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Hidden Dirigo Numbers?

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Melvin Udall
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Re: Hidden Dirigo Numbers?

Well, you know what they say...."Sure; which way did you come in?"BTW, just what purpose do you think real facts would serve?

David Hughes
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For self-employed and individuals it is supposed to be limited in 2005 to 4500 people total.For small business I have no idea....yet

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Well, first there was the $53MM "Bush-Collins Money" meant for healthcare related relief (not starting a new program)Then they started Dirigo by blowing it through the Legislature.Dirigate refers to the $41MM "kickback" pre-subsidy subsidy to Anthem.Now comes the SOP (POS) where they expect to TAX up to 4% of the claims of all health insurance entities including the self-insured in order to fund the subsidized Anthem product. (Dirigo choice)I'll get you more numbers, the last I knew was 7,000 enrollees (more or less) and a couple of thousand of those were previously uninsured. We still haven't seen the raw data from the applications, just a survey after the fact.

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In mid july there were about 7500 enrollees. Saw an article fromt he biddeford courrier that the author stated he wouldn't get a chance to enroll in his companies plan again till next june '06, so the article ahd to be written after june, and also stated that Dirigo had filled the 4500 person allotment for self-employeed and individuals.
here's a link to the best I could find in terms of figures that you're looking for. Part of the problem is that the program is too new for the snail of government to have collected and processed data into reports. Untill you know the breakdown of the people who have the coverage you can't say how much the coverage actually cost the taxpayer.[url=http://www.mainepolicy.org/Portals/0/dirigo_winter_2005.pdf]http://www.m...

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[QB]I have been trying to do some research on Dirigo Choice, how many people are enrolled, how much it's costing us... etc... but for some reason every source I find is extremely vague.... Is Baldacci's administration trying to cover up the bad response to the program? Because something is not right.. QB]

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J. McKane
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quote:Originally posted by David Hughes:
[b] Part of the problem is that the program is too new for the snail of government to have collected and processed data into reports. Untill you know the breakdown of the people who have the coverage you can't say how much the coverage actually cost the taxpayer.[/b]

The Dirigirls were asked on February 1st the details of the recent enrollees in Dirigo. At that time there were only a few thousand. "We'll get that for you in a few days", we were told. The applications, provided by Anthem, included all of the information we were requesting, the most important being - "Were you previously insured?"We were stonewalled. Finally the Dirigirls came up with the idea of REALLY dragging it out and they hired the Muskie people to do a telephonic survey and they wouldn't release the results until they had contacted EVERY SINGLE ENROLLEE. As it turns out we finally got the first quarter's numbers - in July - and they weren't good for Dirigo.Still, the Governor keeps on spinning on his expensive TV adds - "Join the fastest growing insurance plan in Maine" (and help this failing program look better).

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Insurance Premiums to Increase for Dirigo Subsidy
By Victoria Wallack
While a divided committee wrangles over how much can justifiably be charged to private health care consumers to support the continuation of the Dirigo Health subsidized insurance program, one thing appears certain – your premiums will be going up. [url=http://mainelincolncountynews.com/index.cfm?ID=13988]http://mainelincoln...

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Brent ~ I sincerely hope the DHS computers aren't tracking the dollars.What dollars? :eek:

Michael Vaughan
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quote:Originally posted by Paul Mattson:
[b]...What dollars?[/b]

What computers?

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You know the ones Michael. Square frames ,metal rods and beads you move back and forth. I think Augusta gets a deal on them from China if they buy bulk.

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Maine Health Information has access to data streams; actually DIRIGO is very well monitored---but it is highly restricted.I pleaded w/Tarren to get MHPC to sue to get access, no success.................so we have their co-conspirator, MUSKIE doing 'survey's'. And no one raises a peep about conflict of interest???Only way to squeeze the key data out of DIRIGO is to sue for it, or file a request with the A.G.'s office or the Office of Program Review or ...I want claims data, broken down.I want the full results of that Muskie survey.I want the tabulations of all the DIRIGOHEALTH intake forms.....ain't getting it, neither are you!

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[url=http://www.ellsworthamerican.com/archive/2005/09-01-05/ea_state1_09-01-0...
This is why the State needs to get out of health insurance![ 09-08-2005: Message edited by: Peter ]

Bob Stone
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How is the Muskie Institute funded??

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Asked and aswered on a previous thread.Steven Scharf
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Put the quarry workers back to work and use stone tablets.Oh Oh ~ MECLU Here we come.

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[b]Still, the Governor keeps on spinning on his expensive TV adds - "Join the fastest growing insurance plan in Maine"[/b]Compared to what? Who exactly are they competing against in the growth race? That's like saying "You're my favorite child" to an only child.

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OK; I'm cynical on such matters. But this letter in today's Times Record has all the earmarks of a prior effort drafted in Augusta, submitted through a sumbissive D.

quote: DirigoChoice health plan does much to remedy this inequity in Maine by providing more than 8,000 families with a health care plan. It contributes to economic growth by enabling small business owners to obtain affordable health care for themselves and their employees. It offers children a healthier childhood to better ensure they will grow to a stronger adulthood.

[url=http://www.timesrecord.com/website/main.nsf/news.nsf/0/73105186549384ED0... Choice "for the children."[/url]

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If they are charging employers a "Savings Offset Payment" for the so-called "savings" hypothetically attributable to the introduction of Dirigo, how does that save any employer money? If the so-called "savings" number they come up with really isn't accurate (how could it be?), then the "Savings Offset Payment" amounts to a transfer of wealth from employers and their employees to both the Dirigo enrollees and the massive bureaucracy put in place to administer it.We are heading so far in the wrong direction it is not even funny.[ 09-08-2005: Message edited by: Taxpayer ]

Melvin Udall
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The current projections for SOPs are $67 million a year.

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quote:Originally posted by FJH:
[b]Maine Health Information has access to data streams; actually DIRIGO is very well monitored---but it is highly restricted.
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When requesting information that they do not want the public to see, you have to cross all of your T's and dot all of your I's. I have found this site quite helpful in the past. Dirigo costs are public information, you just have to ask the right way. [url=http://www.nist.gov/admin/foia/foia.htm]web page[/url]

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quote:Originally posted by Melvin Udall:
[b]The current projections for SOPs are $67 million a year.[/b]

being generous and assuming there are 10,000 people enrolled in dirigo that's a claim of saving 6,700 dollars per patient.What? did everyone have surgery or something?

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quote:Originally posted by Melvin Udall:
[b]OK; I'm cynical on such matters. But this letter in today's Times Record has all the earmarks of a prior effort drafted in Augusta, submitted through a sumbissive D. [url=http://www.timesrecord.com/website/main.nsf/news.nsf/0/73105186549384ED0... Choice "for the children."[/url][/b]

Direct from Dirigo Propoganda Central.

J. McKane
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At the DH Board meeting on Tuesday, Trish and her consultants began asserting that Dirigo will measure the savings and then it is up to payors (insurance companies, etc.) to extract the savings after the fact. They are now turning the SOP into a "prospective" offset payment which is COMPLETELY opposite of what was agreed to 2 years ago. The whole reason for the $53 million was to fund the program for the first year so that there would be savings in place when the SOP began.

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