Against gay marriage? Great! Don't get one!
The same Democrat mindset that allowed slavery to exist for years.
But luckily when republicans abolished it they believed in fairness and made laws to make all races equal not just black people.
At least Charlotte admits she is doing it for a special interest that she likes. She embraces her unequal treatment of others. Bigoted yes, but at least not hypocritical.
I "embrace" unequal treatment of others? Nope.
I support two loving committed adults marrying. Spin all you would like...that is it in a nutshell. Two people, marrying. As more and more of the public get to know gays/lesbians they become more accepting. Why shouldn't they? These families are just like their own.
If some on AMG embrace polygamy or marrying one's mother...They can get signatures like I am going to do...again, for free.
Being gay/lesbian is not perverted...to say so is just plain ignorant.
Reaganite, question? I wonder why saying someone is straight is offensive, but calling gays/lesbians perverted is not?
LOL!! Starvos Mentos lecturing someone about being hypocritical. The irony is thick tonight!
Your comparison of marriage to slavery is, of course, ridiculous. That is, unless, that's how you envision marriage.
Being gay/lesbian is not perverted...
Okay Charlotte, sodomy is not perverted? Homosexual society is so perverted most things cannot be posted on AMG.
Robert--if you're going to down the sodomy road (so to speak), there are a great many things in "straight" couples' lives that wouldn't pass the censors on AMG, either.
Two wrongs don't make a right Tim.
charlotte: From dictionary.com -
(of a person or their actions) Characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies
- he whispered perverted obscenities
So, to some, homosexual activity might be considered perverted.
And I didn't bust you for using the term "straight". I busted you for using "str8." I personally find texting abbreviations to be a perversion of the language. See...see how I worked that in? :)
Not surprisingly a witless retort from a witless fool. I did not call you a hypocrit I pointed out your hypocrisy with fact. You merely made a halfwit reply with not a shred of proof.
I am also not surprised you failed to see the comparison I made was to not caring about things unless they effect you personally and slavery. Only once again proving you lack the capacity for rationale thought required in an honest discussion. Work on reading comprehension if you expect to be taken seriously. Otherwise just pop up from under your bridge like other witless trolls.
Oh, and either you have no wife or you treat yours in the same respectful manner Bill Clinton treats his. As to those of us married to conservative wives they expect lots of work, chores and effort from us that we real men dare neither refuse or deny. In many cases that is very much akin to slavery.
And charlotte I spin nothing just your own words.
You would fight for special treatment for people you think are cool. You care nothing for equality.
Had you and your ilk written the civil rights act of 1964 it would have only applied to blacks. You would have let those of Asian and Hispanic decent continue to be discriminated against until they too rose up and became popular enough to finally defend. Luckily, there people were more fair minded both 50 and 150 years ago.
The people today fight for self importance and money, not equality. They care nothing for others discriminated against. They care only for those they deem "cool".
When you look down your nose at those who would practice polygamy or the poor man who cares for his sick mother but cannot add her to his health insurance be sure to say, "Let them eat wedding cake." and bring them a piece from one of your rich gay friends. It will surely ease his burden.
In Big Brother style, adopted by political correctness thugs, the mantra repeates that perversion is no longer perversion and that anyone who says so is a bigot. Businesses are forced to accodomate them, or face discrimination lawsuits by homosexual activists. Churches are accused of hate speach for speaking against them. Government force children to accept perversion as "normal," even from kindergarten and against parents wishes. And we will continue to hold the line and fight against the normalization of perversion. Every state, where the people have had the chance to vote about homosexual "marriage" has been defeated, 100%. The people have spoken, time and again, but Big Brother/PC thugs will never listen.
There is one class of people for whom SSM could probably be passed. That is same sex adoptive parents. They can demonstrate something like a "need" for this. I'll betcha that limited version could be passed easily, because it would address a real need.
For most proponents, however, it isn't about need. It is about flexing political muscle. That gives opponents traction.
Starvy--Gee, what a retort! I guess I struck a nerve! Sorry! Do you talk like that to your slave-master, I mean wife? Oh, by the way, I am married (13 years) probably longer than you have been--or is it were? Anyway, I'm happy to know that you consider yourself a "real man." Now buck up and do your chores! Or back to your Facebook page and go build some Roman thingy.
TJC--thanks for the calm, reasoned response. That's why people who don't always agree with you always respect what you have to say. Except for that Tom C. character.
As to those of us married to conservative wives they expect lots of work, chores and effort from us that we real men dare neither refuse or deny. In many cases that is very much akin to slavery.
Stav, you've got to be kidding here...right?
I work to change the laws, legally for Americans that are discriminated against due to their sexuality. It isn't because they are "cool". How you came up with that silly statement, I won't even try to guess.
Now you are comparing my support for same sex marriage to discrimination against Asian's and Hispanics? Wow, way off the deep end. I won't even bother to go down that road...You are reaching...desperately.
Sounds like you have issues with those you deem "cool"? Some pent up anger against the high school class popular kids? Gays and lesbians have been attacked in schools and society...for decades. They have not been considered the "popular" people.
I support marriage between two loving adults...Again, if you want to marry your mom Stav...you can start your own petition drive. You've been in politics...should be easy for you.
Charlotte, what is stopping you from getting married to your partner? Nothing! Same sex marriage is not illegal.
Charlotte your response is expected and boring.
You continually fail to miss the pint. For a while I thought you did it on purpose to be annoying. Now I understand you do it because you really have nothing to add other than vomiting talking points that have been spoon fed.
Really try to work on reading comprehension. These concepts are not hard to follow.
Discrimination against gays is not similar to discrimination against Asians. I was pointing out how this is just a creation of special rights. It has nothing to do with fairness.
Newsflash, everyone gets picked on in high school. Gays are the only ones people like you care about though. Because its in vogue currently. Probably because back when you were a kid and it was vogue to pick on gays you did nothing so you are trying to alleviate that guilt. I have no guilt to alleviate because I don't wait for things to become popular to support them I support what's right regardless of what others are doing.
And I did, in fact, sponsor a bill to allow anyone to give domestic partner benefits to any person they lived with so long as they shared a home and a checkbook for over 1 year. Way back in 2001.
It was the gay special interest groups who opposed my bill in the Legislature a decade ago. So don't lecture me on equality you only want it for the people you like.
Your disdain and pent up bigotry for those caring for their family members oozes form your comments.
Again, if you want to marry your mom Stav
This statement of personal attack on me for defending someone who cares for a parent and should be allowed to add that parent to their insurance is typical of the same sophomoric remarks a typical bigoted bully would make in high school to someone supporting gays.
I can almost hear the echo of "Go kiss you boyfriend Stav." for standing by my gay friends when they came out not turning my back on them. Back then it was truly about people doing what they want in the privacy of their bedrooms and I supported it. Now its about jamming it in everyone's face and only for one group.
Back then it was about forcing a belief that homosexuality was wrong onto everyone regardless of their views. Now its about forcing a belief that homosexuality is good regardless of the other person's culture or beliefs. I say no thanks to both. People have the right to believe whatever they want and date whoever they want to.
You are no different than those cowards who harassed gays 20 years ago. You couldn't stand up to the bigoted bullies then and you can't now. Now you just ride the wagon because its already moving.
Stavros - perhaps you missed the request, from Reaganite and me (among others), that this thread stay civil in tone, and that people forgo namecalling and abrasive personal language.
Oh you mean like accusing me of wanting to marry my mother, implying I consider marriage like slavery and calling me a hypocrite?
I find it amusing that the people who never resist a chance to single me out and attack me and my integrity personally always run to naran when they get it back.
I try very hard to never make it personal until others do. But i learned a long time ago that if I'm not going to stand up for my name, reputation, integrity and rights against bullies, no one else will. So I don't let these insults go unresponded to. Perhaps I should, but I have found with most bullies letting the behavior continue only makes you more of a target.
I spoke about fairness in my comments.
I am pretty sure my comments before that were not personal in the least. If I am wrong about that I apologize.
OK, Naran. I will try to start over, You make a valid point.
If we were truly to extend married style benefits to all people I would not have a problem with it. I am certain there are many other people who would see this as more fair-minded. As is the case with any new law. If you think you can win without a compromise you do it, if you think you can't you compromise.
The question is do the 3-4% in the middle who will decide this one way or the other care about the fairness to other groups? If you don't think so then throw the polygamists under the bus and go for it. Just don't expect me to believe it has anything to do with letting adults live the way the choose. Because, in my opinion, that is not the driving force.
Thank you, for reconsidering.
BTW -- nobody "ran to" me. I read your comment, and made my own, on my own.
If I don't get your "point" all the time, it is because it is hard to see around your assumptions and accusations. The only point I see, is that you do not see gay and lesbian relationships as equal as their heterosexual peers.
Everyone gets picked on in HS.
Well no, however those who are different or perceived to be different can definately be targeted to be bullied. That includes a number of children, including gay and lesbians kids. As for the whole monologue on "how I only support gays and lesbians because it is vogue..." again, pointless...and untrue.
I want all kids to be protected from bullying. Not because it is "cool/vogue..." because it keeps them safer and is the right thing to do.
As for your attempt to offer gay/lesbian couples some sort of compromise...I appreciate your efforts, but it is not enough. I am making the point that anything other then marriage is 2nd rate. Your inablity to view gay couples as equals to heterosexual couples is just wrong, in my opinion.
I support your thoughts that anyone sho cares for a parent should be allowed to add that parent to their insurance...so we agree on that point. Sounds like a great idea.
What seems to be your point is that as long as gays/lesbians stay hiding in their homes...quietly...you are ok with them. As soon as those "gay friends" wish to celebrate their love and family as heterosexual couples do on a daily basis, you get upset. Right?
No one is trying to force anything on you. How is a gay marriage going to harm you? Answer: it won't. That said, it shouldn't be your right to decide how your gay friends will celebrate their unions.
As for your personal attacks, been there...done that. I have fought for those picked on "the underdogs" for years....simply because it is just. It is the right thing to do. I could give a rip what is "cool". So it sounds like we both have that in common too.
That is a start.
Charlotte, what is stopping you from getting married? Same sex marriage is not illegal. Tie the knot.
I want all kids to be protected from bullying. Not because it is "cool/vogue..." because it keeps them safer and is the right thing to do.
I agree ALL kids. We do not single out special groups for protection. We protect all equally.
I am making the point that anything other then marriage is 2nd rate. Your inablity to view gay couples as equals to heterosexual couples is just wrong, in my opinion.
Yes, that is your opinion Charlotte, which you are entitled to. My opinion is that marriage is the union of a man & woman which produces life. This can not naturally be duplicated by same sex unions therefore they are not equal.
No one is trying to force anything on you. How is a gay marriage going to harm you?
Unfortunately, Charlotte I have been watching the results of laws passed in the last several years that have infringed on the rights of those of us who have a different opinion than you. When you need to enact laws to force your opinion on others, something is drastically wrong.
From west virginia;
Churches are accused of hate speach for speaking against them.
Hilarious. No more than when someone says something negative about this religion or that. It's okay for churches to speak out against homosexuality, but criticize a church for that stance and the "hate" accusations start to fly.
Churches so often state as fact that (for instance) homosexuality is a sin and wrong and perverted, that because the Bible says so, it is so. I'd give their statements more credibility if it was stated as their opinion or their interpretation of the Bible. There are many, many people in this world who don't live by the Bible and don't believe what is says, and their opinions may differ from yours.
Go ahead and live your life by whatever set of religious beliefs you'd like. It's one of the great things about this country. But don't try to tell the rest of us we have to share those beliefs with you, because you have no right to impose them on us.
Maine we agree...protect all kids. As far as marriage is concerned plenty of heterosexual marriages do not produce children. In addition, plenty of heterosexual couples use the same methods of starting a family that gays/lesbians do. Finally Maine, please let me know how same sex marriage "infringes" on your rights. A few examples would be great.
"Go ahead and live your life by whatever set of religious beliefs you'd like. It's one of the great things about this country. But don't try to tell the rest of us we have to share those beliefs with you, because you have no right to impose them on us."
Yes, Bobbie baby, we do.
Every person, every organization, every movement, religious, non-religious, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-homosexual "marriage", anti-homosexual "marriage", sox fan, yankee fan, etc. etc. etc. has every right to try to impose their beliefs on everyone else. That's what happens in a democratic republic. Every day, every week, every month, every year. If I can get enough people to agree with me to outnumber the people that agree with you, then we get to set the rules. If you get enough perverts to agree with you, then you get to set the rules. Whether it's Biblical or not is irrelevant. And always remember, your disbelief in the Bible doesn't render the Bible untrue, any more than my belief that it is, does. But if you're right, neither of us wins; but if I'm right, one of us does. And it won't be you, unfortunately for you.
Once again ,AMG leads the way,Popcorn sales have risen and wil continue to do so because of this thread!!!
Some of us do not want to discriminate against anyone, Charlotte is just fine with discrimination so long as it is someone else and not her special interest. It has absolutely nothing to do with equality, they use the word equality to make people feel guilty. It is the progressive way. I mean who could be against equality, Charlotte and the homosexual marriage crowd that's who.
Tom Madison:Every person, every organization, every movement, religious, non-religious, pro-abortion, anti-abortion, pro-homosexual "marriage", anti-homosexual "marriage", sox fan, yankee fan, etc. etc. etc. has every right to try to impose their beliefs on everyone else. That's what happens in a democratic republic. Every day, every week, every month, every year. If I can get enough people to agree with me to outnumber the people that agree with you, then we get to set the rules.
Exactly right no one should be silenced because of their opinon.
Charlotte: Finally Maine, please let me know how same sex marriage "infringes" on your rights. A few examples would be great
There are a plethora of examples here:http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html
My opinion: This is confusion and to suggest that it is perfectly normal and something to embrace like Mom & apple pie is ridiculous.
While I agree that we ought to recognize all 'loving and committed' relationships, I do chuckle at the 'equality for all' fluff. Even if we did recognize same sex marriage, not all consenting adults could get married.
Yea I know what you mean...Strange how Timmy , Char and others can call names and hurl insults it all the time and nothing is said..Oh well , carry on...