Firearms manufacturers being courted by Texas and others...

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Crow99
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Firearms manufacturers being courted by Texas and others...

I see where Texas and other states are courting firearms and ammunition manufacturers and others from "firearms unfriendly" states to move to their more friendly environments. Why isn't Maine jumping all over this? These are good manufacturing jobs in a booming (no pun intended) industry. They build value, pay taxes and provide jobs. Oh wait.. We're number 50(?) on the Forbes business friendly list and we' re stuck between various rocks (the other gun unfriendly New England states plus NY and NJ) and a hard place (Canada.) But still, why aren't we jumping all over this?? This sort of opportunity doesn't come along every day.

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Creedmore, a large rifle

Creedmore, a large rifle competition goods company from California has already made the choice to move to Alabama. I hope that many more even larger companies such as Remington, S&W choose to move as well. With what New York state has done with their new gun laws Remington ought to be packing up right now and moving elsewhere. Hit these idiots where it hurts, in the pocketbook.

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It's quite a shame that our

It's quite a shame that our elected representatives couldn't find the intestinal fortitude to switch Maine to a right to work state when they were in the majority. Then Maine would be positioned to make a play for these businesses, as Maine workers have the skills (S&W, Windham Weapontry, BIW, etc) to make any firearms/ammunition company stand up and take notice.

Mike Travers
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If they must go through the

If they must go through the inconvenience of moving, they're not going to move to a place a little better than where they are now. They're going to move to the place that is the best choice. We have a long way to go to be truly competitive with a lot of Democrats and weak sister Republicans resisting us at every step. If we'd been able to bring our energy costs down we'd have a chance of competing, but we were hamstrung by some Republican quislings.

Rebecca
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A week ago messages were sent

A week ago messages were sent to Reps Lockman, Thomas and Sen Burns. They were encouraged to make an arrangement with the Gov. to contact Magpul and (I would hope)invite as many manufacturers as could be contacted to consider moving to Maine. The invitation wold come from the Governors office and through a bipartisan agreement, to give them tax incentives and or and aid as may be required to relocate here. The jobs and payrolls would be a tremendous boon to this state and would also give the Legislature and Governor a needed morale boost as well as additional confidence from the people of Maine. It is myy hope that they can come to an agreement between Reps. & Dems. to perform this miracle of bipartisanship for the benefit of Maine

Crow99
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Rebecca, do you have any

Rebecca, do you have any further info on this? I've been thinking this would be a good idea for a long time, but it's apparent that localities alone can't get the job done by themselves, and that it will take state level input if the effort is to work at all.
I also agree that if we're only "a little better," that reduces our attractiveness, but I also think that not everyone will want to move to Texas or North Carolina or whatever anyway. Here's some excellent incentive to do something about our business climate right away and maybe show some really positive results.

Rebecca
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Issue #1: Maine is rated as

Issue #1: Maine is rated as the #1 WORST state in which to try to do business. It would definitely require that for any business to come to this state; a radical change must take place in our tax system. The legislature has tried to tax everything it can to float many ridiculous ideas which have been , shall we say, somewhat less that exemplary. It would require that the Governor along with the legislature grant a special status to any business coming into this stane in a effort to attract them. This would mean that special tax rates would need to be considered, that the State itself might be required to cover some or al of the costs ofm moving a business here. It might require that a willing community be engaged to construct facilities an then lease then to the business in question. I believe that several of the cities have gone this route dating back to when the laew was passed allowing this type of development to happen. That goes back over 100 years but I can not remember under which statute to find it..

It is no small task and it would absolutely REQUIRE that ANY of the proposed gun laws now being proposed as restricting firearms access or usage be resolved as being DEAD IN COMMITTEE before ANY firearms related business would move it's operation here. This would definitely put the Democrats in a dilemma. IF they support the gun bills restricting firearms, then that would mean that they would be AGAINST new business in Maine. That they would be seen as supporting the Governor in attracting new business to Maine would be distasteful to them. So much so that I think that SOME of them would sacrifice the the economic recovery of this state for their own personal agenda or that of out of state interests from whom they received the wording of their proposals.

Were the Governor successful in bringing Magpul to this state, there would be an immediate increase in revenues to the State treasury since Magpul has a current payroll of 85 MILLION dollars annually. There would be an increase in housing activity as well as an increase in construction activity in building of adequate facilities for the business and some new homes. Magpul would become the premier firearms support industry in the state. That alone would increase the States visibility throughout the country thus increasing interest which may transfer to tourism as well as luring the younger generations to this state to raise children in a state where kids are not killed in school, a place where practically every home is armed and as such is a safer place for their children as most any adult would defend others children as their own no matter whose kids they were.

I recommend that all readers contact their individual legislators and suggest that this happen and that those who do not encourage the invitation of these new businesses to this state be publicly identified and duly noted in the next election. Who knows, it could happen.

Crow99
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I agree completely with what

I agree completely with what you have to say. So have you received any response yet from the legislators?

Rebecca
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Beretta’s future in Maryland
Crow99
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This threat of almost

This threat of almost wholesale relocation by firearms industry players is amazing but not surprising. If Maine can's score at least a few of these, or worse, won't even try, then I truly believe that all is indeed lost.

Rebecca
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Monday morning list: 71 so

Monday morning list: 71 so far and growing. The key is manufacturers not just outlets. ps: FN Herstal just won the military contract for 120,000 m4carbines outbidding Colt and Remington. This may be enough to convince Remington at least to abandon unfriendly territory. It is a sever cut into Colt as well. The military is Colts bread & butter.

New York Boycott Participants:

LaRue Tactical 2-8-13
Olympic Arms 2-12-13
Extreme Firepower Inc, LLC (Per EFI, policy is several years old)
Templar Custom 2-13-13
York Arms 2-13-13
Cheaper Than Dirt 2-15-13
Bullwater Enterprises 2-16-13
West Fork Armory 2-16-13
Smith Enterprise 2-17-13
Alex Arms 2-17-13
Spike’s Tactical 2-18-13
Quality Arms Idaho 2-19-13
Liberty Suppressors 2-19-13
Doublestar Corp 2-19-13 (Includes J&T Distributing & Ace LTD)
American Spirit Arms 2-19-13 (complete with a video!)
Trident Armory 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Head Down Products 2-20-13
J&G Sales 2-20-13
Barrett Firearms 2-20-13
Exile Machine 2-20-13
Tier One Arms 2-15-13 (reported to me 2-20-13)
Bravo Company USA 2-20-13
Primary Weapons Systems 2-21-13 (read my blog post on PWS)
Crusader Weaponry 2-20-13
Top Gun Supply 2-21-13
Kiss Tactical 2-21-13
Clark Fork Tactical 2-21-13
OFA Tactical 2-17-13 (reported to me 2-21-13)
One Source Tactical 2-21-13 (Scroll down to shipping restrictions)
Templar Tactical Arms 2-12-13 (reported 2-21-13)
NEMO Arms 2-21-13 (check out their photo!)
Old Grouch’s Military Surplus 1-15-13 (NOT a typo!)
Big Horn Armory 2-22-13
Midway USA 2-22-13
CMMG Inc 2-22-13
Rocky Top Tactical 2-22-13
Badger Peak 2-22-13
Controlled Chaos Arms 2-22-13
SRT Arms 2-22-13
Norton Firearms 2-22-13
Umlaut Industries 2-22-13
Predator Intelligence 2-2-13 (Read comments)
Citizen Arms 2-23-13 (At the bottom of the page)
Evolution Weaponry 2-17-13
Chaos Arms 2-23-13
Warbirds Custom Guns 2-23-13 (Scroll to the bottom)
JBTAC 2-23-13
Stoner Arms 2-22-13
Ammoclip (Date of policy unknown)
3 Rivers Precision 2-22-13
2A Firearms 2-22-13
Lanco Tactical 2-22-13
Predator Tactical 2-23-13
Arrowhead Shooting Sports 2-23-13
Boise Tactical 2-23-13
Huntertown Arms 2-23-13
Lauer Custom Weaponry 2-22-13 (PDF) (Makers of DuraCoat)
556 Tactical 2-23-13
Iron Goat Guns 2-16-13
Dead Bang Guns (Date of policy unknown)
Southern Appalachian Arms 2-15-13
Thunder Beast Arms (2-22-13)
Delmarva Shooting Supply 2-23-13
OJ’s Gun Shop 2-23-13
OCS Guns 2-23-13
Progressive Micro Devices (Special case, non gun manufacturer. Read my post)
Semper Fi Arms 2-22-13
Climags (date of policy unknown. Scroll down to “Why was my order cancelled?”)
Southwest Shooting Authority 2-8-13
Csspecs Magazines 2-24-13
LWRCI 2-15-13

Earl Nickerson . Jr
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If they must go through the

If they must go through the inconvenience of moving, they're not going to move to a place a little better than where they are now

I agree and toss in they only will want to be where they are truely welcome....It would be great to get a few BUT do we REALLY want them ?? And if we do , who's back yard would it be in ?? Because along with jobs comes places to live , shop and play...Meaning those evil words "change" and "development" from companies "from away" that are just here to steal all our money and ship it out of state..Again I ask , do we REALLY want them ??? Or are we just paying lip service ??

Crow99
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You mean like European paper

You mean like European paper companies, Canadian oil companies, Canadian railroads??? So let's make Maine like we "think" it used to be and never will be again! And we'll have nearly a 200- year history with no visible signs of progress at all.

My impression is that most of these likely- to- move companies are small businesses with maybe 5 to 25 employees who would move here, ship product but not money out of state, and stay here, buy houses, raise their kids, and everything else. I'm not talking about the mega- names like Beretta or Remington, but all the small parts and accessory makers, lower volume gun manufacturers, and so forth. And NIMBY??? Seriously??!!

Earl Nickerson . Jr
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I'm not talking about the

I'm not talking about the mega- names like Beretta or Remington, but all the small parts and accessory makers, lower volume gun manufacturers, and so forth.

So a few small ones that never want to grow bigger might be welcome if they only have very few employees that fit in and aren't noticed..But nothing that would make a significant difference in the job climate....Just as I thought...Lip service...

Crow99
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OK, so let's go after the

OK, so let's go after the mega-names too.. And who the h---- cares if they "fit in" and "aren't noticed?" This is the kind of thinking that has kept Maine a backwater. Like backwater? Fine! You've got it. I think many folks would rather have good jobs and a touch of prosperity though. I'm not saying we should turn it into Connecticut or Massachusetts... heaven forbid! But there IS some room....

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I think it is rather

I think it is rather presumptuous to assume that with any growth, we would be stupid enough to allow our state to become like Mass. or Ct.
I like to think that we could grow and learn from other's mistakes.
But, then again, I'm not in the environmental industry.

Rebecca
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"So a few small ones that

"So a few small ones that never want to grow bigger might be welcome if they only have very few employees that fit in and aren't noticed..But nothing that would make a significant difference in the job climate....Just as I thought...Lip service..."

Are you from Away, Mr Nickerson? because you sure sound like it. The "I've got mine and I don't want any more change in by backyard" attitude is apparent. By all means demean small companies for moving into the State because they may only bring a few jobs with them. But there are many developments of which YOU are not aware and it is happening now and quickly. This State has a tax and spend problem which is being addressed and has been by this Governor much to the consternation of many who leach of the public teat. It is however this same high taxation and economic impediment to business by various bureaucracies which is preventing new business from moving here thus placing Maine in the the not so honorable position of 50th among our 50 States of the best States in which to do business. There will need to be bipartisan agreement to alter that problem in order to attract any new business let alone any of the firearms manufacturing or support services which the firearms industries has as spinoff businesses. But do understand, the firearms industry is NOT just a few small companies, It is a MULTIBILLION dollar industry and the only thing keeping Maine from having a part of the revenue generated by that industry is left wing thinking and ridiculous social programs which tax and spend the necessary investment dollars which could and should be used to further Maine's economic well being.

AM I MAKING MYSELF CLEAR?

Earl Nickerson . Jr
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Huh ?? Are you new here??

Huh ?? Are you new here?? LOL...She doesn't know me very well , does she ?? To quote Bugs Bunny...LOL....Go back and read it again , slowly this time and note the sarcasm (that I should have made more clear) about all the arguements used in the past in regards to large ANYTHING here...LOL...My family were among the very first settlers by the way..Campbell Clan and Nickersons...LOL..I'm on your side girl...LOL..Sorry I wasn't more clear ..Bring on Remington , Winchester , Ruger and anyone else who wants in...And I tire of the "if we let them in we will turn into NJ" scare tactics...It doesn't have to be either or...Just common sense...

Rebecca
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Newcomer huh? My family

Newcomer huh? My family didn't have to settle, We were already here.

Earl Nickerson . Jr
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I see you have a problem with

I see you have a problem with humor as well..Oh well..Nuff said I guess...Moving on...

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