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Rev. J. Bryan Hehir, president of Catholic Charities, speaks to the press prior to a dinner at the Boston Harbor Hotel on Dec. 9, 2005. (Globe Staff Photo / Evan Richman)

BOSTON (AP) -- The Boston Archdiocese's Catholic Charities said Friday it would stop providing adoption services because state law requires them to consider gays and lesbians as parents.

The social services arm of the Roman Catholic archdiocese has provided adoption services for about a century. But it says state law allowing gays to adopt runs counter to church teachers on homosexuality.

"The world was very different when Charities began this ministry at the threshold of the twentieth-century," the Rev. J. Bryan Hehir and trustees chairman Jeffrey Kaneb said in a joint statement. "The world changed often and we adapted the ministry to meet changing times and needs. At all times we sought to place the welfare of children at the heart of our work.

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By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist

Since 1987, Catholic Charities has contracted with the state Department of Social Services to facilitate the adoption of children in foster care, particularly those who are hardest to find homes for, such as those with physical handicaps or behavioral problems. Of the 720 adoptions arranged through Catholic Charities in the past 19 years, almost two-thirds involved children who had been in foster care. No other private organization has placed more victimized, unwanted, or disabled Massachusetts children into permanent, loving homes.

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It's a shame, but not surprising that the advocates of the homosexual agenda are so unbending in their determination to force everyone to knuckle under to their demands of universal acceptance of homosexuality that they would knowingly damage the opportunity for some of the most difficult to adopt children to be adopted. It wouldn't harm homosexuals in the least for Catholic Charities to be allowed a religious exemption to Mass. law so they could follow the teaching of the Church and still help children.

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Jacoby: [quote][b]So exactly who is allowing a ''damaging fixation with this issue" to threaten the vital adoption work that Catholic Charities is known for? The Massachusetts bishops, who have proposed a solution that would allow the agency to go on finding homes for children who badly need them? Or those who are so adamant about defending gay adoption,[/b][/quote]

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[quote]The 42-member board had voted unanimously in December to continue considering gay households for adoptions.[/quote]

Sounds like their whole board voted against the church? The whole board is part of the homosexual agenda? lmao

Sounds like they realize that the well being of children comes first over banning gay adoptions.

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Sounds like "Separation of Church and State"

is out the window.

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Separation of Church and state will only be achieved if and when churches stop taking advantage of the country's non-profit status. If they pay taxes like a business or a person, they will not be beholden to the government's regulations.

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[quote="charlotte"][quote] ...Sounds like they realize that the well being of children comes first over banning gay adoptions.[/quote]

Always interesting to learn the opinion of a heretic.

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[quote="Michelle Anderson"]Separation of Church and state will only be achieved if and when churches stop taking advantage of the country's non-profit status. If they pay taxes like a business or a person, they will not be beholden to the government's regulations.[/quote]

Any agency dealing with adoptions under state contract would have to comply with state law that prohibits discrimination against sexual orientation regardless of whether they are non-profit wouldn't they?

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[quote="Michelle Anderson"]Separation of Church and state will only be achieved if and when churches stop taking advantage of the country's non-profit status. If they pay taxes like a business or a person, they will not be beholden to the government's regulations.[/quote]
Or if it had been left the way the founding fathers had intended it. Before Congress, FDR and LBJ did their "magic"

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Too bad for all those special needs children that need good homes and often find them with gay couples. The children that Catholic Charities places are often more challenging. We are talking about children that often have severe emotional, behavorial, and/on physical needs.

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According to LifeSiteNews

The 42 member board of Catholic Charities recetntly voted unanimously to [u][b]prohibit[/b][/u] gay adoptions.

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[quote]The 42-member board had voted unanimously in December to continue considering gay households for adoptions.[/quote]

Gerald...this is the last sentence of the article? So did they print it wrong?

Actually, 7 board members quit the board...due to the churches stance on adoption...interesting.

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Apparently there were two votes as LifeSiteNews states that the 42 member board voted to prohibit adoptions by homosexual couples.

The December vote was apparently an attempt to balance "goods" with a "no good" (evil) and keep Catholic Charities in business. Its president, Rev. Brian Hehir, stated at the time of the December vote:

"If we could design the system ourselves, we would not participate in adoptions to gay couples, but we can't. We have to balance various goods. The Catholic Church, however, has repeatedly made it clear that there is no "good" to be found in either allowing children to be placed with homosexual partners, or in lending legitimacy to the homosexual lifestyle."

The buck stops with Cardinal Sean O'Malley, however, who has taken the position that the Church should not participate in an evil activity period -- regardless of whether the program has some good qualities.

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Yes, the Globe story is incorrect.

The interesting thing is that CC has been accepting applications since 1987 from G&Ls and is only changing their policy now. I don't know what they are thinking in opening this can of worms.

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Gerald...the facts are...the board voted to keep adoption to gays open...7 or 8 members quit the board due to the stance of the church. The only ones being hurt by this decision are the kids. So many of these kids need so much care...and stay in a childhood of foster care.

Be honest, do you really think foster care is better than a loving, qualified home...no matter if is is a gay home?

Steve...I have not found a retraction of the article...can you give me a source? Thanks.

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[quote="charlotte"]Gerald...the facts are...the board voted to keep adoption to gays open...7 or 8 members quit the board due to the stance of the church. [/quote]

Apparently they quit because like their president Rev. Hehir stated, they were trying to balance good with evil. I don't believe they had any heretics on board.

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Gerald...actually, no.

I have read a few sites...all have said they left the board because they thought the decision of the church was not in the best interest of the children.

[quote]When Archbishop O'Malley and the other Massachusetts bishops asked Catholic Charities to follow the Church teaching on the matter, the 42-member board of Catholic Charities voted unanimously to refuse the bishops' suggestion to stop including homosexual partners as adoptive parents.[/quote]

[quote]However, when Archbishop O'Malley went with Catholic Charities of Boston President Rev. Brian H. Hehir to seek an exemption from the state law from the Governor, seven Catholic Charities board members resigned in disgust. "(We) cannot participate in an effort to pursue legal permission to discriminate against Massachusetts citizens who want to play their part in building strong families," they said showing themselves to be opposed to Catholic teaching. (coverage: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06030206.html )[/quote]

I pulled this off Lifesitenews...

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/mar/06031003.html

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[quote="Steven Scharf"]Yes, the Globe story is incorrect.

The interesting thing is that CC has been accepting applications since 1987 from G&Ls and is only changing their policy now. I don't know what they are thinking in opening this can of worms.

Steven Scharf
SCSMedia@aol.com[/quote]

Steve, in November, Bishop (now Cardinal) O'Malley defended Catholic teaching on homosexuality in a pastoral letter:

"Sometimes we are told 'if you do not accept my behavior, you do not love me.' In reality, the exact opposite: 'Because we love you, we cannot accept your behavior.'"

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So I guess they should deny adoptions to anyone who has committed a mortal sin:

Here is a list of possible mortal sins:

. Abortion,
Anger,
Adulterers,
Amending the words of the Holy Bible,
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, (Eternal sin)
Carousing,
Cowards,
Defrauders,
Dissensions,
Disrespect towards parents,
Drunkenness,
Enmities,
Envy,
Factions,
Faithless,
False witness (liars)
Fornicators,
Greed,
Holy Communion received while in a state of mortal sin,
Idolatry,
Impurity,
Jealousy,
Licentiousness,
Love and practice falsehoods,
Male prostitution,
Murderers,
Polluted,
Quarrelling,
Sodomites,
Sorcery,
Strife,
Thieves (steal/robbers).

Let's just be consistent.

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[quote="charlotte"]Here is a list of possible mortal sins:
... , Drunkenness, ...
[/quote]

Dammit! That one gets me EVERY time.

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AS for me, the carousing part is hard to get over, because whenever I see those tulips and daffodils coming up, the overwhelming urge to have a celebratory glass of elderberry wine, and then cavort and cartwheel through my yard is irresistable.... *sigh*

Oh well, no adoptions for me, I guess.

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I kinda wondered where female prostitution is...

huh...

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[quote="charlotte"]So I guess they should deny adoptions to anyone who has committed a mortal sin:

Here is a list of possible mortal sins:

Let's just be consistent.[/quote]

Clearly, the Catholic church does not refuse to adopt to sinners. Duh.

It refuses to adopt to [b]unrepentant[/b] sinners. As they should.

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WHY is it so common to get a dupe??

Dupe

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Okay - I hereby repent my springtime elderberry wine and cartwheel festival.

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[quote="Michelle Anderson"][quote="charlotte"]So I guess they should deny adoptions to anyone who has committed a mortal sin:

Here is a list of possible mortal sins:

Let's just be consistent.[/quote]

Clearly, the Catholic church does not refuse to adopt to sinners. Duh.

It refuses to adopt to [b]unrepentant[/b] sinners. As they should.[/quote]

Very well said Michelle.

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Okay - so if gay Catholics say they're sorry for being gay, can they adopt kids?

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[quote="Naran"]Okay - so if gay Catholics say they're sorry for being gay, can they adopt kids?[/quote]

Repentance is defined as to amend or change one's life with regard to past conduct. If someone meets that as well as the other criteria required for adopting parents -- certainly IMHO.

Interesting to note that in Spain where homosexual marriage is now permitted, the terms "father" and "mother" are now prohibited in registering births.

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Since Catholic Charities give kids up for adoption to parents who follow different faiths other than Catholic...what metric do we use to use for parental merit?

Each faith has their own set of moral rules...

Do we deny a muslim family because they do not believe in Christ? I am sure they are not going to repent about that....

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[quote="charlotte"]Since Catholic Charities give kids up for adoption to parents who follow different faiths other than Catholic...what metric do we use to use for parental merit?

Each faith has their own set of moral rules...

Do we deny a muslim family because they do not believe in Christ? I am sure they are not going to repent about that....[/quote]

The Catholic group should be able to set any conditions they wish. They are making a private effort to assist. Why should we be discouraging this. If they would rather not assist Gays, Muslims, Athiests, People who pick their noses, bad drivers, or anyone else oh well. They are helping the problem. None of their actions restrict what other individual groups are allowed to do. If they fill a niche that helps the children. Other charities then have funds freed up to help more kids. The Catholics should be able to place whatever conditions they would like on their assistance. Just like a Gay/Lesbian charity should not be forced to assist people they don't agree with.

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