Hillary: Cutting Medicaid will Lead to more Abortions

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Naran
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Hillary: Cutting Medicaid will Lead to more Abortions

Well, okay, understood. However, if you've never utilized the services, or seen the inside of one of their clinics, I don't think it's fair for you to condemn them utterly as being devoid of both family planning and education.

I've been to several, both here and in Massachusetts, and they are about plenty more than just abortion services.

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A little refresher course for those at Planned Parenthood courtesy of Hippocrates:

"To consider dear to me as my parents him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and if necessary to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art if they so desire without fee or written promise; to impart to my sons and the sons of the master who taught me and the disciples who have enrolled themselves and have agreed to the rules of the profession, but to these alone the precepts and the instruction. I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgement [color=red][b]and never do harm to anyone.[/b][/color] To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death. [color=red][b]Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.[/b][/color] But I will preserve the purity of my life and my art. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art. In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot."

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[quote="Naran"]Charlotte, I guess we can cue the crickets on the question I've now asked three times - would the ones on here beating the pro-life drums rather fund birth control, or pay for abortions?

Or are condoms the only "acceptable" contraceptive? What's wrong with birth control pills? Used as a daily dose (as I understand it) they don't kill the child, they only prevent the egg from being fertile.

Thus, not aborting life. What's the problem there? (yes, I understand the Catholic viewpoint on being open to procreation within a marriage, but I'm referring to those who are a different faith).[/quote]

Actually, Naran, birth control pills don't prevent an egg from becoming fertilized. Ulitmately, it is supposed to keep eggs from being released, ovulation, but in the event one slips down the old fallopian tube by accident and becomes fertilized, the hormones in the pill also cause the uterine lining to become a hostile environment for the fertilized egg, thus preventing it from implanting in the uterus and developing into a fetus.

Some Catholics may believe preventing procreation through birth control is "playing God," but other pro-lifers, who view the point of fertilization as the beginning of life, dislike hormonal birth control because of the above mentioned possibility. Pro-lifers' and pro-choicers' disagreement really comes down to one question, when does a human life begin? Is it the moment the sperm penetrates the egg, or after the child leaves his/ her mother's body? Or is it after the egg is planted in the uterus, or when the fetus actually starts to look like a human?

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[quote]Actually, Naran, birth control pills don't prevent an egg from becoming fertilized. [/quote]Thanks Mary for setting the record straight. But pro-aborts are never bothered by little things like facts.

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Mary, this is indeed an old argument. Life begins at the instant of conception. That doesn't change my view that women deserve access to birth control, and abortion services if they choose to do that.

Dist - your lengthy quote serves no purpose. Yes, abortion is killing a baby. That doesn't negate the other services and essential education that Planned Parenthood also provides. Your refusal to admit there are other things going on inside one of their clinics on any average day, means you're simply being closed-minded.

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For its fiscal year ending in 2004, Planned Parenthood reported that it killed 244,628 unborn children by surgical abortion, an increase of 6 percent over the previous year.

That represents 138 killings for each adoption referral it made.

This is a population control organization founded on the eugenics principles of Margaret Sanger. I suggest their motto, as they continue their Christmas season killing, be Scrooge's scowl regarding unwanted children:

"Let them die and reduce the surplus population."

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[quote="Naran"]you're simply being closed-minded.[/quote]

Yes, I admit to being close-minded on this issue. But at least [i]my[/i] form of close-mindedness does not result in or condone the death of innocents, unlike some of the other closed minds on this thread.

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Better to keep the innocent babies from being aborted at 8 weeks by funding birth control pills, methinks.

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[quote="Naran"]Better to keep the innocent babies from being aborted at 8 weeks by funding birth control pills, methinks.[/quote]

So you think it is better to have a fertilized egg flushed from the woman's body, a fertilized egg that in a previous post you said was the start of life, than to abort an 8 week old fetus?

Do you think it is better to have an infant die at 6 months, than to have him die at 8 years?

(I'm just asking to try to understand your reasoning).

I too believe it is better to fund education and pregnancy prevention than to fund abortions, but in some instances, hormonal birth control does cause an abortion, depending on your view of when life begins.

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