LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

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1Maine1lostcause
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

[quote]in 2004, with the enactment of LD1, towns' contributions to their school administrative districts were figured on the number of their students in the system. Since Frye Island has no child in SAD 6 schools, this legislation would mean the town's contribution would be zero.

But, in early 2005, the legislature inserted a section, D-69, that reverted SAD 6 to the cost-sharing formula in place before LD1. Under the old legislation, Frye Island must pay in excess of $700,000 toward the 2005-2006 SAD 6 school budget.

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Dan Billings
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

What a shame that the well off summer folks still have to help pay for the education of the kids of the people who tend their gardens and clean their homes.

J. McKane
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

Yeah Dan, just keep taxing them until they have to sell to someone even more "well off."

Tony Bessey
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

The time is coming when someone is going to live on the Island for the winter just to make Standish deliver services. When that happens things will change.

Tony

Roger Ek
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Frye Island is no longer part of Standish. They should simply withdraw from that SAD and in the event that a child does winter on the island just tuition the child to the schoool of his choice. Up here above the Volvo line there are many towns that wisely chose not to affiliate with any SAD. Instead of paying about $12,500 per student to attend a government school they pay $7,200 which is the state tuition limit. There are some very wealthy towns with large lakes that pay $7,200 per student. It's a heck of a good deal. There are also a number of SADs that are going to deorganize as soon as their Taj Mahals get paid off. A good school can be built for 1/3 of what the state requires. The state has mandated that schools have certain architectural features that are extremely expensive and do nothing to improve education.

1Maine1lostcause
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

Do they still require an additional 2% to be spent on "arts" incorporated into the design? (another 10 or 20 million a year in taxes)

Naran
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Hell, yes, and we have the ugly giant sculptures to prove it. When we suggested they return the money to the state instead of spending it, the ancient litany was heard loud and clear "But, we HAVE to spend it!"

My favorite all-time gimme-goodies are the pottery kilns at our new K-3 school. Two of them, $5,000 apiece. God forbid the little kiddies use Playdough or plain old modeling clay, like we all did. No, the misshapen ashtrays and flower vases have to be glazed and fired!

Don't get me started, Christmas is one week away, and I'm supposed to be in a holiday mood.
(grrr!) Otherwise all the cookies and the olive pastries cooling out there will be the victims of my crunching on something.....

(she carefully backs away from this:)

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Bob MacGregor
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Naran, I DO hope you are using a fine Maine-made Vic Firth rolling pin, not some cheap imported knock off, for your fine pastries.

Naran
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Absolutely - it's an American classic, a one-piece wooden pin, handed down by my great-grand Auntie Mabel. Most of my kitchen ware was hers, including the original hand-held GE mixer. It must be over 60 years old, and still works great.

ps - I just used both of them, to make a batch of cookies, and also some olive/cream cheese stuffed baked pastries. The kind of yummy, disgustingly good, fattening things one expects to eat at Christmas. Slathered with butter and baked to a crispy brown. Yummy!

tardus
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the "town of Frye Island" is a joke. It is not a town. It is a bunch of summer people looking to save a buck. By the way--when the "became a town" the deal was they would continue to pay for schools. In fact, they made it clear that they just wanted to control their own destiny and were happy to pay their share of the school bill.

You can cheer for Frye Island---under the banner of lower taxes....it is really nothing more than a cost shift---on to all of the folks in the surrounding towns.

Pay a lobbyist some money and maybe your nieghborhood can secede as well. I think we need a few more towns---the more government the better.

Roger Ek
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Missed by a mile tardus. The problem is not the "shift". The problem is the cost to begin with. It is cheaper to send a kid to Orono for a year than to educate him in the third grade in most local schools.

1Maine1lostcause
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It doesn't cost anybody anything to educate the Frye Island kids in our schools.

Dan Billings
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There are no kids in school in my neighborhood. We still pay taxes to support the schools.

Roger Ek
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Of course; no kids = no cost. It sounds simple, but Frye Island is going to pay a big price to maintain an edifice that does not educate their kids. The same logic would say that a town with no prisoners in state prisons should not pay a share of prison costs. Population factors are not the issue. Cost is the issue. We spend too much. We tax too much. Government is too big. We are most taxed people in America per capita income.

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[quote="Dan Billings"]There are no kids in school in my neighborhood. We still pay taxes to support the schools.[/quote]

I could replace the word "schools" with "snowplows" in my neighborhood.

David Hughes
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Dan, my only problem with this is it's an exception. I agree, everyone has an interest in making sure the general population is educated but to lack the foresight to see this problem before LD1 passed is rather comical.

1M1LC, I'll never forget the time the city just "forgot" to plow my street.....for 2 days. Was comical as well. I know a storm is [b]over[/b] because I get to see a snowplow.

Dan Billings
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[quote="David Hughes"]Dan, my only problem with this is it's an exception. I agree, everyone has an interest in making sure the general population is educated but to lack the foresight to see this problem before LD1 passed is rather comical.[/quote]

I believe that Frye Island is the only municipality in the state with no kids in school so it is no surprise it was missed.

Tardus' point is also important -- a condition of the island becoming a town was continuing to pay for schools.

I also agree with Roger, but part of the reason we spend so much is having 497 municipalities.

Roger Ek
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We live up here above the Volvo line because we want to. Those rural cleansing types who want to drive us out and take our towns away are just another cabal of human rights violators. It's about human rights. Our little town public works crews are much more efficient than large state crews doing the same job. Just think back to the comments we read this weekend. "What is orange and sleeps three?"

The only way to make it more efficient would be to privatize. That goes for road constructon and maintenance, fire protection, education and most government funded services. Put it out to bid as many small towns do.

David Hughes
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Dan, with continue declines in student enrollment the possibility should have at least been considered and allowed for.

Naran
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LD1 sure did this town a favor, whoops.. amend that!

Roger, can I make a suggestion? "Volvo Line" is really getting kind of tired... I suggest you upgrade for the new year, and make it the "Lexus Line" instead. Really more appropriate, at least from what I see around here.
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COST SHARING with parents...new idea catching on.

Seems like everywhere you look in the education press you see someone, usually using new lingo, describing how parents should pay in to the education of their children and share the cost with traditional financing sources.

I'm quite surprised to see how HR1 has forced deconsolidation and the seperation of small towns and island communities from the larger SAD's.

Perhaps the Legislature should abolish every consolidated school district for a year; let the dust settle on the individual jurisdictions and give them a year to come up with a more cost efficient arrangement.

Some towns would go it on their own,using their own tax base; others would consolidate for a variety of reasons.

....just a thought.

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