"Gay Exorcism" On YouTube Causes Controversy

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Naran
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Codswallop, pal o' mine. It's

Codswallop, pal o' mine.

It's called THIS THREAD doesn't involve what you went through, or what umpteen percent of those under 15 reportedly went through.

Start another thread, if that's what you want to put forth.

Tom C
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I just stated my experience,

I just stated my experience, it's the truth. So what? I speak from reality, not some abstract theory the gay-rights PR people would have you believe. You are the one that said this story had something to do with "what I went through."

I'm not attacking anyone here. Facts are stubborn things. You can address those, or you can attack me. Your choice.

But I think it's YOU that is having the emotion reaction in this thread based on your feelings about me, and it's because you are unable to address what I have to say, it is a huge blind spot.

It is EASIER for you to attack me than it is to face what I am pointing out.

You can say "gay, gay, gay" all day long, and as long as it is just a word, an abstract concept, you can feel very modern and sophisticated about it.

But don't think about what is REALLY going on. That would really blow your mind.

There is a real chance this kid had engaged in risky and harmful sexual behavior - say at least a third - maybe a much greater chance because he felt he completely identified as a homosexual at such a young age.

Your blindness to that fact, while wholeheartedly condemning a merely enthusiastic prayer group is stunning.

Red Sox pregame show in on in a few. I'll pray for you guys.

Naran
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"MERELY ENTHUSIASTIC",

"MERELY ENTHUSIASTIC", huh?

Tom, from the little I know of you, if someone did to one of your kids what that tape shows those fine, upstanding well-meaning people doing, I have NO DOUBT you'd be arrested for immediate evisceration.

And, pal o' mine, I would be proud to post the cash bail money, on behalf of springing you from the hoosegow.

So, there.
:))))

Tom C
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Yeah, only so you could say

Yeah, only so you could say "I told you so."

When I was about 20 I knew these holy-rollers that would speak in tounges, fall on the ground, writhe and cry out. It was just their way of getting in close with the Holy Spirit. It would freak the heck out of you if you didn't know what was going on.

I wish people would pray for my kids enthusiastically. They need it.

Frostman
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Ok Tom, I’ve been trying to

Ok Tom, I’ve been trying to understand your position in regards to homosexuals. After reading your posts for years now, these are the conclusions I’ve reached. Please tell me if this is right... ;)

1) Homosexuality it an individual choice. It has nothing to do with genetic disposition or environment. Being gay is purely choice...
2) If a 16-year-old is homosexual, he’s been involuntarily raped against his will...
3) Homosexuality can be caused by possession via “homosexual daemon”, and the videoed actions of this “prayer group” are well within the bounds of normalcy...freak me out indeed.

I’m gonna take your earlier advice. I'll stop, and I'll think a minute. Good luck with the kids man...

Naran
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Frosty - AMEN.

Frosty - AMEN.

Frostman
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Go BoSox ;)

Go BoSox ;)

charlotte
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You forgot one frosty....Tom

You forgot one frosty....Tom "believes" Charlotte supports rape.

Rant, rant, rant....

Editor
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D'ya suppose that exorcism

D'ya suppose that exorcism works on web sites?

Michelle Anderson
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Naran wrote:...THIS THREAD

[quote="Naran"]...THIS THREAD doesn't involve...what umpteen percent of those under 15 reportedly went through.'

Really?

This thread seems to be about how a homosexual child is being "mentally abused" by a group of people.

But when you are confronted with the fact that 35% of all homosexuals had sex with older homosexuals before the age of 15, that is something you want to ignore?

So mental abuse of children who identify as homosexuals is important to you, but rape the widespread statutory rape of children is not relevant?

Interesting...

Naran
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Scott - clearly, it doesn't

Scott - clearly, it doesn't work.

LMD
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For those who believe this

For those who believe this homosexual exorcism is 'mental abuse of a child', do you believe that [url=http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/youth_pride/tranny_prom.html]... is also 'mental abuse' of children?

Paul Barrieau
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Amen! Mr. Editor. Faaaareakin

Amen! Mr. Editor.

Faaaareakin Amen

charlotte
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Scott...I don't know. Why

Scott...I don't know. Why don't you try it...

Forcing a child to go through this...is just nuts. I would not force a child to go to a pride event...or transgendered event either.

wv_republican
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Charlotte, So you are for

Charlotte,

So you are for removing homsexuality teaching from the public school system, which equates to a "pride" or "transgendered" event.

Tom C
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these are the conclusions

these are the conclusions I’ve reached.

What is interesting is that NONE of those are things I believe or have stated.

You are so blind with your prejudice against religious people that you just shut out the argument in front of you and instead constantly assume facts not in evidence.

This thread does NOT show that religious people are "bad," instead, careful reading shows a gross bias against religion by a segment of people who can't see a thing past their own prejudices.

Frosty's (and Charlotte's) absurd attributions to me show how far removed from reality these people really are.

"Mr. Boston Leather. This man was an official greeter who greeted every kid who entered the dance floor. He identified himself as a 'leather BDSM fetishist'"

You people are CHOOSING to be clueless.

Traci G
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"McKinney said the boy

"McKinney said the boy approached the church and told her he wanted to be a pastor, but was struggling with his sexuality. “We allow [gay people] to come into our church. We just don’t allow them to come in and continue to live that lifestyle,” she said."

http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/unattractive-women-who-think-...

if the kid consented to this "exorcism" then its a double standard for those that think age of consent for sexual activity with adults is okay being set at 16 to take issue with a 16 year old consenting to an exorcism.

Tom C
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Looks like it was 100% his

Looks like it was 100% his choice. He wanted to be a pastor in the church, for goodness' sakes. He wasn't being forced into this by any means.

Again, as more facts come out, we see the real dishonest motivations behind those spreading this story.

But then, I dunno. I suppose you think passionate prayer is "abuse." I know some people think everything is "abuse." Abuse this, abuse that. Abuse is abuse.

And, of course ALL religious people abuse all the time. That's just the kind of nutty people they are.

But it's a beautiful form of "self-expression" to engage in homsexual activity. As a matter of fact, we encourage all kids to explore that. We should even have classes in the school and tell them what things like "fisting" are about.

You might think those kinds of things are fine. But, for me, I'll stick with the religious crowd here.

Traci G
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"All evidence shows the teen

"All evidence shows the teen came into the church and asked for help and that he willingly participated in the rite"

"However, the first amendment gives the right to freely exercise a religious belief, even an unpopular one "
http://yarok.newsvine.com/_news/2009/06/25/2969167-gay-rights-vs-religio...

Tom C
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Good points, Traci. And, as

Good points, Traci.

And, as you can see from the poll at that link you cited, even with the inflammatory way this event has been presented, and the half-truths and orchetrated "outrage" from those with anti-religious agendas, the fact is that not everyone is falling for this scam.

Domino
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"Again, as more facts come

"Again, as more facts come out, we see the real dishonest motivations behind those spreading this story."

It wasn't some covert operation to infiltrate the church and make them look silly... THEY put this out there for consumption. And, if you think for a MINUTE that they didn't realize this wasn't so controversial that they wouldn't AT LEAST the the publicity of the local news, you are naive.

The Distributist
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TC:You people are CHOOSING to

TC:You people are CHOOSING to be clueless.

To quote a famous troublemaker, forgive them; for they know not what they do. These recruiters of homosexuals, some of whom are seemingly employed to post here first thing in the morning and last thing at night on gay threads only, are victims of a society that failed to teach them anything other than the importance of self-esteem. An ironic result of which is the creation of a generation of people with no self-esteem, willing to fall into the arms (and legs) of the first predator that pays them any attention.

We should not encourage homosexuality to ever become socially acceptable behavior, any more than we should encourage young girls to wear shorts that say "Juicy" or young boys to become leather BDSM fetishists. Society, in its beneficent attempt to normalize abnormal behavior and glamorize mental illness, has caused enormous confusion among large numbers of young people, who, being in a formative state naturally, are prone to pursue the path of least resistance, which history shows, rarely results in any substantial reward.

Frostman
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What is interesting is that

What is interesting is that NONE of those are things I believe or have stated.
You are so blind with your prejudice against religious people that you just shut out the argument in front of you and instead constantly assume facts not in evidence.

My earlier post was no more than a friendly poking Tom.

And I do acknowledge my prejudice against those that would believe in “homosexual daemons”. Sounds more like an L.R. Hubbard fantasy story...but well within his rights.

Though calling me “blind with prejudice” is comically ironic. More comically ironic is you (after claiming this kid has been raped against his will, and that Char supports that) would then say I “constantly assume facts not in evident”. Seriously, I laughed out loud!

Brew some coffee...the caffeine might help fight the delusion...

Frosty's (and Charlotte's) absurd attributions to me show how far removed from reality these people really are.

Again, it was more a friendly joke than “absurd attribution”. But let’s remember: you’re the man supporting the exorcism of a “homosexual daemon”...while believing I’m the one “far removed from reality”. Hope everyone’s paying attention...

Tom C
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Frosty, my friend, where did

Frosty, my friend, where did I say THIS KID was "raped against his will"?

I went back and counted, you've attributed "against his will" to me four times, but I never said that at all.

Me saying "against his will" is a "fact not in evidence."

It's like you think if you say it enough times it becomes truth.

Frostman
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Was I reading too much in? A

Was I reading too much in? A lie? Hmmm...lets review

From the first page:

I said – “You believe Char would have “no problem” with a 16-year-old being forced to have homosexual sex against their will? Seriously?”
You said – “The kid was supposedly homosexual, frosty. What do you think that means? “

Extrapolate - "What do I think it means?". What was I supposed to infer from this?

I said – “Homosexual automatically means he is being forced to have sex against his will? That he's being raped?”
You said – “The gay-rights crowd is telling us the kid was SIXTEEN. So, who is he having sex with?”

Extrapolate

In coming to that conclusion, how far do you think the jump was, friend Tom?

Tom C
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I have read over those

I have read over those comments and the "against his will" is soley your construct only.

Sorry, pal, but you are the one who said it and I never did.

Maybe you did it to create a straw man, but I never took the bait. "Extrapolate"? Pul-eeze.

As far as what conclusion you want to jump to, leap away.

Frostman
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I said “...16-year-old being

I said “...16-year-old being forced to have homosexual sex against their will”, to which you replied, “The kid was supposedly homosexual, frosty. What do you think that means?"

What do YOU think THAT means Tom...?

Online interact inherently comes with a certain degree of ambiguity when trying to interpolate meaning from the written word, but this seems rather cut/dry to me Tom.

res ipsa loquitur

Tom C
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Nope, nice try my frosty

Nope, nice try my frosty friend, but you miss the mark again - I didn't mean what you are trying to say I meant, and, most importantly, I didn't say it either.

Prima facie.

That means the only place it exists is your fertile imagination.

So, keep piling on the fertilizer, but all you'll end up with is a bigger pile.

Frostman
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and, most importantly, I

and, most importantly, I didn't say it either.

Eh? I just went back to the first page of this thread to check. Those were indeed your words, as I copied them directly from your post, dated: Thu, 06/25/2009 - 3:51pm

Have you been drinking?

Tom C
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I'm not showing a 3:51 post,

I'm not showing a 3:51 post, but I am showing a 4:51 post, one with a picture of Barney Frank, if that is the one you mean. At 2:51 I have another post, which includes "what do you think that means."

Nope, neither of those posts say the kid had sex "against his will."

You can try again, but I think you'll always come up with the same result, which is that I never said it.

So, I again we come to: I didn't say it and didn't mean it.

But please, my frostalicious friend, keep trying the same thing.

Who knows, you might get a different result the next time!

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