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Jon Reisman
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The apocalyptic vision of global warming serves a deep need of the environmentalist credo, the dominant pseudo-religious tendency of our age in the prosperous West.
[url=http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/02/a_necessary_apocalypse.html]Globla Warming Derangement Explained[/url]

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Jon-What is your take on the new global warming report that just came out..Basically said that it is a 90% certain that humans are the root cause of global warming.. From a bunch of left wingers for sure...

Is there any truth to it at all??

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Are you referring to the IPCC report or one of the almost daily screeds from the environmental left?

For that matter, press releases from Senators Snowe and Collins on the matter are essentially written by the environmental left.

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I think it is the IPCC report...

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This J. R. Dunn treatise about environmentalism as a pseudo-religion reads like an opening chapter for his philosophy thesis dissertation.

My as yet un-caffeinated morning brain can’t seem to grasp all the symbolism tossed around in the piece.

I am not smart enough to determine, with absolute clarity, what to make of the global warming situation. Am I willing to leap to the thought that global warming is real and a manifestation of human activity? [b]NO[/b]. Am I conversely willing to accept the notion that it is nothing more than the lunatic ramblings of a pseudo-religion fringe element? [b]NO[/b].

What IS curious to me is the constant [i]‘my expects are better than your expects’[/i] argument. I’m willing to acknowledge that there MAY be something going on, and that it MAY have something to do with our human existence. The jury is out for me.

It seems a bit to limiting to my intellectual curiosity to accept the conservative ‘it’s much ado about nothing’ argument.

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Now now boys and girls.
We mustn't question the authority
of that bastion of insightful intelligence
"The American Thinker".

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Earth's climate has [i]always[/i] been in a state of flux.

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I posted [url=http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/regv15n2/reg15n2g.html]this [/url] as a separate topic. It is a long read (I'm still sifting through it) but from what I have read so far, it does appear to provide some balance to the debate.

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Global warming and global cooling are both caused by the sun. We can't change that. All the earth day sun worshippers and flower children in the world can't change that. Praying to Gaia as Al Gore does can't change that. In future generations maybe Greenland will be green again. About a mile under that glacier where the lost squadron of P-38s in WWII ran out of fuel and landed on the glacier the Vikings grazed sheep. Since WWII that glacier buried those airplanes under hundreds of feet of ice.

While Greenland was green a thousand years ago the Vikings sailed down our coast and left thole pin holes in the rocks. Ocean levels have not changed much since then. There is a drilled hole in ledge in New Zealand at mean sea level. It was drilled bny explorers around 1700. The sea level has not changed there either. Sea levels don't change measurably. Land moves due to earthquakes, volcanos and erosion. Deltas form and canyons are cut. The best example that comes to mind is the Grand Canyon. I was in the Antarctic in 1963. Icebergs were breaking off the ice shelf as they do every year. It's fun to watch. It is ridiculous for environmentalists to video tape a piece of ice falling into the water and claim it is due to global warming.

Despite what the environmental industry wants you to believe, their science fiction religion is not going to change our lives. Future generations? Of course their lives will be different. The human condition is always changing and we tend to make things better than we found them.

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Were the indians worried about pollution in their water, Roger? EVENTUALLY we will get around to cleaning things up and living more eco-friendly, but when was the last time YOU ate a fish out of the Androscoggin? :wink:

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JR's article includes this observation: "...we live in an unstable planet-wide chaotic system, [it] will go its own way no matter what we do."
Otherwise he makes no scientific assertions beyond; 1) That there is a vast literature solely and uniquely global warming without reference to the interactions of the entire system; 2) That ozone depletion involves arcane chemical reaction; that it took place in the stratosphere, and seemed to be confined to Antarctica although the northern hemisphere is home to the bulk of the offending chlorofluorocarbons.
These are factual statements which cannot be refuted by impugning the source.

Otherwise, the article deals with the quasi-religious excitements that underlie the enthusiasm for Global Warming. One can remain agnostic about the phenomenon and its human causes without denying the existence of the excitement it arouses.

JR Dunn is thoroughly versed in the writings of Sagan, Dawkins, Rachel Carson, Ehrlich, and E.O. Wilson. He even knows a bit about G.K. Chesterton. We can't know whether JUSTSAYNO knows anything about any of them. All we know is that he doesn't like websites that threaten is own certainties.

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I would prefer that we do whatever we can, as nations, to ensure the safety, stability, and cleanliness of our world. As for the other tripe, I offer the following:

[img]http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r93/laurelfrost/moonbat.jpg[/img]

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Do any of you belive that "global warming" is an anti-capitalist conspiracy? Or am I just stating the obvious :?

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To be more specific, an anti-U.S. conspiracy.

FNC just now reporting on related events in Gay Paree today.

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How many icebergs would be saved if liberal moonbats and the deranged half-empty cuppers would just shut up?

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I was listening to Rush Limbaugh today when he announced he would talk about the article by J R Dunn in the next segment. I nearly drove off the road when I heard that. J R Dunn has eaten dinner in my house and lived in Farmington for a year or so. FLAMMENWERFER knows him well. Jeff is extremely sharp and a carefull researcher. He is a fine writer and [u]a tiger of an opponent who has a strong affinity for hard facts and a great talent for use of these facts. [/u]

This Global Warming drive has all the marks of a religious cause, a frenzy. The TV press rarely presents the other side of the debate.

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Owl,

With the conclusion of this evening's supper "news" by the basic outlets, WE have been branded the enemy, no matter how many zillions of large & small factors the still-undefined equation might have.

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[img]http://www.asmainegoes.com/images/oj_globwrm.jpg[/img]

2/1/07 Senator Olympia Snowe Press Conference with Senator Kerry on Global Climate Change

“There’s no longer the question of science. It’s now a question of political will.”

[url=http://src.senate.gov/public/_files/television/snowe_global_feb1.ram]Watch RealPlayer Video[/url]

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[i]Didn't take long for a resident idiot to play the Hitler card.
Some people just ain't happy unless they're miserable.[/i]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Mad... Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds[/b][/url] is a popular history of popular folly by Charles Mackay, first published in 1841.

"Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."

"Of all the offspring of Time, Error is the most ancient, and is so old and familiar an acquaintance, that Truth, when discovered, comes upon most of us like an intruder, and meets the intruder's welcome."

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[b]Henny Penny was real!![/b]

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"Charter members", eh?

I want PROOF that:

Global Warming (as opposed to climate change) is actually happening.

That it is primarily human-caused.

That "global warming", whatever the cause, is automatically a BAD THING.

That even if it happening, that humans can actually stop it.

Ever since the 1960's, I have watched various and sundry groups of people, who usually had a pre-existing political or social agenda, make dire predictions of impending ecological disaster, from an man-made Ice Age, mass death from Acid Rain, ozone depletion leading to mass extinctions from UV radiation, through to "global warming" either flooding the coastlines or causing massive superstorms freezing everything north of Mexico. The one common thread to all of these illusionary diasters is that it was going to be America's fault, and that we needed to cede control of our lives to these smart people who were the only ones who really cared about Mother Earth.
Oh, yes, one other thing: almost all of them have a pre-existing belief in socialism, and that government control and solutions to problems is the best and proper means of governing the human race (as opposed to individual freedom and property rights), and golly gee, how about this, a whole lot of these smart people are either in government, or want to be. Huh, what a coincidence, eh?

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[quote="Domino"]Were the indians worried about pollution in their water, Roger? EVENTUALLY we will get around to cleaning things up and living more eco-friendly, but when was the last time YOU ate a fish out of the Androscoggin? :wink:[/quote]

Apples and oranges? Global warming and pollution in a river are two separate issues. Global warming is a cyclical trend and is not proven to be human-caused:

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Ice_Age_Temperature.png[/img]

Very few people argue about where pollution in a river comes from.

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A message received yesterday from an old friend graduate school colleague, now at the Univesity of Vermont:

"A week or so ago Vermont Partisan Radio had an amusing if unintended juxtaposition of reports. The First concerned an address to the State Legislature by Vern Grubinger, State Agronomist and UVM Extension Service faculty member, who said that farming conditions in the mid-latitudes, including Vermont are benefitting and will continue to do so from the longer growing season and more abundant rainfall brought on by climate change. (Can you picture the Solons squirming in their seats at this unwelcome good news?) The very next report concerned a discussion in the legislature of what taxes it might be opportune to raise to combat greenhouse gases."

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Whew!

Here I am wasting all this time worrying about whether or not there’s something to all of this global warming stuff.

Little did I realize definitive proof about it being a bogus concept is as close as an AMG thread. Those pesky liberals sure do make a fuss about some things, don’t they? Now I can go and ponder things that really matter, like asteroids or something.

Thanks

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[quote]I want PROOF that:

Global Warming (as opposed to climate change) is actually happening.

That it is primarily human-caused.

That "global warming", whatever the cause, is automatically a BAD THING.

That even if it happening, that humans can actually stop it.
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Have you asked for *proof* that you will not live to be 105 years old? I'd guess that there is a greater than 90% confidence level that you will not. That's a similar statistical confidence that is stated in the recently released study, that human activities are accelerating global climate change. The *proof* that you are looking for will come after you are dead, in both cases.

Even the scientists have said that climate change is caused by many factors, one of which is CO2 loading by human activities. Why does human activity have to be the primary cause for it to be a concern? Smoking, workplace exposure to certain substances and other factors may not be the *primary* factor in some diseases, should we just ignore them?

I think we would all agree that rising sea levels would have a negative affect on a large group of people.

So if we can't stop climate change, we should feel great about accelerating our demise? I guess since you have a 90% confidence that you won't live to see it, you don't care....I should have guessed. But then again, since you don't trust statistical studies, you might think you are going to live forever? :roll:

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Hmm, a world body of scientists says that a) global warming exists and b) there's a 90+% certainty that it's caused by human activity, and a few AMG folks look at a couple of charts and decide that they are all wrong. In addition, they dredge up a few naysayers and convince themselves that the world body is wrong. Interestingly, it appears that it's mostly republicans and/or conservatives who feel that way. You guys are like Bush, who had to be hit over the head before "stay the course" became, "Oops, better change tactics". Even Bush is acknowledging that the global warming/human activity connection is real.

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I'll agree that it might be beneficial to be a little more skeptical about skepticism, but the context of the debate should inlcude 1) aknowldgement of the existence of a quasi-religous enthusiasm which JR Dunn demonstrates so lucidly; 2) there is a political element that can always be counted on to get excited about any project for controlling human activity and enhancing governmental power; 3) that there is no way that science can demonstrate that global warming is [i]caused[/i] 90% by human activity (in any case, I understood that the report claimed that it [i]contributed[/i]; 4) that no politician is really proposing measures on a scale that comes anywhere near altering the human factors alleged to be at play; 5) that "expert" opinion has not shown a record of infalliability.

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We are being told that right now, we MUST take action that will cost enormous amounts of money and cede even more of our freedoms to government entities, on the basis of what seems to be an agenda-driven distortion of science. "*proof*"? Of course I want more proof, and I want the scientists who disagree with the "global warming" scheme to be given a fair hearing. And you can bet the body part of your choice that if Al Gore or other wannabees are pushing this scheme, then I inheriently distrust it.

If you had bothered to respond to the rest of my previous post, you could perhaps have noted I have some significant reasons to be skeptical--the same body of people have been pushing the theme of American-caused (OK, to be precise, Western capitalism-caused) ecological disaster for decades, because it fits their prejudices.

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Take heart Democrat! Welcome global warming. We'll be warmer in Maine. We'll be better able to grow warm weather crops. Keep in mind that everything that has a down side has an up side too. Unfortunately the optimists have not had their day to tell us the benefits that will follow from the alleged global warming. How many benefits can you think of that will result from it. Perhaps Greenland can become farm country Think of the fuel we'll save.

But anyway the changes will be slow and we'll adapt. Rest easy. Take heart! We can't do anything about it anyway. Be stoical! Keep on the sunny side!

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Witch hunt

The piece cited is replete with negative examples of environmental concern. One wonders if there are any persons or groups whose concern about the environment is legitimate. The anti-Catholic statement in the forth paragraph should alert readers to the witch hunting spirit in which the article is written.

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