Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

Got this from Mccain's NPAT the (X) indicates things he supports- looks ok to me.

Indicate which principles you support (if any) regarding guns.
a) Renew the ban on the sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns, except those used for hunting.

X b) Maintain and strengthen the current level of enforcement of existing federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.

c) Ease federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.

d) Repeal federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.

X e) Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.

X f) Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.

X g) Require background checks on gun sales between private citizens at gun shows.

h) Require a license for gun possession.

i) Establish a national database of ballistic "fingerprints" to track guns used in criminal activities.

X j) Support legislation that would protect manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers of firearms from civil lawsuits by crime victims.

k) Other or expanded principles

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

McCain could care less for the bill of rights and has demonstrated the same. If he gets a gun whim, he will sell us out.

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

So Many people fall in bath tubs and break bones. They drown sometimes. They get electrocuted when their radios fall in. So what is the solution? Simple---get rid of all bath tubs. So many car accidents! How to prevent them? Simple-get rid of all cars! Prevent drug overdoses--- what to do? Simple---get rid of all drugs. Gun crime---what to do? Obviously outlaw all guns. These are absolutely certain cures for all these social problems. These are a priori truths. Peter is on the track of something. In fact we can cure a myriad of ill be just getting rid of the essential element. Universally speaking, If X causes a problem the problem can be eliminated by getting rid of X.!

This “argument” convinces many people. It surely has traction for the gun control crowd. It is neat and convincing; however, it is wholly unrealistic, divorced from reality, an high abstraction, like mathematical truths. For example, the honest folks will give up their arms. The criminals wont. There are needs for firearms in certain situations, For hunting, for self defense, for satisfying a desire to collect, for historical insight, for protection against unjust governments. What do we give up if we give up bath tubs, cars, or drugs? We realize what we would lose if these are outlawed.

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

McCain has done little to harm gun rights because he hasn't had the chance. However, many years ago he did speak out in favor of handgun registration and other incrementalist proposals nationwide.

Rudy Giuliani is a Hillary Clinton with gonads. A scary prospect!

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

Both McCain and Guiliani are a no go to me. Between the anti 2nd amendment position of Guiliani (McCain?) and the soft position of illegals from both are enough convince me. If either of these two get the nomination, there will be an Independent candidate running and if that happens, the GOP base gets split and Hillary is President (much like happened with her Husband in 1992 with Perot).

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Giuliani: Gun Control Helped Lower Crime

First, create a situation where only criminals have guns. Then jack up penalties, and enforce them, rigorously. You'll put away some crooks, though the body count among the law abiding will be higher than it should be.


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