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[url=http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08040710.html]Wales[/url]

[quote]Since the passage a year ago of the Sexual Orientation Regulations, secondary legislation under the Equality Act, many Christian and other traditionally minded people in Britain have warned that Britons are losing the freedom to object to homosexuality in public.[/quote]

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Update on Oklahoma House Rep. Sally Kern, [url=http://www.asmainegoes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=567728&highlight=sally+... posted[/url] on page 98, by Al Greenlaw:

[url=http://www.thomasmore.org/qry/page.taf?id=63]Thomas More Law Center[/url] reports:
[b]Homosexuals' Big Blunder: Sally Kern Didn't Back Down - Thousands Rally to Her Support[/b]
[quote]ANN ARBOR, MI — National homosexual groups saw an opportunity to make an example of ...[Kern]... when her comments about homosexuality drew national attention. They targeted her for their special venom in hopes to get her to publicly back down...

Last Wednesday, fifty area pastors sponsored a “Free Speech Rally for Sally” inside the Rotunda of the OK State Capitol.

Upwards of 3,000 Oklahomans attended...(con't)

[url=http://www.thomasmore.org/downloads/sb_thomasmore/SallyKern-4-2-08Speech... text of Rep. Kern's speech at the Free Speech Rally[/url]
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"Radical homosexuals flooded her office with over 30,000 vulgar, explicit, hate filled e-mails" after her first comments were made. You may view examples (caution - vulgar language ~LMD) [url=http://www.thomasmore.org/downloads/sb_thomasmore/SallyKernsHateMail.pdf....

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How do they know they were all homosexuals that wrote those e-mails?

What she said was deserving of some feedback. I would bet to guess the majority of e-mails were not hate filled or full of nasty statements.

There are always nuts on both sides. I have seen some hate mail from those on the conservative right side. Nuts either side...are wrong.

[quote]Even Ellen DeGeneres, the openly lesbian television host and comedian attempted to get into the fray. She called Rep. Kern on her television talk show, but Kern’s voicemail was full. [/quote]

It was harmless...

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[quote]It was harmless...
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AL...my comment was on the Ellen episode where she called Sally...it was a riot....and was harmless. Did you see it? If not, I am sure you can get it on UTube.

As for the 10 letters sent to Sally, they were hate...

I still say the majority of responses to her were in good taste and rightfully sent by those who disagree with her.

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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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More on Sally Kern [url=http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200803/CUL20080328a.html]here.[/url]

[quote]"We have received close to 30,000 e-mails," Kern said. "When this first hit YouTube, [b]the vast majority [/b]of the e-mails were hate mail - vile, vulgar, profane."
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And this from a so-called journalist:

[quote]For instance, under the headline, "Sally Kern is Satan's Spawn," writer Emily Michels wrote of Kern in the Michigan Daily newspaper's blog, The Podium, on March 12: "For lack of better words, the woman is a close-minded, discriminatory, hateful b*tch."

...the [b]University of Michigan journalist [/b]wrote. "Instead of realizing that she is a complete idiot who thrives off of destroying any moral fabric left in society, this woman (I am actually so upset I can barely grasp the fact that she is human) defended herself, refusing to apologize."

Michels added: "Our nation would be stronger and more accepting if people like Sally Kern were out of office and forced to live underground. May all of Sally Kern's babies be gay."
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Really harmless stuff eh Charlotte.

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Another article [url=http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200804/CUL2...

[quote]Do politicians have a right to bring their religious convictions into politics?

"Absolutely, politicians are like anybody else -- they don't lose their First Amendment freedoms just because they get elected to office," LaBarbera said.

snip.

"It's not only legitimate, it's necessary. The alternative is what I call the 'Naked Public Square,' where you have to check your moral beliefs in the cloakroom before you enter the political arena. Obviously, that is a flagrant and dangerous notion that if carried out consistently, means the end of democracy."
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More about the[url=http://ezralevant.com/2008/04/too-corrupt-for-the-real-polic.html] Canadian Human Rights Commission[/url]

[quote]I'm sorry, but I can't think of any commentary or analysis that is more damning than that naked fact: a discredited, defrocked cop, who couldn't see that her personal relationship with a criminal was a conflict with her being a police officer, was hired by the CHRC. I bet the CHRC didn't even see that as a negative -- they probably thought of that kind of malleable morality was a plus: no nagging conscience to ask "are we sure this is ethical?" when planting evidence on websites, stealing Internet broadband, or corrupting the process of natural justice.
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More on [url=http://www.macleans.ca/canada/opinions/article.jsp?content=20080402_8898...

[quote]...at one point Mr. Warman was logging on to Internet "hate sites" under Mr. Steacy's secret identity, "jadewarr." He'd misplaced some "hate message" or other, and so strolled over to the commission and was allowed to use the government's computers, passwords and covert hate-site membership ("jadewarr") until he'd found what he was looking for. Richard Warman is supposed to be a private citizen who has filed a "complaint," yet he's allowed full access to the state's investigation.[/quote]

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[url=http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08040806.html]Google accused of anti-Christian bias[/url]

[quote]The company told the Institute, "Google policy does not permit the advertisement of websites that contain 'abortion and religion-related content'".

Had the company accepted the ad, internet users putting the word "abortion" into the search engine would have seen an ad for the Christian Institute on the right side of the search page.

The company, however, has no such qualms when it comes to ads for abortionists such as Marie Stopes International, who have an AdWord ad that appears now when the word "abortion" is typed into the search engine.

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[url=http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60196]CHRC having effects on U.S. religious broadcasters[/url]

[quote]"We today have a major national magazine, a federal political party leader and a registered political party, a major Catholic newspaper (Catholic Insight) and an internationally renowned journalist all of whom are being investigated by appointed 'hate speech therapists' from the commissions," the group said.

The journalist is Mark Steyn, according to CFAC spokesman Brian Rushfeldt, and the newest case involves Canada's national Catholic magazine of news, opinion and analysis.

The publication has been told it is being targeted by a complaint from Edmonton resident Rob Wells, who alleges the publication has offended homosexuals.
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[quote]Really harmless stuff eh Charlotte[/quote]

Al, why do you mislead with my statement. I said what was harmless was Ellen's call on her show, NOT THE HATE MAIL...DO I HAVE TO PUT IN CAPS SO YOU GET IT? Hate mail is nothing but that...hate. Clean up your act and stop misleading with my words. Thanks.

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[quote]As for the 10 letters sent to Sally, they were hate...

I still say the majority of responses to her were in good taste and rightfully sent by those who disagree with her.
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Charlotte there were [b]thousands[/b] of hate letters, not 10. You have no basis for your assertion that the "majority" of responses were in good taste and [b]rightfully[/b] sent. Your attempt to minimize this provides cover for, and gives defense to, those hateful messages, making you no better than those who sent them.

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[url=http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08040901.html]The ordeal of Chris Kempling[/url]

[quote]...all sides agreed that there was no negative impact in my school. No parent, student or homosexual person complained to the college or my employer about my letters. I never raised the issue in my classroom or with students with whom I worked. I have even received two letters of commendation from my principals for my work with sexual minority students. Nevertheless, the courts ruled that no "evidence of harm" is required to discipline a member. Having wrong opinions is sufficient reason to deny a worker his paycheque for four months.
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[quote]Your attempt to minimize this provides cover for, and gives defense to, those hateful messages, making you no better than those who sent them. [/quote]

Never did such thing, stop. I said hate message are that, hate. I don't take the Thomas More Center's word for it...they are a huge right wing group...Spinning is something they do well.

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Can you disprove it? If not then you are putting your own spin to it, thus giving cover to and defense for the hate. It won't work Charlotte. You really are no better than those who sent the hateful messages.

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[quote]What she said was deserving of some feedback.[/quote]

Pretty much sums up your attitude toward those you disagree with. So what if the "feedback" is hateful, vulgar, and threatening. No big deal, she's just a right wing Christian bigot, eh Charlotte?

If you can't prove your assertion that this was only a few "nuts" as you call them, then maybe you should just say nothing at all.

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[quote]Can you disprove it? [/quote]

It is not mine to disprove..it is theirs to prove. Al, I believe any letter like the ones shown were hate.

[quote]Pretty much sums up your attitude toward those you disagree with. So what if the "feedback" is hateful, vulgar, and threatening. No big deal, she's just a right wing Christian bigot, eh Charlotte?

If you can't prove your assertion that this was only a few "nuts" as you call them, then maybe you should just say nothing at all. [/quote]

I believe it is the best part of our country, to voice our opinions. I thought you agreed. That said, I made clear...over and over...that what was shown in your link as hate mail, was just that. There is not excuse for that language...and does not fall into what I think as valid feedback.

Why would you think I would approve of such language? What makes you dislike me so that you would make such a harsh statement? I don't approve of what she said, but I am appauled by the letters sent to her. I have said those letters are hate..

[quote]If you can't prove your assertion that this was only a few "nuts" as you call them, then maybe you should just say nothing at all. [/[/quote]

Wow, again I thought you were all about free speech. I guess when you don't like what you hear, you wish my voice to be silent.

Do what I say, not what I do. Interesting.

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Charlotte I am relying on what you said. Let's parse your words.
[quote]How do they know they were all homosexuals that wrote those e-mails? [/quote]
Well we don't, but I hardly see where that matters. What difference could it possibly make?
[quote]What she said was deserving of some feedback.[/quote]
Do you know the full context of her words in that speech? Since when has expressing one's religious belief been "deserving" of the kind of feedback she encountered?
[quote]I would bet to guess the majority of e-mails were not hate filled or full of nasty statements. [/quote]
Really? How do you know this Charlotte? The evidence states otherwise.
[quote]There are always nuts on both sides. [/quote]
I guess that excuses the behavior. Both sides do it.

Charlotte you have no basis to claim that there were only a handful of hateful emails. By making such a false assertion you are minimizing the incident. You go even further by suggesting (without citing any examples) that there are "nuts" on both sides. This also acts to soften the impact of what happened.

Charlotte did you read [url=http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08040901.html]this[/url] post about Chris Kempling? There is a pattern here.

By the way I did not suggest that you refrain from giving an opinion, only that you refrain from suggesting that there were only a few "nuts" who wrote emails, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

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[url=http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08040903.html]Wisconsin[/url]

[quote]...Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, an anti-Christian organisation, also saw the ruling as a positive and important step, but specifically as one toward greater suppression of conscience rights of religious people.

Lauren Smith wrote on the group's website, "It's difficult to understate this ruling's importance. Pharmacist refusals are increasingly problematic, and Noesen is one of the first rulings weighing the states' authority to protect public welfare against an individual's alleged freedom of conscience."

Given such rulings, Catholics in the health care professions are increasingly wondering whether they will be able to continue to participate in their fields...
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[quote]Well we don't, but I hardly see where that matters[/quote]

[quote]Radical homosexuals flooded her office with over 30,000 vulgar, explicit, hate filled e-mails [/quote]

From your "valid" source. It matters because your right wing source made it matter...so take it up with them. This is why I don't take their follow up information as true either.

[quote]Do you know the full context of her words in that speech? Since when has expressing one's religious belief been "deserving" of the kind of feedback she encountered? [/quote]

She is a public servant. Yes, I listened to her words on utube...they were disturbing. I don't excuse the hate mail (again, I think this is the 3rd of 4th time I have said this......) I welcome the feedback she received that did not include vulgar statements. Al, would you want anyone who disagreed with her in a respectful manner silenced?

Al, I don't know how many e-mails were vulgar or not. Clearly, I don't trust Thomas More...they already lied once...as you so pointed out...they could not tell those e-mails sent were from gays. You seem to want to say I excuse hate mail...I don't. GET IT THROUGH THAT LITTLE BEAN OF YOURS>

Can you prove that the majority of e-mails were hateful? If so, please point out a site that does so. Clearly, this right wing group likes to say really what they want to get the biggest bang for their buck...

I will not refrain from suggesting that Thomas More is not the best source for stating the "majority" of these e-mails were hateful...I have my opinion and it is valid. When you get evidence that supports their statement, then we can talk.

Again, I find it interesting that you want me to "refrain"...or be silent, when I dare to disagree with your dear "right wing" site. Sorry, won't do it.

I look forward to your evidence. Thanks.

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[url=http://www.firstthings.com/onthesquare/?p=1021]Source[/url]

[quote]One form of discrimination conspicuous by its absence is a concern for prejudice on the basis of religion. Catholics, as well as any other group opposed to the taking of innocent human life, will find it difficult if not impossible to practice medicine in accordance with the ACOG recommendations. If these recommendations become part of board certification, then Catholics and a large number of others, including many evangelicals, who accept that it is wrong to kill intentionally the innocent or formally cooperate in such killing, will be simply unable to practice medicine. [/quote]

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[quote]"[b]We have received close to 30,000 e-mails[/b]," Kern said. "When this first hit YouTube, [b]the vast majority of the e-mails were hate mail - vile, vulgar, profane." [/b][/quote]

[quote] [b]"We have received close to 30,000 e-mails," [/b]Kern said. "When this first hit YouTube, [b]the vast majority of the e-mails were hate mail - vile, vulgar, profane."[/b] [/quote]

[quote] [b]"We have received close to 30,000 e-mails," [/b]Kern said. "When this first hit YouTube, [b]the vast majority of the e-mails were hate mail - vile, vulgar, profane." [/b][/quote]

This is what Kern herself said Charlotte. She does not state that they all came from radical homosexuals (although The Thomas More Center could make a reasonable assumption that it is true), but does state that the [b]vast majority[/b] of close to [b]30,000 emails[/b] were [b]"vile, vulgar, profane."[/b]

Why are you having such a problem admitting the truth here? Who is trying to silence who?

Can you state with absolute certainty that the YouTube version was not edited to provide the worst possible context for her words? Is YouTube your standard for accuracy?

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Yeah, this is what Sally said this about gays...

"No society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted more than you know, a few decades."

"I honestly think homosexuality is the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam"

"Gays are infiltrating city councils"

"This stuff is deadly and spreading and will destroy our Country and our children"

Sweetie, after what Sally has said about gays and lesbians...do ya think she is a reliable source? Come on.

[quote]although The Thomas More Center could make a reasonable assumption that it is true[/quote] Really? Is that because you can't imagine straights feeling that upset about Sally's nutty comments to act? That is a big ASSumption.

Truth? What a hoot. It is not the truth. Sally is not being silenced, she is being criticized for the disgusting statements she made. Take out the hate mail...it is vile and does no one any good (actually, I bet she loves that hate mail because she can then say..."here look...those evil gays"). The letters that comment against her statements are just what our country was founded on...freedom of speech.

The UTube post could have been edited, sure thing. Al, are you saying she did not say those statements I posted above? How could any edit make them look any worse?

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[quote]...she is being criticized for the disgusting statements she made. ...(actually, I bet she loves that hate mail because she can then say..."here look...those evil gays").[/quote]

The true Charlotte emerges at last!

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Al, you are such a riot! Instead of answering you avoid.

That's just shows you can't keep up.

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You're a riot you know that? You place more credibility in YouTube than the words of the victim, who you describe as "disgusting", then complain that I don't take you seriously enough to answer every question you pose. You continue to prove my point when you make a comment like - [b]"...(actually, I bet she loves that hate mail because she can then say..."here look...those evil gays")."[/b] Do you also blame the rape victim because she was dressed too provocatively?

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Question..which you don't answer. Did she say those things, yes or no? Her statements not mine.

Al when Sally then works with Thomas More...and they fabricate..."homosexuals send threatening e-mails"...how am I not to think she is using these to slant the public view.

I don't approve or support hate...from anyone.

That said, I do support freedom of speech from an average everyday person...to Sally...to the KKK. I don't see much difference from KKK statements that blacks are infiltrating, to Sally's gays are infiltrating...do you?

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[quote]"...(actually, I bet she loves that hate mail because she can then say..."here look...those evil gays")."[/quote]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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