charisma) and the actualization of the professional politician as the de facto ruling class (just as Joseph Schumpeter predicted would happen in a capitalistic democracy). I’m not sure old notions of representational democracy (let’s elect some good guys!) are still valid or even viable.

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Quote:Obama has Muslim roots

[quote]Obama has Muslim roots - no worries from me. It isn't his religion but his politics that worry me[/quote]

That is why this is a non story. His enemies already knew and his friends didn't care. His policies and schemes are far more dangerous than any religious affiliation.

PHPaul
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francisz: Yeah. Scary,

francisz: Yeah. Scary, ain't it.

JIMV: Well, yes, but what concerns me is to what degree his religious affiliation affects his policies.

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PHPaul: I’m not so much

PHPaul: I’m not so much scared as I am puzzled. I don’t think we can turn back the historic, economic, or social forces that got us to this point, but I am curious as to where it will lead. Weber would predict the routine loop or cycle of crisis : change : stasis: crisis… and Schumpeter would predict the stasis of self-interested socialism perpetuated by a class that is hostile to wealth production and benefits instead on the political economy of wealth allocation.

Neither have much appeal, and there is nothing to indicate inevitability – they are theories, after all. But I’m curious to see what happens next. My hunch is it won’t be driven by politics, now locked into its own perpetually ineffectual cycle of voter-fueled performance, but it will be economic – and it will (hopefully) be something like Amartya Sen’s vision of Welfare Economics.

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JIMV: Well, yes, but what

JIMV: Well, yes, but what concerns me is to what degree his religious affiliation affects his policies.

You do have a point there. Evangelical Christians are constantly under attack when they run for office over policies they may enact because of their religious views. Sarah Palin the latest example of a very long list. Why should The One be treated any different?

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Now the AP is relating the

Now the AP is relating the "offensive" story...

There was a time when Barack Obama wasn't eager to highlight his ties to Islam. Now, Obama is the U.S. president. ...Just a year ago, he was a presidential candidate trying to counter false Internet rumors that he was a Muslim as he sought the support of American voters....He also referred to himself by his full name — Barack Hussein Obama — and said he's "known Islam on three continents,"..."As a boy, I spent several years in Indonesia and heard the call of the azaan at the break of dawn and the fall of dusk,"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_islam

Before I get asked "what's my point" again, I wonder how the results the election would have been if The One had been as forthright about his roots, rather than having the DNC and even John McCain go to bat telling people not to use The One's middle name.

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What did Obama or his

What did Obama or his campaign say in 2008 that is contradicted by anything that has come out this week?

During the campaign, he denied (a) being a Muslim and (b) attending a Muslim school when he was a child living in Indonesia. Did he ever deny that he had family members that were Muslim?

What did he or his campaign say that is now shown to be less than truthful?

I think the claim that what he is saying now is somehow contradicted what he said last year is a red hearing to justify old fashioned bigotry.

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No, it's old fashioned spin

No, it's old fashioned spin to create an image, most of what the Obama phenomenon has been. Dan, since you seem to be a PC expert, what kind of "old fashioned bigotry" am I doing? I didn't know naming smoke and mirrors was bigotry.

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It is bigoted to criticize

It is bigoted to criticize someone because of their religion or the religion of their family.

Obama never denied he was related to Muslims.

You are the one engaging in smoke and mirrors to try to hide your true aims.

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Dan, I'll spell it out for

Dan, I'll spell it out for you since you're not getting it. This is aimed at the fawing PC press, as I stated earlier, not Obama. I expect Obama to play smoke and mirrors, he's an empty suit that's tearing the US down. The press are his lapdogs who spin every story to try and make him look good.

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How is the stupid headline

How is the stupid headline and blogpost from Jake Tapper an example of "the fawning press" or "the press as lapdogs"?

It is clear to me why you started this thread. You are backpeddling.

By the way, what would be the legitimate reason to call Obama by his middle name?

You never heard anyone refer to John McCain as John Sidney McCain.

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Quote:GASP! A politician

[quote]GASP! A politician lied/omitted to mention/spun something to get elected? Well, I'm just shocked.

Apparently, it does shock some people -- approximately 1/2 of the voting public -- who believed him when, amid his mantra of "change, change, change," he promised that he was going to end "business as usual" in government.

[quote="francisz"] It isn't his religion but his politics that worry me.

It is neither that worries me. It is his obvious lack of ethics and incapability of being honest. Tricks like saying in a U.S. speech that he would oppose NAFTA, but telling a Canadian official not to worry; it is just campaign rhetoric.

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wv_rep says "(Obama was)

wv_rep says "(Obama was) offended when referred to by his initials "BHO," because he considered the use of his middle name, "Hussein," an attempt to frighten voters."

Do you have any substantiation for that assertion? Wasn't Obama inaugurated as "Barack Hussein Obama?"

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"I wonder how the results the

"I wonder how the results the election would have been if The One had been as forthright about his roots"

He could have beheaded the Pope live on CNN and still won the election.

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Quote from Ave. Joe: Do you

Quote from Ave. Joe: Do you have any substantiation for that assertion? Wasn't Obama inaugurated as "Barack Hussein Obama?"

This Time article spells it out well.

The pundits were quick to applaud McCain's fatwa against the use of Hussein, and broadcasters began trying to report on the controversy without actually saying the name too much, dancing around the offending word as if they were doing a segment on The Vagina Monologues. In both cases, the word comes off as not quite illicit, but certainly a little taboo.

So who gets to say Hussein? At the Oscars, host Jon Stewart took innuendo about as far as it can go, saying that Barack Hussein Obama running today is like a 1940's candidate named Gaydolph Titler.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1718255,00.html

Mike, you're probably right.

Dan, stop trying to mindread. If you want my intention, read what I write. How you get "backpeddling" is beyond me. And if you want topics of "the fawning press" just look at Chris Matthew's Syndrome, a evening news anchor (I forget which one) bowing in respect to Obama (posted another thread on it). If you don't see my point, you're probably infected with CMS, but so are most liberals and the fawning press.

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Chris Matthews? How did he

Chris Matthews? How did he get into this thread?

What does this thread have to do with the fawning press? Is Tapper fawning in the blogpost that started this thread?

What was the point of starting this thread? The only point I see is knocking the President for his father's religion.

I don't have to mind read to understand why you are up to. It is obvious.

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