If the Ron Paul followers aren't going to do that, then they are not real Republicans.
Apollo, that is known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. You seem to be adept at using quite a few of the fallacies... any special training or does it come naturally?
Reality Check is just the greatest find, can you imagine if the worthless MSM had the same journalistic integrity as this Fox affiliate
To Apollo and all you real Republicans.
Elections aren't about you and the GOP.
Americans vote in elections and that doesn't mean only precious GOPers and Democrats.
Unfortunately the two parties have stacked the election laws in their favor, so for liberty minded voters, we pretty much have to play by those rules and we did and we won and now you attempt to steal our small victory in Maine. Playing by your rules.
Some of you are a bunch of cheating lying sobs as we already knew you to be. Its tough having to be in the same room with you, but we are forced to be by the election laws of this country. This isn't about the GOP, its about Americans being allowed to vote.
If you really feel that way, that the GOP isn't important, and you really don't like it or its leaders, then why be a member of it? Shouldn't you be an unenrolled voter? Members of the Republican Party should do everything they can to support the party and its nominee, not tear it down at every opportunity.
By the way, Gary Johnson is on the ballot in Maine. Unless the laws in Maine have changed, if he gets 5% of the vote in Maine, then the Libertarian Party would get permanent ballot access. Someone let me know if that is still the case.
some people believe that supporting the party means that they insist the party elected hold the values of the party. for those people they do not see Romney as being that person.
some people who are registered as republican believe that another four years of Obama is no different than a Romney presidency~ why? I will put it simply~ if mice are eating your corn crop a kernel at a time (romney and/or any other republican that wont protect economic and personal liberty) or if deer (obama and other socialists) eat it all in one night ~ whats the difference??? nothing. your corn is still gone....the only difference is the speed.
I have stated many times I plan to support Romney as I expect him to be the nominee. But i would prefer Ron Paul and that is who I am supporting.
Both sides know we had the numbers at the convention and elected our slate, exactly as the McCain campaign did four years ago. We also all know that all the delays and challenges were done by the Romney camp. We also know the Romney camp insisted on removing Ann Robinson, who the Paul camp accepted as a compromise and that is what caused the chaos.
Its obvious to everyone paying attention that this is an attempt to cheat and subvert the process and disenfranchise voters. The only question we don't know the answer to is who is behind this cheating?
Is it Jan and Peter gone rogue as sore losers? Is it leaders in the Maine party? Is it the RNC or is it the Romney campaign?
The next few days will tell us how deep the corruption of deceitful voter suppression runs.
Hold fast Delegates! Stick to your principles and your position. You are in the right here. I agree with Pete Harring's assessment that the attempt to unseat you is an example of corruption in the GOP!
Mitt Romney should be ashamed to have his Maine campaign chairman involved in such underhanded tactics. He's going to with the nomination anyway. He doesn't need to have his people playing dirty like this!
Apollo's statement in Post 49 is absolute baloney!! Most of us who supported Ron Paul, and still believe our elected delegates should be seated and should vote for him, will ultimately vote for the Republican nominee. We will not vote for Obama. Nearly everyone realizes that a 3rd party vote in this election would only help Obama.
I believe the 5% rule was eliminated back in 98 when it looked like Tom Connelly might get less than 5% against King. The current law requires 30,000 people to register in your party. As was done by Bloomberg's American's Elect party.
In 1990 Andrew Adam gave status to the Libertarians and in 1992 Perot did for the Reform party but these proved to be mixed blessings. Once you have party status you need 2000 signatures to run for statewide office from people registered in your party. Good luck finding that, or even 25 in a house district. The Greens can barely field a handful in only a few ultra urban districts.
Well put Stavros. I did not know Ann Robinson was a compromise. I can however understand why there was objection now...Ms. Robinson is a class act and could not be manipulated.
I am wondering if this deciet will cause a loss for Romney. Think about the numbers and how close Presidential elections are. We really can't afford to disenfranchise any voters that for the most part care about Constitutional government. I hear the hoopla that the Ron Paul folks are pot heads or anti war activists, but the truth of the matter is the vast majority are everyday people concerned with the direction this country is headed.
I do know the more I think of what happened hear the more ticked off I get. What ever happen to a good clean fight. No wonder the general public is disgusted with politics as usual.
You don't get it, do you? Being an unenrolled voter gives you nothing but your vote for either the D or the R that has already been selected.
I and many others enroll as republican so we can influence the selection during the primary. That is our hope, to help in the selection of a better R candidate. That was our hope when we went to the town caucuses and got elected to be a town delegate. That was our hope when we met in Augusta and outvoted the Romney supporters and voted in our slate of convention delegates.
Then the Republican Party tries to disenfranchise us with a law suit, we played under your rules, we won, you lost. Then you give us this crap about being a real republican and only supporting one candidate. Why did the GOP even have a vote at the state convention? Why did we town delegates waste our time thinking that our vote would actually be counted?
Shouldn't we be able to sue the Republican Party for voter fraud, because this certainly smells of stealing that election.
But this doesn't surprise me in the least, nor would it surprise many of the town delegates that showed up and voted in Augusta. We know the two party system is rotten, it proves itself again.
And you want us to be real republicans?
Nearly everyone realizes that a 3rd party vote in this election would only help Obama.
Not if you vote in Maine, because it would have to be one bizarre election if Maine's delegate number put either candidate in the whitehouse.
I'd say that a third party vote by everyone with a mind to in Maine is just what the doctor ordered for this sickness of Spy vs Spy.
I believe it was 1992 when GHW Bush came in third in Maine behind Ross Perot.
The Governor of Maine, Paul LePage, in a conversation five minutes ago said that if they do not seat the Maine Delegation at the RNC, he will not go. These folks need to be seated.
The Governor gave me explicit permission to make this public.
Good for you Governor ... I appreciate, once again, that you stand up for what is right for Maine
Our Governor rocks!
Governor Lepage - one reason why I'm a registered republican
" ... Brent Tweed did not endorse Obama. He stated that it would be better for Obama to win than Romney. His reasoning seems obvious to me -- ... "
whatever his reasoning, Brent Tweed was the chair of the 2012 Republican Convention and making such a statement appears to be an endorsement, and it also appears that what may be better for the Republican party is at odds with what will be better for the United States of America.
Anyway, even if all the RPers would jump on the Romney train and push it with all their might, Obama will get a majority of votes in November and the 4 electoral votes cast from Maine will be in the Democratic column. A better use of energy would be to do some phone banking in so-called "purple states"
Traci G, post #65 is an outstanding post.
Thank you Bob S. its too bad that more people did not see candidates like Ron Paul or Allen West ( my dream presidential canidate) as the scare crow in the corn garden that keep the mice and deer away.
How many are simply tired of the entire fiasco as I am? For both sides, congratulations, this is nothing but a major embarassment to the party....as I've stated before, we learned how to win, but we haver NOT learned how to lead....
Speaking of Romney:
Fox News poll: Obama's lead grows as Romney's support slips
Mitt Romney has had a tough couple of weeks on the campaign trail -- and it shows in the latest Fox News poll. After a barrage of campaign ads, negative news coverage of his overseas trip and ongoing talk about his tax returns, Romney’s favorable rating and standing in the trial ballot have declined. As a result, President Obama has opened his biggest lead since Romney became the presumptive Republican nominee.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-obama-lead-grow...
We are looking at a landslide re-election victory for Barrack Hussein. Has this country lost all its marbles?
Here is a source on LePage's announcement.
LePage threatens to skip GOP convention
4:18 PM, Aug 10, 2012
PORTLAND, Maine (AP) - Maine Gov. Paul LePage says he won't attend the Republican National Convention unless the state delegation is seated.
Conservative commentator Ray Richardson recounted his conversation with the governor on his Facebook page on Friday. He said the governor gave him permission to make the conversation public.
A spokesman for LePage declined comment other than to say that the governor supports Mitt Romney and wants the delegation to be allowed to participate.
Well, what came out of the big meeting at the RNC HQ in DC yesterday?
Are Jan and Peter suggesting that no Maine delegates get seated? Or do they want to find a way to seat an alternate slate?
John McKane, yes, the country truly has lost its marbles. Electing Obama in the first place proves that. It's the world turned upside down........he is not just "a little bit different". Now we know quite a bit more about what the American people are capable of doing (and I don't mean that in a good way).
Prager Zeitung, a publication in the Czech Republic, dated 18 April 2011 (I believe this now qualifies as public domain):
“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”
Threepipe, you are being far too kind to Tweed when you say he had a complex, nuanced view of Romney vs. Obama. His entire statement as a whole made clear that he was simply saying Romney = Obama. Which is one of the most idiotic things I have heard any one say in a long time, and betrays a complete lack of understanding.
Considering that you considered anyone as just plain stupid or worse to support Ron Paul, this argument to vote for Romney as the last hope for America will not sway me in the least. Romney is more like Obama than most in the GOP dare to admit. Or is it that Obama is more like Romney than the democrats dare to admit. This idea that by voting for Romney will save America from it's excesses is a farce.
In fact this present Obama Romney Race is exactly like the previous decades of presidential races before it. Two bad choices always going towards the middle of political thought so to garner the most votes. That middle is always towards socialism as Americans attempt to vote themselves largesse and false security.
Yes there are fools afoot and they continue to tell us that this is the most important election of our lifetime and we must vote for the lesser of two evils to save ourselves. We see financial ruin ahead, the matter seems more dire, but the bad choices are still the same.
I'd look to the actions of the congress and the supreme court for further evidence of the corruption of our nation, this is not about one administration. The rot is systemic.
Did the big meeting happen? Will Maine's delegates get their letters tomorrow?
Mike G: regarding your last line, on that we can agree.
The statement by the contested delegation on the RNC decision.