Is Environmental Policy a Social or Economic Issue?

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MV - High energy prices are something we have to live with in Maine. I don't see any way around that. We're at the end of the energy pipeline in Maine, except for energy provided by wood - which, in the industrial sector, grew rapidly in the early eighties. It more than doubled and has since leveled off. We will see more indigenous energy from wind, but hydro is about tapped out unless we start redeveloping the smaller hydro sites that were abandoned.

We also have to consider ourselves at the end of the pipeline because of transportation costs for both raw materials shipped in and finished products shipped out. We should be considering attracting, and retaining, businesses that manufacture (or provide services) that give high value-added products per unit of energy consumed while, as much as possible, utilizing local resources - including unique labor skills, as well as physical resources. The paper industry, which we've long relied on, is actually the worst performer when it comes to dollar-value-added per unit of energy consumed. Also paper is the worst when it comes to energy used per dollar of goods shipped. The next worst are chemicals, followed by nonmetallic mineral products. Though since we have the raw materials for such things as paper and cement they remain important.

You're right that we need an energy plan, and that plan should include a look at how energy costs and availabilty affect the businesses we want to retain and attract. This has not been given close enough attention and will become more important as conventional energy reserves decline, global geopolitical events beyond our control make supply less certain, and energy costs rise.

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Actually, we are at the [i]beginning[/i] of the pipeline for oil, gasoline, and natural gas coming from the Maritimes.

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Bob, The last I knew there is no pipeline for oil and gasoline coming from the Maritimes, and the end of Sable Island natural gas is in sight. Irving is building an LNG terminal in St. John that, at this point, will serve the Northeast US. But, where that gas ultimately goes will depend on the highest bidder and puts us, like imported oil, at the mercy of whoever has the gas in the ground. Also, keep in mind that Europe is going to be trying to lessen their dependence on Russian natural gas, which adds another twist to things.

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Country, there is a natural gas pipeline running from New Brunswick through Baileyville in maine and then downstate.

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You are correct, I am not suggesting there is a [i]physical[/i] pipeline for oil or gasoline, smart guy. There is no wood pipeline, either.

But there is a fair amount of energy produced just east of us; how much of it travels beyond Maine to it's end user?

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Bogeys - yes, there is a gas pipeline. That's the one that now carries natural gas from Sable Island to Maine, NH, and MA and will be used by Irving later.

Bob, I'm not trying to be a "smart guy", but tell me what energy is [u]produced[/u] to the east of us other than natural gas from Sable Island.

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I am thinking of the refinery in St. John, which serves a lot of Maine towns through Irving gas stations and oil dealers.

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Country,

The Irving refinery in St. John supplies most of the
finished product delivered to the tank farms in Portland.

When Irving was denied the permits to build a new bulk
plant in S. Portland they just built more tankers to create
a floating pipeline for their products. Eliminates that big
property tax bill from South Portland.

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Okay. I wasn't thinking of refineries because Bob had said energy produced, which is a little different from oil refineries. When I think of energy production I'm thinking of holes in the ground, etc.

Bullseye, does their floating pipeline supply finished product to just Irving dealers, or is it also shipped to other brand names?

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