Halal Meats

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Watcher
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Halal Meats

It might be instructive to search for and read the many articles on the sanitary conditions - or not - of Halal meats being sold in the US of A (and world-wide). A few blogs noted that food inspectors are chary of reporting Muslim food and sanitary conditions infractions for the obvious reasons. It seems the real problem is how the slaughtering is conducted and the disgusting results.

Here is just one blog Halal

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Wow, this is rich. The

Wow, this is rich. The linked article, "NY POST: Worst of the wurst: NYC’s dirtiest ‘alfresco’ food cart vendors", does not seem to use the word "halal," and includes ONE horrifying anecdote of a Muslim vendor who prepares food right in front of customers with dirty hands. Obviously we can't trust the customers to have the sense to avoid such vendors, and obviously, they are lurking everywhere. But this was just the afterthought. Let's look at the *real* argument against halal food espoused by this source:

"The first problem is an employment fairness issue. Halal slaughter requires that Muslims perform all halal rituals. The end result is that Muslims begin to “take over” food production jobs of a nation. The idea that Muslims – who wish to eliminate non-Muslims – control any aspect of non-Muslim food production is disturbing."

"The second problem is a terrorist funding issue. All halal products require the monetary purchase of halal certification from a major Muslim entity – and some of that money inevitably supports terror efforts against the West."

"The third problem is a Muslim immigration scam. Evidently, halal slaughter requires Western nations to import halal butchers from Muslim nations. The scam is that the halal butchers QUIT as soon as they receive their Western immigration status – requiring the constant importation of halal butchers from – you guessed it – Muslim nations."

"The fourth problem is that – where Western countries have banned guns but allow knives – halal butchers can use their butchering skills as very effective human murderers. In essence, the importation of halal butchers is the importation of devout Muslims who would make extremely effective foot soldiers in a fighting war."

You really can't make this stuff up. These arguments are so laughable as to not require an official debunking. And while I would *hope* the person promoting them is prepared to accept the logical consequences -- such as also banning kosher foods -- I rather doubt that he does. Watch out for Muslim butchers, guys...literally! They're going to cut you up!! And serve you as halal certified food!!! Without washing their hands!!!!

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They have been very good for

They have been very good for the goat business in Maine.

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Three Pipe Problem
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Does anyone know a good

Does anyone know a good purveyor of halal meats in southern Maine? It's now impossible to buy lamb for a decent price in the supermarket, but I'm told halal vendors sell it at reasonable rate.

Oh by the way, if you're a Republican of the non-libertarian variety, this is probably why. Warning: not for the squeamish, and you don't want to hear this.

It is Interesting to compare the examples in the linked blog with similar examples from history ("If you have a good nose, you can smell a Jew"), executed with no more finesse, but laughable outside of their historical context.

In all seriousness, it goes a long way to explain why the sort of stuff linked to by Watcher, despite being blatant drivel, is so effective for those who are not actively guarding against this sort of manipulation. The propagandist is to be admired for choosing effective tactics... there is probably no need to make the arguments even remotely plausible... those who are shopping for this sort of stuff will buy. Of course, the greatest irony is that the two biggest right-wing movements in the world each slanders the other in this way, doing effectively the exact same thing.

If you lack 14 minutes, the good part starts around 4:50. The part that explains why your heightened sense of disgust actually makes you a Republican starts a few minutes later. It was already well established that something like 90% of your political orientation is heritable (this holds across many studies and classification schemes). This new evidence, along with the studies of heightened fear response in right-leaning individuals (many studies, including both brain scans and galvanic skin response), goes a long way towards explaining the mechanisms behind that. I don't mean to demonize those of you who naturally fall into this category.. it serves a real evolutionary and protective purpose, obviously, and it's just as easy to lambaste those with the opposite tendencies, as the speaker seems to realize. But without consciousness, it can also make you easy to manipulate, given the tools of modern persuaders.

Watcher
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Three Pipe Problem has a real

Three Pipe Problem has a real problem. I suggested that people check out the situation and he/she comes back with not only nutsy koo-koo stuff and apolagetics for for the Muslim way. Geeze...what wrong with saying look into it?

Libero
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Look in to it? It's

Look in to it? It's whackadoodle! Ok, seriously, the blog spews circular reasoning. What's next? Birther conspiracy theories? The shadowy world government is run by lizard men? How about some intelligent reading: http://political-science.uchicago.edu/faculty-workingpapers/Oliver%20Woo...

Watcher
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Libero...this was the

Libero...this was the absolute dumbest posts I have ever tried to read.

Three Pipe Problem
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Three Pipe Problem has a real

Three Pipe Problem has a real problem. I suggested that people check out the situation and he/she comes back with not only nutsy koo-koo stuff and apolagetics for for the Muslim way. Geeze...what wrong with saying look into it?

Hey guys, let's look into how horrible and disgusting the Muslim food supply is! Watcher, I looked into it and shared my opinion. It's interesting that you consider the ideas I presented, all backed by multiple confirming studies, to be the koo-koo stuff. Science does seem kooky, I admit... it's why we've only had it for a tiny fraction of human existence. And scientific exploration of such issues wouldn't be necessary if people could -- across the board -- trust their "common sense" and intuitions reliably.

The point of the video is that we're wired up so that even the hint of the implication of a taint will make a disgust reaction seem very natural for a lot of folks. That's why the "Ew, Muslims and their food are probably gross, let's explore that" approach is dangerous. From an evolutionary (or an intelligent design) perspective this makes complete sense... Our ancestors lived in an environment where they had no idea what the real sources of "taint" were; so an almost superstituous capacity for group disgust is the correct, precautionary design. Except we have access to a lot more reliable forms of information now.

Most societies facing problems single out a group to hate and blame, and the Muslims are up. To me, the blog Watcher linked to, where the thinking reaches the level of paranoia and the illogic is so blatant, represents this in it's rawest form, and something I will speak passionately against. It is one thing to have a logical discourse about some real aspect of a Muslim-related threat. But linking to paranoid, unscientific, slanderants? You should be ashamed to take that seriously, although I admit you were not advocating it in the strongest form, Watcher.

In labeling my response "Muslim apolagetics [sic]" you missed that I implied pretty bluntly that the propaganda often associated with halal food (to wit, the meme that non-halal food and people who eat it are "disgusting") amounts to exactly the same thing, by a group that as far as I can tell, has an equally neurotic leadership as those who think that Muslims are our big problem.

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