House GOP Leaders: Offer a Sustainable State Budget

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rklindell
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[quote="Ska Guy"]I know one business that pays 100 percent of the employee's health insurance and that is the company I work for. My company has about 350 full time employees who pay $0.00 a month for our top on the line health insurance.[/quote]

What is your deductible, copays, and maximum out-of-pocket per year? let's make a fair comparison. How much does your employer pay you after covering 100% of your health insurance? Are your other benefits just as generous? Is your employer making a profit?

Health insurance is just one part of an overall compensation package. The value of all pay and benefits are added up to come to that cost. An employee tends to be paid whatever he is worth to his employer - in the private sector.

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rklindell;
Can I infer from your post that public employees are not paid for their value
as employees?

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He'll answer eventually...

But meanwhile....

Since public employees have an organization which purports to negotiate their "average value" through "collective bargaining" and which prevents any semblence of merit based pay, overpaying and protecting the laggarts while underpaying the go-getters...

[quote]...public employees are not paid for their value as employees?[/quote]I'd say no.

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Michael, you are an intelligent man. You know that the unions cannot advocate punishment. All contracts have progressive discipline articles. If inept managers fail to utilize those articles because they themselves are doing worse, or whatever the reasons, you cannot blame the unions.

I would dare say that cronyism is a great part of the problem with state and municipal hiring. The best qualified candidate rarely gets the job. There is no such thing as bad crews, only bad leaders. I have said this time and time again, but everyone wants to blame the unions.

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[quote="Robert"]Michael, you are an intelligent man.[/quote]Thank you, you're not so bad yourself.

[quote]...you cannot blame the unions[/quote]What would a state employee have to do to get fired?

How many millions of dollars of the taxpayer's money would a person have to lose or waste with no explaination before they could be sued or "let go"?

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[quote="Michael Vaughan"] What would a state employee have to do to get fired?
[/quote]

A series of poor performance evaluations. Not doing his or her job. But management is probably to busy covering their own sins or just too damn lazy to manage, too be bogged down worrying about what the worker is doing. Clean up management for starters. Without good managers, nothing will change.

An old union saying, "management has the right to mismanage."

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[quote="Bruce Libby"]rklindell;
Can I infer from your post that public employees are not paid for their value
as employees?[/quote]

Not necessarily. Some are way underpaid - others have no business being employed in their current positions. The problem is that there is no system of accountability to separate the former from the later.

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This is really a topic for another post but
for all the talk by legislators about our benefits
and conditions of poor performance here we are starting to
hit a area where there could be some progress,management.

That old saying of "managers have the right to mismanage is wrong.
The one thing in public employment we union members know is
they don't!

For all the knowledge about such things in 36 years I have had many contacts
with legislators that come thru on the arms of managers and are fed the
standard line. I have never had a member come in and sit down and talk with us,
observe our work! I'll tell you this if you want to get whiplash come to my
workplace and be on a tour headed for me, you will be turned away very quickly!

There is more of a management problem than anyone knows.

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One of the contributing problems is that the union represents both workers and management!!! What a system. Only management at the higher levels is really management. The lower level folks are union people being managed by union people. Wink, wink. Nod, nod. And tell me - what motivation exists for managment to be diligent? Why should they save the state money? Will they be rewarded? Will they get a raise? Will they share in the savings? No. No. and No.
In many businesses, if a manager makes good decisions that save the company money they get rewarded. Not in state government. No motivation to do a good job whatsoever.

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