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November 26, 2006

PORTLAND, Maine --Members of the public get their first chance this week to weigh in on a plan drawn up by a task force that explored new ideas for managing northern Maine's Allagash Wilderness Waterway.

The Allagash Wilderness Waterway Working Group hopes to insulate the 92-mile waterway from political disputes by creating a high-level Board of Overseers that would develop strategic and long-range management plans.

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2006/11/26/task_force_un...

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Many, perhaps most, of these overseer spots will go to enviro activists. Example: Comm. Pat McGowan will be a member of this group in name only. He will hand off the hands-on work to either Asst. Comm. Karen Tilberg and/or one of her surrogates. Tilberg was exec. director for many years of the Northern Forest Alliance - an umbrella group of enviros dedicated to turning the North Woods into a national park.

http://www.northernforestalliance.org/

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I see there are no abutting homeowners and landowners on the proposed panel. I don't see anybody from the Maine Professional Guides Association. Most of the meetings will be held below the Volvo Line. It looks like a stacked deck to me.

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[quote]The Board of Overseers, similar to the panel that manages Baxter State Park, would be made up of the commissioner of the Department of Conservation, attorney general, State Planning Office director and one resident from each of Maine's congressional districts.[/quote]

Am I reading this correct to think that the board would only be comprised of 5 folks? All appointed? If they are going to go with a board then there should be a seat at the table for each type of user. Each group should decide who is best to represent them. Like a delegate.

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JimP -

Aren't you forgetting one part of the equation? Politics.

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I guess I am. Far be it from me to expect fairness...

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JimP -

This will be a Punch-and-Judy Show. The public will see the puppets in action and not the enviro activists manipulating the puppets.

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Allagash hearings revive divisions
By Kevin Miller
Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - Bangor Daily News

ORONO - Speakers representing all sides in the debate over the Allagash Wilderness Waterway picked apart a proposal Tuesday that would give a board of appointees control over the scenic waterway’s long-term future.

More than a half-dozen speakers said they could support the proposed Allagash Wilderness Waterway "Board of Overseers" or some version of it, with changes to the board’s membership. But nearly a dozen people urged a state task force to scrap the proposal altogether and instead keep the status quo.

[url=http://bangordailynews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=143522&zoneid=500]...

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New management won't stop Allagash conflicts

The Allagash Wilderness Waterway in northern Maine has a complex and tortured history. A new proposal to resolve the conflict that has plagued management of the park promises, however, only a new and different kind of torture.

The conflict revolves around the fact that access and development around the waterway are restricted to keep the Allagash's "maximum wilderness character." That's what the law requires.

[url=http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/view/columns/3384493.html]SOURCE[/...

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They are building models to eventually implement in the rest of the state. These people never do anything unless it will lead to something else that furthers their anti-human agenda.

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The problem with "maximum wilderness" is that it means whatever exactly what the Red Queen intends it to mean, neither more nor less.

Here's an interesting, perhaps too wordy, essay on Allagash politics. - http://www.mainecampsite.com/thoreau.htm

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Allagash waterway panelists drop board oversight plan

By Kevin Miller
Thursday, December 14, 2006 - Bangor Daily News

AUGUSTA - Members of a state panel on the Allagash Wilderness Waterway reversed course Wednesday by dropping a proposal to place management of the scenic river in the hands of a board of appointees.

Instead, the panel opted to create a "waterway superintendent" position in hopes that an empowered manager could help resolve the disputes that seem to echo from the Allagash to Augusta every few years.

The group also recommended that the state create a special, protected fund to help finance the waterway.

[url=http://www.bangordailynews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=144143&zoneid=...

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[quote]Instead, the panel opted to create a "waterway superintendent" position in hopes that an empowered manager could help resolve the disputes that seem to echo from the Allagash to Augusta every few years.[/quote]

I would hope that a big supply of valium would be provided as a job perk for such a position.

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Another job created by Baldi.

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Mainelion,

I agree. The Waterway already has a quite competent Manager in the person of Marylin Tourtellotte. Her currect direct responsibility is to the Bureau of Public Land's northern division in Bangor; it would be a simple managerial matter to have her responsible directly to the BPL Director instead.

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Here's an idea. Form a committee to manage the Saco River for those folks from lower Maine and leave the Allagash to us. We can manage it.

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I've often suggested in other fora that if these self-appointed do-gooders, many of whom have been educated well beyond their intelligence, were to place as much concern and effort on the rivers in the southern portions of the state, we'd all better off for it. So many of them will open their remarks in a public hearing on the Allagash with the phrase, "Even though I have never been there..." The Bureau of Public Lands has a lengthy trail of visitor satisfaction surveys, culminating in the Daigle Study of 2003 (97% approval in that one), all of which show a strong support for the present state of affairs along the Allagash. The National Park Service has communicated their satisfaction with the State's current management practices. Continually, idealistic enviros harp on the abstractions in the Allagash Statute and Management Plan while ignoring or in some cases actively downplaying the physical reality of the place. The President of the Allagash Alliance questioned the validity of the Daigle Study on the grounds that Prof. Daigle & his grad students actually went to the Allagash to ask Allagash visitors for their assessments of the Allagash experience. If THAT isn't shooting the messenger, I don't know what is.

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pmh, In your opinion what can we mere citizens do to help the cause? I asume there will be future hearings on the issue, but do you have suggestions as to how folks who do not live in Aroostook County might help?

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Bluejay,

My very first suggestion: be open & honest to the real attributes which are to be found along the Allagash - indeed most of Maine's northern rivers, allowing of course that the Allagash has been given special status amongst them. Go there if you are able; go with an open mind & heart. It's been my experience that those who go with the certitude of preconcieved notions are the more easily disappointed (no matter their destination); in the Daigle Study, the 3% dissatisfaction boiled down to unpredictable weather, uncertain fishing and biting insects. These "shortcomings" can be found in any backwoods recreational setting. My clients who have no preordained knowledge of the area I'm taking them to are always pleased, entertained, relaxed and reinvigorated. Those who know what it's all about before hand are forever snooping into imagined corners fearing/hoping to find a bogeyman.

A second suggestion would be to gain some small understanding, even if you're not visiting the Allagash soon, of the very complicated economic, industrial and social forces which gave birth to the Allagash which through the years has morphed from a busy, noisy and dangerous working region into the sparkling backwoods resource of today. Once there were three villages with their own clusters of social and economic activity along with dozens of individual farms, homes, trapper's cabins and logging camps; there were up till the '50's three schools and one ferry boat! Despite dreams of "wilderness," whatever that abstraction means to you, the 90-ton & 70-ton steam locomotives on the ithsmus between Eagle & Chamberlain lakes (and the 1,000' railroad trestle across Chamberlain Lake - now much-decayed) are a major focus of visitor interest. There are large & small remains of logging & living the entire length of the Waterway. Some outfitters, who seem more concerned with their client put-through than with expanding their clients' appreciation and understanding of where they're being taken, don't even know where the abandoned Lombard loghaulers (the original snowsled-on-steroids) sit. There were once several steamboats which helped haul the log booms to the sluices; the remains of one sit today on the eastern shore of Chamberlain Lake.

Thirdly I would emphasise that the National Park Service has consistently expressed approval of Maine's management of the Waterway, notwithstanding the brouhaha over a permit for the reconstruction of Churchill Dam. A dam, I might suggest, without which logistics along the Allagash would strongly resemble the more remote and therefore "wilder" Saint John River: if you want to canoe the St. John, come during or just after periods of heavy rain becaused otherwise you'll spend a lot of time dragging your canoe.

I could go on with further caveats against the anti-reality, non-historical, non-cultural and non-social agenda of the idealists. This is perhaps not the best forum, unless Scott saw fit to establish a backwoods recreational sideline.

Having said all of the above, and at the risk of being doubly over-long, you should be aware of the broadly-ranging scope of the environmental "industry" which feeds greedily upon the [i]Click Here To Donate[/i] syndrome. There are undertones & undercurrents not always apparent on the Home Page of each of these organizations, but then there are those web pages which do indicate the interconnectedness & the inter-connivingness of those who would do what's "best" for us, whether we wish it, would "benefit" from it, or no. Again, over-long and toward the end lacking in sufficient detail. I assure you the detail is there to be seen if time & effort are at hand. I believe my profile & email are available to you.

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Roger that was some funny...

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pmh-

Great post! As I read your remarks I realized that we've met, at least on the web. Hint: reflector oven.

Mike

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I also seem to recall a forum-based exchange. At least we agree on frame of mind and cooking whilst in the backwoods.

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[size=18]Lawsuit filed to invalidate access points along Allagash River[/size]
February 1, 2007

BANGOR, Maine --A federal lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court on Thursday seeking to invalidate a new state law that calls for the state to maintain 11 motor vehicle access points along the Allagash Wilderness Waterway.

The suit, filed by Charles FitzGerald of Atkinson and Kenneth Cline of Bar Harbor, contends the state law conflicts with the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act, a federal law under which Allagash was designated a wild river area in 1970.

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/02/01/lawsuit_filed...

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This item reveals the mailed fist under the velvet glove of the "maximum wilderness" faction:

Let's all cooperate nicely ...... or we'll sue you.

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(BANGOR, Maine --A federal lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court on Thursday seeking to invalidate a new state law that calls for the state to maintain 11 motor vehicle access points along the Allagash Wilderness Waterway.

The suit, filed by Charles FitzGerald of Atkinson and Kenneth Cline of Bar Harbor, contends the state law conflicts with the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act, a federal law under which Allagash was designated a wild river area in 1970.)

Methinks Charley and Kenny have waaaay too much time on their hands and too much money left in their trust funds eh?

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The Allagash Statute predates the W&SR designation by four years. Representatives of the National Park Service have [i]repeatedly[/i] stated verbally and in writing - in Allagash Council Meetings, public hearings, the River Drivers Retreat, and Legislative hearings - that Maine's Allagash Statute takes precedence. Furthermore, these same NPS representatives have repeatedly stated they find Maine's management of the Allagash has preserved and in many instances enhanced the wilderness experience which formation of the Allagash Waterway was intended to protect. This is not the first time the envirozealots, yup-yups and ivory tower idealists have sought to burn taxpayer dollars in pursuit of their fantasy.

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[size=18]Lawsuit: State law contradicts feds on Allagash access points[/size]

Friday, February 2, 2007
BANGOR (AP) - A federal lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court on Thursday seeking to invalidate a new state law that calls for the state to maintain 11 motor vehicle access points along the Allagash Wilderness Waterway.

The suit, filed by Charles FitzGerald of Atkinson and Kenneth Cline of Bar Harbor, contends the state law conflicts with the Wild and Scenic Rivers Act, a federal law under which Allagash was designated a wild river area in 1970.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/story/197317-3/MaineNews/Lawsuit_State_law_con...

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[quote]Posted By:joyce at February 2, 2007 10:08 AM (Suggest Removal)
Those 11 access points were probably there when Thoreau took his trek down the Allagash! Those access points (and many more no wider than deer trails) were "maintained" by the Native Americans and wildlife in the area. Today, proper access points are needed for emergency access. On a river that immense[/quote]

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As a matter of verifiable data, when the Waterway was established in 1966 there were no fewer than 36 vehicular access points, some records indicate as many as 40; and that's not including the foot trails combined with game trails which themselves evolved into foot trails. These starry-eyed idealists have continually tried to rewrite history in order to substantiate a fantasy. They turn observations into requirements and recommendations into laws with completely cavalier disregard for truth, due process, or structured public input. They will do what they know is best for you, whether you wish it or no. If you do not wish it, they will sue for the right to cram their good works down your throat. This is not inflamatory rhetoric, this is observation of the past several years' of these jackals scratching and gnawing at the doorposts. I can offer documentation.

Paul,
The majority of those access points were and are further north than Thoreau ever got; he only went as far as Pillsbury Island, approximately 1/3 up Eagle Lake. His party then went down by way of Webster Cut and the Penobscot's East Branch. Thoreau never laid eyes on the Allagash River. With an attentive reading of his journals and noting that period's heavy-handed tendency to cut-n-paste others' material into one's own - copywrite laws were not then what they are now - it's fairly easy to build a case that Thoreau never went anywhere near the place at all. Even if he was there, allowing for doubling back toward Telos, of the Waterway's 92 miles Thoreau would have seen at most 22. And telling against the idealists' fairy story, Thoreau's journal - if it's to be believed - describes the Allagash as being over-cut, even in his time.

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We used to be able to drive in the north gate at Baxter Park, up through the commercially harvested portion of the park and out the northwest gate to Telos Landing. That's where the Allagash trip used to start before the Telos Road was built to Chamberlain Bridge. The old Telos Gate Road does not even appear as a trail on the latest DeLorme book of maps. I remember when the DeLorme books were for Mainers with a pioneering spirit. I had a window sticker on my truck as a DeLorme field team member. Now politically incorrect roads and trails are erased annually and the emphasis down there is on "eartha".

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There's more info here, including a link to download a copy of the lawsuit:

http://www.neoutdoorvoice.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2667

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