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Article 1 Section 9 of the U. S. Constitution reads, “the migration or importations of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight”. Article 1 Section 8 gives the Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization” by which the importees become citizens of the United States. Anyone who was already here automatically became a citizen. The privilege of voting is an entirely different matter and was governed by the terms of the individual State constitutions. Maine, for example, considered only male citizens of the United States of the age of 21, excepting paupers; persons under guardianship and Indians not taxed being resident for at least 3 months next preceding any election.
These provisions did not abolish slavery but merely enabled the Congress to stop it. The clause however illustrates the intent of the framers quite clearly and that is they wanted to reserve the expansion of the population to those already in the country at its adoption. To say they intended the country to be a haven for the downtrodden and oppressed borders on the ridiculous. Slavery or involuntary servitude was common in the mother country of England but occurred as a result of debt. The slavery or involuntary servitude prevalent in the south from the country’s founding had existed for centuries as a consequence of war.
What these terms meant for the South, if the Congress was to carry through on its promise to stop slavery in 1808, was the plantation owners would have to grow their own replacements as opposed to purchasing them in the marketplace. This they did, but in the process needed to support not only the able bodied who could work, but the very young and the very old. Article 4 Section 2 of the Constitution made provision for the return of any person held to service or labor in one State had to be returned on claim of the party to whom the service was due.
Disregarding the implications of these provisions it is clear that the Congress, under the law can only stop immigration and it is only the original 13 States who can allow people in. The intent was to grow the country’s population from within and that was even before we won Florida in a war, bought the Midwest from the French and won Arizona, New Mexico and California from the Mexicans in a war and bought Alaska from the Russians. All of which, including the United States were stolen from their indigenous populations.
When the population of the country was first determined by the 1790 census, most of the population was not even counted, certainly not the resident Indians. By 2015 all ethnic groups, save Hispanics, was below replacement and the overall total was below replacement, that is 2.1 per mother. So where is our population growth coming from? The answer is legal and illegal migration from Hispanic countries. If you don’t believe me look to the demographics of our population and you will note that only Hispanics in the U. S. have a birth rate above 2.1. Whites and Blacks are 1.85 and Asians even lower.
We may be a country of laws but the politicians do not obey or enforce the ones that don’t suit them. The Constitution of the United States is the law of the land and all the immigration laws passed by the Congress and enforced by the Executive are unconstitutional. You cannot amend the Constitution except by the process spelled out in the document. Congress has no authority to amend it by legislation.

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Other words after 1808

Other words after 1808 Congress can do what they choose.
" shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight”.
Article 1 Section 8 gives the Congress the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization”

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No, the date was 1824 when

No, the date was 1824 when John Marshall gave Congress the green light to ignore all the prohibitions or limitations built into the Constitution. The case was McCulloch versus Maryland is a lesson in contradiction. He uses the same arguments as Alexander Hamilton did in convincing George Washington to sign the National Bank Act, "the end justifies the means" and the "Congress can do anything that is not prohibited".

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I believe in the idea of

I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.

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They should be given six

They should be given six months to report to authorities for extreme vetting in order to qualify for that amnesty, and another six months to go through the citizenship process. The REAL process all the other LEGAL immigrants have gone through, not some special Dreamer version.
No chain migration for the dreamers. None. No relatives whatsoever.
Any with criminal records go back.
If they don't show up, round them up, and send them back.
That's my plan that begins just as soon as the wall is built.

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Ugenetoo is spot on!

Ugenetoo is spot on!

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I agree also. A process

I agree also. A process should also go along with a complete return to immigration prior to
"Lion of the Senate" legislation to revamp immigration for vote.

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Beginning in the mid 1980s we

Beginning in the mid 1980s we stopped converting land to agriculture to grow food. Since then we have also topped out in the output of crops per acre, now requiring irrigation and fertilization to achieve that. Everyone in addition to our current population requires we add nearly two acres to our agricultural base to feed them. We do export considerable surplus of grains (wheat and corn) but in exchange we import enough fruits and vegetable to feed over 50 million. At the current rate of immigration, both legal and illegal and natural reproduction by our citizens, particularly those of Hispanic origin we will reach a point before the turn of the next century, where consumption will equal production. What will happen then? It starts first with homelessness then malnutrition. Does anything currently occurring in our own country seem to follow this pattern? If you doubt it is, you have your head in the sand.

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Beginning in the mid 1980s we

Beginning in the mid 1980s we stopped converting land to agriculture to grow food. Since then we have also topped out in the output of crops per acre, now requiring irrigation and fertilization to achieve that.

Got anything to show this ?

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I think the first thing that

I think the first thing that should happen is that employers who hire ILLEGALS should be put in prison.......Stop treating the symptoms and start treating the disease.

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My grandmother worked all day

My grandmother worked all day in a green house after working at her farm She would then walk to town in the evenings to take citizenship classes so she could pass the test to become a U S citizen.

Amnesty my butt. She worked for the privilege, others should also.

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Ugenetoo: Statistics fro the

Ugenetoo: Statistics fro the U. S. Department of Agriculture. They are available on the internet by logging onto the Departments website. They should be fairly accurate because the government subsidizes the production and needs to know the amounts produced in order to calculate the amount of subsidies to be paid. You will note from the wheat statistics that the yield figures have topped out as I said and the amount of land planted has also topped out. There is an exchange with corn in particular areas because higher subsidies are being paid for corn in order to produce ethanol. Corn however requires more water per kcal and it too will have a limit in bushels per acre unless it is irrigated in areas with insufficient water to produce the yield.

An interesting side note is the science of hydroponics. It demonstrates that plant life and grow without the minerals and other contaminants in the earth. The problem is the plants don't need them but the animals and birds that eat them do. These are iron, magnesium, calcium, etc. that are dissolved in the water that ordinarily grown plants obtain from the earth because they are dissolved in the water they utilize in growth. Nature recycles these elements in rain and could be added to the water in hydroponics.

Another side note: It was not widely publicized but the city of Cape Town, in South Africa is going to run out of water in April under current usage. They are undergoing a serious drought and have for several years. There is no mention of the impact of the drought on their food production and the reason is obvious. South Africa is a rich country in gold and diamonds and can afford to use that wealth in trade to buy food, similar to Saudi Arabia that does not grow enough food to feed its population but has its oil in order to buy it. South Africa, just like the U. S. is a haven for Congolese, Rhodesians and other neighboring countries who either have nothing to trade for food or have elaborate nor welfare systems to more equally distribute what they have.

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Ugenetoo

Ugenetoo
I think you should start bottling water for sale in So. Africa.

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SA is running out of water

SA is running out of water and will run out of food because of white genocide.
The black majority have been taking the productive farms away from the white producers and when they resist, they're killed.
Under the black leadership, the farms have failed, and one would be reasonably able to assume that the water systems have suffered the same fate.
The boom in agriculture started at the end of the second WW when the nitrogen manufacturers needed a market for their products.
Instead of using the nitrates for bombs, it was discovered that it could be used to fuel crop increases.
American agriculture has increased yields ever since.
You cite statistics that would, on a short time basis, indicate a leveling off of yields.
That is your mistake.
Long term, yields are going up, and will continue to increase due to breakthroughs in genetic modification as well as other research.
Any drop in yields will be due to economic reasons, not because the crops have reach a "plateau".
Hydroponics will be used for non essential food items, but food staples like the big there, corn, soybeans, and wheat, will be produced in the field for the foreseeable future.
Those minerals that you call contaminants are essential for health, and may be missing in hydroponic produce.
Here in Maine, we've lost thousands of acres back to forestland because other parts of the country are able to produce commodities much cheaper.
The same thing has happened in many other areas of the US.
If we were faced with some sort of catastrophe in another part of the world that required it, I'm confidant that the American farmer could nearly double their total output if need be.
Kcals, indeed !

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Mistake ? pro probably are

Mistake ? pro probably are correct.

You haven't read the books have you ? Which why you are correct.
Be aware that if you are joining a select AMG group, Ungenetoo you will have to Bobbsy #3.

Ugenetoo
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Sorry BL.

Sorry BL.
I'm not a team player.

Bruce Libby
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OK, you can be #1 if you want

OK, you can be #1 if you want.

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Not much of a leader either.

Not much of a leader either.
As usual, I get #2.

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