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Another new Sunday hunting bill on Augusta agenda today
By John Holyoke
Thursday, March 1, 2007 - Bangor Daily News

A year ago, during the Sportsman's Alliance of Maine's annual Sportsman's Congress, Sunday hunting was a hot topic of conversation "¦ again.

"At best half the hunters in the state of Maine favor it, it's an incredibly divisive issue for sportsmen and we saw that play itself out recently ... and perhaps most important, the public doesn't want it," Tom Doak of the Small Woodland Owners Association said at the time.

[url=http://janus.state.me.us/legis/LawMakerWeb/summary.asp?ID=280022681]LD 307 Bill Summary[/url]

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Everyone who knows me understands how much of an outdoorsman / Sportsman I am. I however am also a traditionalist. Maine has a long heritage of not allowing Sunday hunting. I realize that other states allow this. I also understand that many believe this will help out the areas where hunting trips and guiding are a source of income. I have grown up not hunting on Sunday and respect that. I always will. I have another fear in mind that allowing Sunday hunting in ANY capacity may indeed increase kill rates per on various wild game. We've seen declines the last few years of birds and ducks and and extra day a week for the season may see less birds or games over the coming years.

There already are commercial game farms in the state that do allow hunting on Sunday. Check the IFW website for those.

Again, I'm and avid deer hunter, duck hunter and bird hunter. But, until the Wildlife Management officials do a feasibility study of the what the impact of Sunday hunting will do to the kill rates of the wildgame involved, I will not support this. There's a difference in managing an overpopulation of game versus proposing Sunday hunting to satisfy a few people who can't any other day of the week. This is a bad idea in general.

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We need to eliminate every vestige of the blue laws we have on the books. This law that bans Sunday hunting has absolutely no basis in anything but religion and it needs to be struck down.
We are hurting our economy and we are lessening the opportunity for people to practice a sport that is as old as the human race itself and thus also reducing the number of people who actually hunt.
A stupid law if there ever was one.
J.

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re: We need to eliminate every vestige of the blue laws we have on the books.

I disagree. Blue laws were not without merit. For one thing, they enabled society to stop and smell the roses.

No Sunday hunting.

skf

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I smell roses...

on Wednesday.

My wife works on Sundays. Shall we close all the stores?
All blue, or no blue, in my opinion.

Most people work six days a week and Sunday is their only day
to have fun.

I'm in favor of repealing the ban on Sunday hunting. Control
the kill with the number or price of the licences.

That's my two cents.

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I think we'd see an increase in "posted" land if hunting were allowed on Sundays...and that would only hurt the hunters.

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SKF and Matt, I'm with you. I'm a traditionalist, too. Stop and realize there are others who want to enjoy the woods in the fall aside from the hunters and they should have a right to do so. Autumn is a favorite time of year for many of us with the foliage and after the leaves have dropped. I agree with SAM on many issues, but this is one I won't budge on.

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Good point KathyP. I know several people who work on firewood on Sundays that time of year.

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I can't even believe what I just read from our esteemed editor. It sounded like he was suporting a goverment mandated day that we should all stop and smell the roses.

I believe that the ban on Sunday hunting is unconstitutional because it has no basis in logic, science, or anything else other than religion.
Why is it ok to ban Sunday hunting but other activities on Sunday are perfectly acceptable? If this law is allowed to stand then why not close down everything on Sunday except church like it used to be?
Heck, let's ban walking in the woods on Sunday so as not to disturb the animals and allow them one day a week without human interference(sp).

I stop and smell the roses all the time and allowing Sunday hunting will not change that for me.
What it will do is allow me to save some precious vacation time for other things and get some extra days doing what I love to do at the same time.

IMO, I haven't heard one reasonable argument to keep this law intact.
Here are the arguments that don't hold water that I have heard:
1. The law has been around for so long, why change it now. (huh?) This reasoning makes no sense at all
2. Let's give nonhunters a day in the woods (non hunters can go in the woods 365 days a year)
3. Sunday is meant to spend with your family and your church and not out hunting. (Isn't this the USA and don't I get to decide how to spend my time?)

I guess the other 43 states that allow Sunday hunting are going to hell in handbasket. The facts on Sunday hunting do not suport any of the arguments against it especially the supposed harmful impact on wildlife populations.
J.

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I don't see where religion comes into play here at all. I think one day where outdoor folk can do their thing without having to be worried about inadvertently catching a bullet isn't too much to ask :roll: Can't we all just get along and share? Why does it have to be an all or nuthin' thing?

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If you want to control the kill rate and allow Sunday hunting, then reduce the bag limit....Only take a half of deer.. :lol:

Seriously though, if you reduced the bag limits on Saturdays for birds and ducks and allowed 1 bird or duck on Sunday, I may be for it.

Most people do not work 6 days a week. What figures do you have to support that?

If people actually need to hunt on Sunday, there are commercial hunting areas in the state:

[url]http://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunttrap/comshoot.htm[/url]

So, there is Sunday hunting, you just have to pay for it.

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jocko -

Some hunters need to think about the short- and long-term consequence of their actions. KathyP is correct. Why are more people posting their land, "No Hunting?" Is it because so many hunters are endearing themselves to non-hunters?

skf

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The weakest argument against Sunday hunting that keeps coming up again and again is that during hunting season, nobody but hunters can go in the woods because it is way too dangerous.
This is a scare tactic pure and simple. But since this country thrives on fear, it is a tactic that works well.

NON HUNTERS CAN GO IN THE WOODS 365 DAYS A YEAR. The argument that it is unsafe to do so during hunting season is pure hogwash. I have come across, hikers, bikers, ATV'ers and the like several times while hunting. None of them got shot. Fear is a powerful thing and works wonders to sway people to your line of thinking.
You might FEEL that it is unsafe to go in the woods during hunting season but that does not make it so. And just because you do feel fearful should not mean that the rest of us should be penalized for your unfounded fears.

And one more thing, telling me to just go hunt on a commercial hunting preserve on Sunday is ridiculous. For one thing you have to pay quite a bit to do so and for another thing, I don't find it sporting to hunt animals that are fenced in.

J.

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Im all for it. It would be nice to have the choice of which weekend day to spend hunting. However, This state will pass common-sense tax reform before it ever passes Sunday hunting. Not gonna happen, unfortunately.

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[quote="Editor"]jocko -
Some hunters need to think about the short- and long-term consequence of their actions. KathyP is correct. Why are more people posting their land, "No Hunting?" Is it because so many hunters are endearing themselves to non-hunters?
skf[/quote]

Scott, I respectfully disagree. I believe more people are posting their land against hunting because the media paints hunters in a negative way. Bambi the movie did more to set hunters back than anything. Also I believe that hunting is as basic to human existence as breathing and is a primal thing and that far too many people have forgotten where we came from as a species. I also believe that more and more people from away come here and post their land.
For example, a poacher is not a hunter but rather a lawbreaker. but in the news the headline almost always reads, hunter cited for such and such violation.
The media is controlled by fat cat leftist, tree hugging, granola eating city people who look down their nose at rednecks who like to hunt.

I think we need a constitutional amendment to protect the rights of hunters before it becomes a lost art and we are all forced to be vegetarians or eat only the chemical filled meat in the grocery stores.
Unless an antihunter is a vegetarian, I think they are hypocrites. Going out and killing what you eat yourself is really the purest thing IMO.
J.

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An increasing percentage of the "no this-that-or-the-other" posting is not based upon actions of those engaging in that activity, but on the "my castle is not yours" attitude.

There are a number of equally strong feelings behind one individual's desire to limit/control another's access to their propoerty. To ascribe all "no-whatever" signs to a single feeling is misleading.

Some prefer solitude, some uphold traditions, some fear safety issues, some fear liability issues, some think all wildlife is fuzzy-cuddly, some simply hate everyone else; I'm sure there are other reasons.

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I will say it again, as an avid hunter, I am against Sunday hunting. I take great pride when I go hunting and bring something home for my family to eat. For one, I save alot of money plus I know wear the meat is coming from . HAving said that, I do agree we need to save hunters rights to hunt, however, allow Sunday hunting does not preserve those rights. It gives us more of a chance to lose them in the future. The posting of land will definately increase, thus removing our chances to hunt. Maybe understanding what the law was meant for is enough to warrant keeping.

Kocko, you argued that you have not heard one good argument. Do you not agree that kill rates on certain game would increase? Do you not agree that if those kill rates are increased, some of our game species may eventually be in jeopardy? Science has not been performed on these questions. I need that to be fully convinced. The only data being provided was economic data.

I do agree that it is not right to hunt "caged-in" animals. I just hope you can also see my point of preserving the animal side of so we can still have those chances as time goes on. How many extra birds or animals do you think you would have gotten if Sunday hunting was allowed?

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[quote="Matt Schaeffer"] HAving said that, I do agree we need to save hunters rights to hunt, however, allow Sunday hunting does not preserve those rights. It gives us more of a chance to lose them in the future. The posting of land will definately increase, thus removing our chances to hunt. Maybe understanding what the law was meant for is enough to warrant keeping.

Kocko, you argued that you have not heard one good argument. Do you not agree that kill rates on certain game would increase? Do you not agree that if those kill rates are increased, some of our game species may eventually be in jeopardy? Science has not been performed on these questions. I need that to be fully convinced. The only data being provided was economic data.
/quote]

Matt,
I understand your points and I believe that you express valid concerns.
The facts do not bear out your arguments. In the states that have allowed Sunday hunting, participation in hunting has increased not decreased. And there has been no study that I could find anywhere that says that Sunday hunting has harmed the long term population of wildlife.
Here are a couple of websites [url]http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=174&issue=021[/url]
[url]http://www.mainehuntingtoday.com/magazine/articles/Remington/hunterswort...

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[quote]Most mortality was attributed to avian predators such as Cooper’s hawks, great-horned and barred owls, and mammalian predators such as raccoons, foxes, and mink. [b]Hunting had little impact on grouse populations[/b].[/quote]http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/wildlife/resources/wildnotes/pub068.htm

[quote]To date grouse mortality has been attributed to mainly avian predation with mammal predation in second place. [b]Hunting has been a small part [/b]of the predation picture averaging about 15% of the total.[/quote]
http://www.wvdnr.gov/Hunting/Grouse.shtm

[quote]In a recent study, it was reported that, on average, [b]hunting accounted for only 12
percent of all mortality [/b]and ranged from 0 percent to 35 percent across sites and years.[/quote]
http://www.dnr.sc.gov/cwcs/pdf/ruffedgrouse.pdf

[quote]The leading cause of ruffed grouse mortality was avian predation (44% of known
mortalities). [b]Harvest mortality accounted for only 12% of all known mortalities [/b]and appeared to be compensatory.[/quote]
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-02152005-135903/

So it would seem that Sunday hunting would have very little impact on grouse.

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Avian predation!!! I knew it! Grouse hunting is what I love the most. That's why I shoot all eagles, hawks and owls whenever I see them. :twisted:
J.

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Matt Schaeffer

[quote]Science has not been performed on these questions.[/quote]
[quote]The only data being provided was economic data.[/quote]

Well, regarding my post above, is that scientific enough for you to consider
hunting grouse on Sunday?

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The ban on Sunday hunting today has nothing to do with religion today.

Hunters are a minority today. A shrinking minority. Hunters need to work with non-hunters, not antagonize them. I know that there is no logical reasons that non-hunters can't be in the woods with hunters, but that is not what most people think.

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Hunting should continue to be banned on Sunday. In addition, it should be banned on Saturday as well.

Let hunters take some vacation time to get their jollies.

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I'll bite.
laMaine, you are an [b]ASS[/b].

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They should extend deer hunting in some form or another from mid october to the end of December. Stop this bucks only nonsense that is killing the gene pool. Maybe if there are a few less deer their will be a few less cases of lyme disease. If hunting seasons were extended there would be little concern over sunday not being open,,,,,

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Extending the season would be nice for Residents, but it's not really going to help draw out-of-staters up here like Sunday hunting would. Is tourism not a major component to our economy? Hunting season is the perfect bridge between leaf-peeping and ski seasons.

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It seems to me the present hunting laws are adequate. I like to walk in the woods on Sunday without having to don my orange vest. My neighbors like to take their dog on walks in the woods one day a week without putting on their orange vests. I live in an area where there are a number of hunters around six days a week. It's enough for them, and certainly, enough for me. We all breath a sigh of relief when the season ends, and increase our walking regimens to include other days besides Sunday.

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I too would not like to see Sunday hunting. Property owners who allow hunting on their land should have one day out of the week when they can feel free (and safe) to enjoy a walk, or work their own land.

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[quote][b]Bill puts new spin on Sunday hunting[/b]
By Kevin Miller
Friday, March 02, 2007 - Bangor Daily News

AUGUSTA - Sunday hunting supporters were back in the state Capitol on Thursday, this time seeking an exemption for property owners who want to hunt on their land on Sundays.
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Fitts, a Republican, described the bill as a common-sense approach to the issue that will encourage landowners to keep their property open to hunters without affecting landowners who support the general Sunday ban that dates back more than 120 years.[/quote]

[url=http://bangordailynews.com/news/t/news.aspx?articleid=146985&zoneid=500]... and POLL[/url]

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Poll results:
[quote][b]Do you think hunting should be allowed on Sunday?[/b]

Yes. Hunting should be allowed on Sunday.
252 (27.72%)

No. Hunting should not be allowed on Sunday.
657 (72.28%)
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[quote="lucky"]I too would not like to see Sunday hunting. Property owners who allow hunting on their land should have one day out of the week when they can feel free (and safe) to enjoy a walk, or work their own land.[/quote]

This is the KEY POINT of the whole argument!

We're talking about [u]Private Land[/u] - and the state
government telling people what can and can't
happen... [i]on their land![/i]

Landowners let people hunt on their property,
and can post the land just as easily. After all,
it IS their land, [i]in spite of what state gov't thinks![/i]

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