Gay issues force Catholic Charities to halt adoptions
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Thanks...I will do some reading. I, too...get frustrated by how we are treating these low lifes. I have no pity or sympathy...and support locking them up...and throwing away the key.
I will educate myself about the local debate. Thanks again.
Don't expect an answer soon Gerald.
Naran and Charlotte know that it is much easier to throw stones at other religions when you don't have to defend your own.
Some might call it hypocritical.
If you choose to disclose which religion you are, and discuss it online, don't be surprised if others comment on what you post. You are free to defend or not defend.
I don't choose to tell you my church, just as I don't choose to tell you my address.
Just as you don't choose to tell us who you are.
There's nothing hypocritical about it.
Don't expect an answer soon Gerald. Naran and Charlotte know that it is much easier to throw stones at other religions when you don't have to defend your own.
Some might call it hypocritical.
Yes, some like to attack the religion of others.
But the Catholic Church has withstood attacks for over 2,000 years and has the promise of Jesus that the Holy Spirit will guide His Church until the end of time. Today's reading from St. Paul sums it up, "If God is for us, who can be against us?" (Romans 8:31)
Charities' decision leaves Catholics torn
By Michael Levenson, Globe Staff | March 12, 2006
The decision by Catholic Charities of Boston to abandon adoption work rather than allow adoptions to same-sex couples left a tumultuous wake of misgivings yesterday among the city's Catholics, whether they support or oppose the Vatican's ban on adoption by gays.
Some applauded the decision, saying it was a relief that Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley had adhered to Vatican teachings, even as they rued the end of Catholic Charities' 103-year-old commitment to finding homes for foster children. Others expressed dismay that Catholic Charities, the archdiocese's charitable arm, was unable to bridge the gap between Vatican doctrine and the advances gays have made in civil society.
On both sides of the issue, people said they had been proud of the church's adoption service, and now they were grieving its end. Many Catholics said they felt a sense of anguish, torn between what they felt was good for children and acceptable in the church.
True liberal Catholics stay
March 12, 2006
JOAN VENNOCHI'S column begs two important questions: What is a ''liberal" Catholic and where should or would ''liberal" Catholics go?
Her implication is that a liberal Catholic is one who disagrees with the hierarchy's teachings about issues around sexuality: specifically, adoption by gay couples, but presumably also contraception, abortion, and homosexuality. The teachings of the Catholic Church, however, fall into two broad categories: faith and morals.
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Holding on to one's religious identity does not necessarily spring only from ''nostalgia, inertia, and arrogance," as Vennochi writes. It may also be from a sense of being grounded not in moral exhortations from the hierarchy but in the tradition of the Gospel, its liturgy, an acceptance of the fallibility of the church's members (laity and clergy alike), and a faith that the Spirit of Christ ultimately guides the church.
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They may not obey in all things, but they stay out of love, not hypocrisy.
Naran:
Holding on to one's religious identity does not necessarily spring only from ''nostalgia, inertia, and arrogance," as Vennochi writes. It may also be from a sense of being grounded not in moral exhortations from the hierarchy but in the tradition of the Gospel, its liturgy, an acceptance of the fallibility of the church's members (laity and clergy alike), and a faith that the Spirit of Christ ultimately guides the church.
Well said.
Naran...thank you so much for placing that post. That is why it was so hard for me to depart. I do love my church. I just disagree with too many recent man made decisions. Like I have said, I am not a fickle person...very loyal. I take my faith seriously...it is woven into the fabric of my being. However, disagreeing and assaulting without purpose are two very different things. I want the church to change their decisions because I believe they are hurting the church...
Thank you Bishop O'Malley!
Al
Yeah Al...I am sure those kids, having a hard time to place in homes...think it is a great decision too. Great job...ugh.
The Church cannot participate in a State imposed scheme whereby it helps some kids at the cost of sacrificing others to a condition it considers a grave evil.
GET: Define "grave evil." I only ask, because there is so much in the bible that is considered not terribly wholesome, and I wish that there was a chart of sorts that could tell me which sins are worse than others............... : ) I am sure that there must be a passage in the bible that says that gay people can't raise children.... : )
Instead of wasting their time like activist LGBTs do trying to change the Catholic Church's position on adoption, the majority of LGBTs who wish to adopt probably do so through one of the many organizations listed on the internet as LGBT "friendly" such as:
Adopting.org.
The board thought the church stance on adoption was wrong too...
Guess the church is just the victim of all those gay activists...eh?
GET: Define "grave evil." I only ask, because there is so much in the bible that is considered not terribly wholesome, and I wish that there was a chart of sorts that could tell me which sins are worse than others............... : ) I am sure that there must be a passage in the bible that says that gay people can't raise children.... : )
Jesus condemned fornication (sexual intercourse between unmarried persons) as a defiling act under the same condemnation as theft and murder. (Matthew 15:18 and Mark 7:21)
Saint Paul in the New Testament spoke of homosexual acts in several instances calling them "shameless," "unnatural" and "perverse." I would recommend that you read all of his New Testament writings.
Would you want to place children in an environment that is described as shameless, unnatural or perverse? or in an atmosphere equated by Jesus with theft and murder?
Gerald, did you and the spouse fornicate in front of your children when they were living at home? (rhetorical question).
Well, neither do gay couples who have children.
The point is, what happens in the bedroom between consenting adults is not part of the daily life for a gay family, any more than it is for a hetero family. Life in a gay household is not the Porno Show you seem to think it is.
Children deserve to have affection, consistency, and love. Children deserve better than living in a group home.
LMD previously wrote:
"Instead of wasting their time like activist LGBTs do trying to change the Catholic Church's position on adoption, the majority of LGBTs who wish to adopt probably do so through one of the many organizations listed on the internet as LGBT "friendly" such as:
Adopting.org."
To which charlotte responded:
The board thought the church stance on adoption was wrong too...
Guess the church is just the victim of all those gay activists...eh?
charlotte,
To an LGBT who's goal is to adopt a child, it shouldn't matter from what agency they adopt.
That is the point you chose to miss to further your activist agenda.
LGBTs are not prohibited from adopting children through other agencies. There is no need to waste your time trying to force the Church to change its position.
There are children waiting for adoptions - get busy trying to find them homes, if that indeed is what you are ultimately worried about.
Gerald, did you and the spouse fornicate in front of your children when they were living at home? (rhetorical question).
Well, neither do gay couples who have children.
The point is, what happens in the bedroom between consenting adults is not part of the daily life for a gay family, any more than it is for a hetero family. Life in a gay household is not the Porno Show you seem to think it is.
Children deserve to have affection, consistency, and love. Children deserve better than living in a group home.
Always instructive to get advice from advocates of sodomy, abortion, fornication and cucumber demonstrations for kids.
You need a new schtick, Gerald. This one is getting old.
(but at least this time you remembered the cucumbers).
:wink:
Pity the Poor Maligned Cucumbers - Used and Abused
LMD...Catholic Charities is under a state run contract...so when they change policy to deny gay couples adoption rights...it is clearly wrong. It is not an "agenda" as you put it. The board of Catholic Charities agrees with my stance. What I am saying is if it is an agenda...it is the boards agenda as well.
What the heck do gays and lesbians tell kids when it comes time to discuss "the birds and the bees"? Teach them about the "birds and the birds" or "the bees and the bees" or the "dogs and the cats" or "the transgenderedbifurcatedmultipansexuals and the trees"?
Then again, they are probably content to leave it to the public schools to teach their budding social experiments how to have sex with fruits and vegetables.
What an ignorant statement Dist...
One you assume that heterosexual parents teach their kids about the "birds and the bees"...or that grandparents, single parents...aunts/uncles raising kids can't talk about the "birds and bees" because the are not the typical "parental" model.
Most gays and lesbians do a fine job teaching kids about respecting their bodies, sexuality...
Most kids will grow up and like the opposite sex, there is a percentage that will grow up and like the same sex. Simple. Doesn't sound like you need to be a brain surgeon to teach that.
What is the point of non-Catholics continuing to attack the decision of a Church of which they do not belong?
Obviously they don't understand or agree with the decision; and obviously they are not going to change the Church's decision to refrain from participating in a State scheme that the Church considers to be evil and destructive for children.
Do you also enjoy howling at the moon? just curious.
While you continually display your considerable expertise on ignorance, it does not require rocket surgery to realize that same-sex attraction is a mental illness, despite how the modern, politically correct, psychiatric dictionaries try to window dress it.
Dist - there are others who would consider the inability to understand that same-sex attraction is a physiological, genetic destiny constitutes a mental illness. Or at least a mental deficiency.
Catholic Charities is under a state run contract...so when they change policy to deny gay couples adoption rights...it is clearly wrong.
So you support the state telling churches what they can believe or do! What happened to religious freedom?
From the Globe article:
"The speaker of the Massachusetts House has announced that he will block any attempt to grant Catholic Charities a religious waiver."
It is not an "agenda" as you put it. The board of Catholic Charities agrees with my stance. What I am saying is if it is an agenda...it is the boards agenda as well.
Catholic Charities is not the Church, and it's board does not determine Church doctrine. The Church is seeking a waiver on religious grounds. The Speaker says no way! Just who is the problem here?
Charlotte, do you believe in freedom of religion or not? Bishop O'Malley is taking a principled stand. You disagree. I don't. I think it is long overdue.
Al
GET wrote: "Jesus condemned fornication (sexual intercourse between unmarried persons) as a defiling act under the same condemnation as theft and murder. (Matthew 15:18 and Mark 7:21)"
Did you look up these references? Here is a way that you can easily.
http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show
:lol: We need more religious waivers...... : ) I don't want to pay my taxes on religious grounds..... heheheh... I don't believe in the way my tax money is used..
same-sex attraction is a physiological, genetic destiny constitutes a mental illness. Or at least a mental deficiency.
Waiting for the proof of a gay gene.... waiting for discovery of a gay person who doesn't have some story about overbearing parents or child abuse or other mental or physical trauma in their past.
(cue crickets.)
Sorry, I do know some. And believe me, they had lovely, average childhood upbringing. No trauma, except for that stemming from realizing in high school that they didn't care for Jane, they cared for Joe.
And despite wishing then that they cared for Jane, they still cared for Joe, and still do.
Dist...mental illness...yeah, love to see your proof sources on that one. Many think it is genetics or other factors...but far from mental illness. Gays and lesbians have been a part of history...as long as we have had a history. Created just as consistently as straights...Let's say all gays are mentally ill ( your debate), that would mean all straights are mentally healthy...Oh, that doesn't work...lmao.
Al..if an private organization...no. If an organization that is run under a state contract..yes. I do think Bishop O'malley can discontinue adoption services based on his doctrine...I also know I am very correct in saying his actions are wrong.
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I just thought if you worked on the Ds, we can work on the Rs.
Go to lockemup.org and see what happened last year.
You will see ten or more bills submitted by both sides...all killed.
We had residency restrictions, minimum sentencing, civil committment, redefining the names of the crimes (instead of sex offender as a catch-all) public safety sending an e-mail to town clerks upon release of a "offender" etc.
You can see who put the bills in, and who killed them in the Criminal Justice Committee. You can see the roll call on the ones that made it to the floor of the House.