Idiotic "militia" standoff in Oregon

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Ammon Bundy has stated many

Ammon Bundy has stated many times that the occupation was God's will, and that God "clearly" wanted him to go to Oregon because God was displeased with what was happening there. Other militia men also spoke about the occupation being the will of God.
I wonder if he's going to use the "God made me do it." defense.
Re: Levoy Finicum, of all the people involved in this mess, he seemed to me to be the most sincere and well-intentioned. (Especially compared to some of the screaming, violent occupiers that showed up on camera) Given his calls to "...just shoot me." and apparent reach for a gun, one wonders if he actually wanted to die for the cause. Too bad for the ones left behind.

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Bruce, I agree with you on

Bruce, I agree with you on many points but you are wrong on this one. We are not in Oregon anymore. We are now in Anytown, USA. It has become a place where the police view the populace as targets and perps asking to be shot. Anyone on this forum what to describe how the two women in the pickup were supposed to hear commands to cease and desists before they were shot in the back. Perhaps how the 14 yr old boy was supposed to react when he was given less that 1 second after a command was given before the officer gunned him down in cold blood.

The point I am making is that police are no longer attempting to determine if they have the right suspect or if the suspect is a threat. It appears that those who exhibit this type of behavior are trying to get themselves into the "I killed a perp" club. It's a sorry excuse for an officer to demand the public's respect when he has neither earned it nor demonstrated his ability to be in a position to be trusted. Unfortunately, the actions of a few determine the reputation of the many. The other part is that prosecutors deny justice to families of deceased police victims when they refuse to press the obvious charges or when juries are intimidated by police if they dare to find an officer guilty of an obvious crime. The result of those actions are clearly seen in the lack of respect that officers now are given.

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Fine it still belongs in Toms' thread better than this one.
Because there is not anything but this was a justified shoot.
There is not one bit of evidence to prove differently ,except the desire to use a narrative to promote a political viewpoint.

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Not one bit of evidence? How

Not one bit of evidence? How about he had his damn hands in the air? Right, because people who exit vehicles with their hands in the air, especially when guns are trained at them, want to be shot.

I don't believe your line of thinking could be more moronic if you tried, but then Jasper et al continue to amaze us every day.

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Bruce Libby the new wooden

Bruce Libby the new wooden spoon on AMG

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Abacus - a) he didn't have

Abacus - a) he didn't have his hands in the air when he was shot, and b) when someone repeats over and over "Just shoot me.", it's reasonable to assume that he wants to be shot.

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Better a spoon than a hammerhead !

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Abacus

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I asked something and you choose to continue with the jasper remarks.
Obviously, you are incapable of dealing with him and seems that is all you have.
That says more about you than him.

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Abacus has a man crush on me

Abacus has a man crush on me and has been stalking me for years now.

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Maybe this will end

Maybe this will end differently?
http://interactive.nydailynews.com/2016/02/state-of-jefferson-secessioni...
"They, however, are committed to a political solution rather than an armed rebellion."
"With almost 70 percent of Siskiyou owned and controlled by the federal and state authorities, it’s easy for people to lay blame at the government’s door."

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Well, the feds finally moved

Well, the feds finally moved in, and the remaining occupiers have agreed to turn themselves in this AM. The cleanup is going to take a long time. Meanwhile, there's a move afoot to make them pay the cost of dealing with them for over a month. Jail time, criminal felony records, and a lifetime paying for the damage they've done will be the final result of their efforts, plus the death of someone who seemed to be a fine man.

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This says it all.PPH article

This says it all.PPH article on standoff.

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/02/11/occupiers-at-oregon-refuge-say-the...

Time for everyone to do the Bellows !

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Jail time, criminal felony

Jail time, criminal felony records, and a lifetime paying for the damage they've done will be the final result of their efforts, plus the death of someone who seemed to be a fine man.

Too bad that couldn't be applied to the BlackLM and Occupy movements as well.

And now, David Allen says the "Idiotic" militia members are to blame for our government murdering Lavoy Finicum.
The statists seem to be coming out of the closet in droves lately.

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I never said the "militia

I never said the "militia members" were to blame for Finicum's death. Finicum was responsible for Finicum's death. Notice that the Bundys and others are still alive. They were smart enough to surrender and will have their day in court. If Finicum had followed suit and hadn't fled, he'd still be alive.

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I asked something and you

I asked something and you choose to continue with the jasper remarks.
Obviously, you are incapable of dealing with him and seems that is all you have.
That says more about you than him. ~Bruce Libby

Yes, I made a choice. Amazing how that works. I decided to ignore your *request* and do as I saw fit. You have no control to direct me in any way. Perhaps it's about time you realized that.

I reference jasper because he is the epitome of illogical, irrelevant, and skewed thinking. A 'jasper' is someone who takes pot-shots without regard to facts, shows disdain for logical thinking, and reaches conclusions no sane person could make.

The guy was in knee deep snow and exited the vehicle with his hands in the air until shot in the side. He wasn't going anywhere so there was no need to shoot, but you keep ignoring that little fact. The helicopter video (with no audio) is the ONLY record released of what happened, no ground audio or video to substantiate the aerial video. I wonder why that is. Probably because it shows something the shooters don't want scrutinized. It was an ambush and a kill zone, nothing more. Anyone with any common sense at all can see there was no need to shoot, no need at all.

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Canada Free Press calls it

Canada Free Press calls it about right:

For any who missed it, the government is sending out a loud and clear message to its people:
•Do not even try to protest the imprisonment of any area ranchers in dispute over federal land ownership just because you see them as our neighbours;
•Do not question the authority of the government in any way;
•Do not talk but remain stoically silent about the death of any man shot down at one of our ‘traffic stops’.
•We are the Government, the law unto ourselves;
•We are the owners of your life, your land and the families who depend on you whenever and wherever we so choose.

http://canadafreepress.com/article/what-your-government-is-up-to-while-y...

They also have been publishing a multi part series by Gary Hunt, an inside reporter with the ranchers.

http://canadafreepress.com/members/1/Gary-Hunt/883

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Abacus Thank you

Abacus
Thank you

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David Allen imagines:

David Allen imagines:
" If Finicum had followed suit and hadn't fled, he'd still be alive."

Finicum did not flee. He was enroute to a government scheduled property rights forum in a neighboring county to which he was invited by government. He was essentially given a free pass to attend that event. He was ambushed on a curve where he had to drive off the road to avoid hitting government vehicles and possibly causing injury to someone. He never tried to injure anybody. He was shot with his hands up. he needed to move his arms to keep his balance in the knee deep snow, but he was doing his best to keep his hands up.

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Ugenetoo

Ugenetoo

A reminder I have never disagreed on the issue it has been the attempted resolution
I disagree with.

Funny the Canada free press,a country where gov. restrictions surpass most ,sought of like pot/ kettle thing.

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Oh boy, everyone has left

Oh boy, everyone has left except David Fry. He's railing right now about UFOs and space aliens, war, abortion, taxes, and worst of all they won't give him his marijuana. He's threatening suicide, too or death by cop. He says he doesn't care at all about the "cause" people were there for. He wants assurances that he won't have to pay taxes for stuff he doesn't like - even if he goes to prison. Oh, and the government is chemically altering people and nukes are leaking. What a doof.

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David

David
He did the Bellows also!

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no Roger. He did flee. He

no Roger. He did flee. He was stopped and ordered out of his vehicle. One of his passengers did so and is safely tucked away in jail. Finicum hesitated for four minutes or so and then took off - i.e. fled. He did not have his hands up when he was shot. Apparently you are blinded by your beliefs. If he had obeyed law enforcement when first stopped, and if he had been a law-abiding citizen, he'd be alive today. By the way, if he did indeed have a gun in his inside pocket, he was breaking Oregon law.
In any case, the occupation by people who weren't even from Oregon, let alone the community, is over. Some people will most likely go to jail - including the Bundy patriarch, and one person is dead. The Hammonds are still in jail as well. This probably cost the taxpayers millions, and will take a long, long time for that community to heal.
I wonder how Mainers would react if a bunch of self-appointed militia types from out of state took over Acadia or Moosehorn.

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According to the other

According to the other occupants, the truck was shot at at the initial stop.
Your call David Allen.
Flight or fight?

It's quite obvious you haven't listened to much of anything except the MSM on this issue.
Which is your favorite, MSNBC, or CNN?

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In an "unrelated" development

In an "unrelated" development...

EXCLUSIVE: FBI sting to arrest 86 Americans in massive BLM cover-up

By: Julie Wilson
Date: February 11, 2016
in: Corruption, Government

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, 74, was arrested late yesterday evening while exiting a plane at Portland International Airport on his way to Burns, Ore., a town located 30 miles south of the federally owned Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, the site of a months-long standoff between free-loving land owners and the U.S. government.

Celebrated for standing up to government land-grabs in 2014, Bundy has been charged with conspiracy to interfere with a federal officer, an allegation that reportedly stems back to his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management, which tried stripping he and his family of land-use rights they spent a century earning. The charges are identical to those filed against seven protestors (including his son Ammon Bundy) who occupied the wildlife refuge in protest of government overreach.

NewsTarget has received exclusive information that Bundy’s arrest, which was made using facial recognition technology and TSA goons, may not be isolated, but is in fact the first of many to come in an effort to silence those who obtained incriminating information about the BLM and its unlawful land grabs.

more info: http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-fbi-sting-to-arrest-86-am...

Related: EXCLUSIVE: Massive Cover-up – BLM leases Hammond ranch land to Russia through Clinton Foundation donors for uranium

http://www.newstarget.com/2016-02-11-exclusive-massive-cover-up-blm-leas...

Now where have I heard this before?....

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Well I'll be FBI under

Well I'll be FBI under investigation, what are they hiding?
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_ag...,
they are still calling it justified but who knows.....

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To resist the King's soldiers

To resist the King's soldiers is to resist the King himself.

And Hillary Clinton will not be indicted for violating National Security Laws, because she is part of the King's court.

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The odious part is that the

The odious part is that the court of the ballot box is so misinformed about her or simply choose to ignore the facts before them that her continued place within the kings court is still possible.

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Oregon Officials Call LaVoy

Oregon Officials Call LaVoy Finicum Death “Disturbing”

Watching the video, it is obvious that LaVoy Finicum never posed a threat, and voiced his intentions clearly. The shooting of the vehicle after LaVoy was shot and killed was also unnecessary. It is clear that the U.S. Government meant to send a message: “Stand against the Obama administration, and you will be executed in cold blood.”

http://canadafreepress.com/article/oregon-officials-call-lavoy-finicum-d...

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Note that the most complete

Note that the most complete coverage comes from the Canada Free Press.

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Finicum’s Wake

Finicum’s Wake

The late rancher LaVoy Finicum sought to elude the state’s armed enforcers, but he wasn’t attempting to evade the law. His intent, as he explained clearly and repeatedly to OSP troopers before the lethal ambush at a roadblock on Oregon Highway 395, was to travel to John Day to meet with Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer, who could have taken him into custody, if just cause existed for that action.
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Finicum had been shot at three times while approaching the roadblock– a fact demonstrating that combat protocols, rather than “civilian” deadly force standards, were in place. As he exited the vehicle, Finicum was nearly killed before he was given an opportunity to submit to arrest.

Much is said about the “reasonable officer” standard of deadly force, and correspondingly little attention is paid to the perceptions of those who are targeted by such force. When the HRT attempted to kill him as he exited the vehicle, Finicum – like any reasonable person – most likely assumed that his captors intended to execute him. Although this may not have been what the OSP had in mind, it was clearly what the HRT intended.

Just as the OSP and Deschutes County Sheriff’s Office didn’t share their plans with Sheriff Palmer in Grant County, the HRT operators weren’t on the same page as the OSP troopers at the roadblock. Whether this reflects premeditation or pathological improvisation is impossible to tell at this point. The fact that the HRT operators conspired to conceal their actions argues strongly for the first possibility.

Source:
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2016/03/finicums-wake.html

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