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Who would want to be a coach at any level today?
[quote]"I think this is a bad mistake and symptomatic of what's wrong with the athletic program at Leavitt," Gauthier said. [b]"The parents run the program."[/b]
I wouldn't mind coaching at any program...
But I do agree it is a pain when the parents think they are the coach...
Incidents sting coach
By Randy Whitehouse , Staff Writer
Friday, February 2, 2007
LEEDS - Varsity boys' basketball coach Mike Remillard was fired for inappropriate conduct at halftime of a Jan. 23 home game against Mt. Ararat, Leavitt Area High School Principal Patrick Hartnett said in a statement Thursday.
Remillard, who is not otherwise employed by SAD 52, was fired Wednesday with three games left in the regular season. His termination came one day after Remillard alleged he was assaulted by the father of a varsity player after Leavitt's win at Morse High School in Bath.
The principal says the firing wasn't the result of the assault. He says that certain concerns from some players had come to his attention.
From the article just above:
[quote]....he (the principal) and Athletic Director Doug Conn met with Remillard on Wednesday to inquire about the alleged incident at Morse and "to ask about other information that had come to my attention about the coach's conduct with his players."
"I had been told that during halftime, Mr. Remillard asked the players if they knew what tonight's game was all about," Hartnett wrote in the statement. "He stated that tonight's game was about who had the biggest (male genitalia) in town. He then required his players to all stand up and put their hands down their pants and check their manhood. One player did not, and he was singled out."[/quote]
Excuse me? If this is true, this guy shouldn't be a coach, he should be sorting bottles at the local redemption center.
I probably wouldn't use that tactic but I see no grounds for firing the coach. This is one more example of the sisification of male sports.
Al - I wouldn't want that man teaching my kids, or coaching them, that's all I can say. I think they did exactly the right thing in getting rid of him.
Al, yup, and I could imagine what would be said if the girl's team was asked to do the same thing.... Let's imagine the same thing happening in the workplace, or in class......... "Sisification of male sports" That is pretty funny.......
Edited to add: Just imagine the outcry if this coach was gay............ :shock:
[quote="Al Greenlaw"]...I see no grounds for firing the coach. This is one more example of the sisification of male sports.
(And global warming is a bunch of baloney
put out be religious fanatics.)
Domino nails it.
This guy deserved to be fired.
I played baseball and football all through High School. All I can say is times sure have changed. I could go on for a hour about the language and hazing we endured. In turn it helped to make us men. What are all you feel gooders gonna do when no one will coach your children?
When I was younger I used to coach soccer for my kids. I used to umpire little league games. I always wanted to coach high school baseball. I would never dream of coaching today.
Jim - do you honestly think you'd be less of a "man" if you hadn't been subjected to brutality and hazing?
I hope not.
There are many ways in which to instill toughness, good character, and other wonderful qualities without putting crass, crude, humiliation into the mix.
[quote="JimP"]I played baseball and football all through High School. All I can say is times sure have changed. I could go on for a hour about the language and hazing we endured. In turn it helped to make us men. What are all you feel gooders gonna do when no one will coach your children?[/quote]
As a man, I would tell anyone that told me to stick my hand down my pants what he should do. It appears that this time had only one player who acted like a man and resisted the ridiculous demand from the bully coach. And he was singled out for criticism.
That kind of coaching teaches people to mindlessly submit to authority. That is not what being a man, or a woman, is about.
That is a tough question...
Off the top of my head I would say I don't know if I would have been less of a man, I would probably be a different man. Believe me when I say that at the time I didn't think it was to cool. In hindsite, I can see the value in the lessons I learned playing sports. Some of my coaches were bastards.
I don't think I would use the word brutality to describe what allegedly happened here or to me for that matter. Then again I was a sailor 8) 8) 8) My idea and your idea of proper language could be different. :D :shock: :D
Let me add that if that happened the way you said it did that is just stupid, I do not condone that act. My comments were more directed at the sisification comments and I was talking in a broader sense.
Being forced to fondle yourself in front of classmates, or face ridicule, is brutality of a kind, to my mind.
There is simply no need for that kind of humiliation. If a coach can't lead by example, and inspire by firmness, and plain old exhortation, without resorting to that sort of crudity, I can do without the "wisdom" imparted by such activities.
Some things that have been accepted as "productive" simply because that's the way it was always done, need to change. At one time, it was thought "productive" to have children as young as four labor long hours in factory sweatshops, and beaten if they didn't work hard enough.
Surely we can re-examine the way our youngsters are treated in the sports world, without being accused of "sissification."
From the other thread, Tom C wrote:
[quote][b]Coach Fired for Manly Pep Talk[/b]
What a bunch of wimps.[/quote]
"If a coach can't lead by example, and [i]inspire by firmness[/i]..."
I'll leave that one alone, Naran. :) Anyway, why do you have to suffer abuse to be a man? I guess Matthew Shepard was a prime example of manliness, then.
(Edited for spelling)
Hmm, nothing like a little pep talk to get some motivation.
Save the 1980's locker-room experience, I have seen some of these kind of examples (though not grabbing one's manhood), and it makes you better.
Pep talk is find. This coach went well beyond that.
On a related note -- Is it OK for a coach to use language that would get a kid kicked out of school? I was suspended twice in high school for using colorful language. Is the same thing OK for a coach?
Dan, I am curious (and I will understand if you choose not to answer my personal question) but were you ever in the military or on a high school varsity team?
I have been both. I have stated that I disapprove of his tactic but I also understand the point that he is trying to make. Sports (male in this case) and boot camp have a lot in common. The basic concept is to de-emphasize the individual to build a team. Not all members of the team will have equal value (some have more skill than others) but they should all value the concept of team.
Team building is a difficult task. It is made more difficult today because parents are allowed to interfere, and administration and school boards often lack the will to support their staff. Look at the recent situation in Gardiner and the Brewer coach who was fired as examples.
What has been reported so far, leaves me with more questions than answers. Why was he fired so close to the end of the season? That was bound to make this public. Why wasn't he fired closer to the offending incident, rather than after a confrontation with a parent? If you are going to fire him before the season is over why not the next day? As we have seen in other instances, could this incident be the culmination of prior incidents of disruptive/disgruntled players and/or interfering parents?
[quote="Al Greenlaw"] Sports (male in this case) and boot camp have a lot in common. The basic concept is to de-emphasize the individual to build a team. [/quote]
If that is what team sports are about, we should ban them from the schools. We should replace team sports with activities that teach the value of the individual and individual responsibility. We have too much group think and dependence on others as it is. We shouldn't be teaching it in the schools.
First of all, they won the game.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun..."
Next - Sensative infantry training to teach soldiors to kill?
[quote="Al Greenlaw"]What has been reported so far, leaves me with more questions than answers. Why was he fired so close to the end of the season? That was bound to make this public. Why wasn't he fired closer to the offending incident, rather than after a confrontation with a parent? If you are going to fire him before the season is over why not the next day? As we have seen in other instances, could this incident be the culmination of prior incidents of disruptive/disgruntled players and/or interfering parents? [/quote]
The guy is a jerk. Bobby Knight is his hero. The only question that needs to be asked is "how did he get the job in the first place?"
Al, I understand what you are saying but you can't really equate boot camp with a H.S. varsity team. In boot camp the lessons we learned could save our lives and others and required a "sterner/more colorful" message. I've coached kids before and never had to resort to the level at which the coach did.
Bogeys - good for you. I'm glad you can see the point. There was simply no need for this kind of crude behavior from the coach.
checking out one's "manhood"...has nothing to do with anything. This is stupidity and abuse. If true...the guy should be canned. There is nothing manly with his tactics...If he needs to do this to inspire his players...
Well, he should get another job.
I can't believe there are people here condemning the culture of team sports.
Team sports are a vital part of the development of character of many individuals, and we learn valuable lessons that carry us through life. Locker room roughhousing aside (it is a locker-room after all) the lessons from the entire experience have shaped many great men.
The idea that male locker room behavior and the sports ethic be toned down to pander to the 'end the patriarchy" crowd are absurd. It's like the Duke situation - male athletes were vilified by purveyors of the discredited feminist myths - when upon scrutiny we saw that the Lacrosse players were better students, did great community service work, generally polite and respectful and often on th honor roll.
It's called [b]learning respect and humility[/b].
And believe me, there no where else that kids are learning that nowadays.
[quote="JimP"]...you feel gooders...[/quote]
Precisely what the coach exhorted.... 8)