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charlotte
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Cigar...my dad coached in the day when kids showed up on the field dressed and ready to go. I was there helping him collect items...so yes, I was there and watched him coach. No, he never asked the players to grab their privates. So...

[quote]That would mean he would have to have let you into the lockeroom. [/quote]

Wrong.....oh bright one.

As for making this a gay thread...you might want to talk to Tom...

Oh, yeah...but you don't like to accuse anyone else of that other than good old Charlotte...

Cigar...why don't you go light up....

Tom C
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[quote="JustSayNo"]This thread explains the demise of the Republican Party.
How did our wholesome values become so twisted?[/quote]

Well, we're not sleeping with our friends' wives, or 17 year old pages or interns, fathering children by staff members and then going around saying business is normal.

If you think that rough, manly pep talk before an important sports contest corrupts our whole value system, then you have an ideal value system, indeed.

Tom C
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[quote="charlotte"]

As for making this a gay thread...you might want to talk to Tom...
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I didn't "make this into a gay thread".

You were talking about "fondling". Yap, yap, "folding, fondling, fondling," all day long, I couldn't stand it any more, so I showed you a picture of "fondling".

What the athletes were doing was NOTHING LIKE THAT.

I even said:

"It WASN'T a gay coach - that is the point - there was nothing sexual about it. "

YOU were the one running around saying what these guys were doing was a a gay thing.

I even posted pictures so you could tell the difference.

charlotte
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[quote]Maybe he could get Barney Frank's job, Charlotte. "Checking out" a neighbor's manhood seems to be part of his job. [/quote]

sorry you brought this into it....

Cigar wont respect you...

Cigarsmoker
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I guess that would make us equal, since you show little to no respect for anyone who disagrees with you.

charlotte
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I show respect for those who disagree....However, not for those who seem to like to slam. As for the gay addition to this thread..you might want to get your facts straight....and take Tom to task...

Oh yeah...I am sure that is going to happen.

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My god Charlotte. Are you unable to review the thread? Tom was not the one who brought gays into the thread. Noah did it much before Tom did. So perhaps [b]YOU[/b] should take Noah to task.

Oh yeah, I am sure that is going to happen.

charlotte
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[quote]Anyway, why do you have to suffer abuse to be a man? I guess Matthew Shepard was a prime example of manliness, then. [/quote]

This is Noah's post...about abuse at anothers hand.

But you don't even blink an eye about Tom's post. You are lacking....If you wish to be fair...you should be addressing both...

However, that didn't happen.

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that's stretching it quite a bit Charlotte. We were discussing who brought gays into it. I guess that was too much for you to handle. Good thing the posts are time stamped. And, once the door is opened, it is really hard to close it. I was pointing out that it was opened by Noah, Tom just happened to walk through that open door. If it had been Tom, who opened the door, I would have pointed that out as well. You are the disingenous one here, perhaps a good long look into the mirror would do you some good, since you cannot seem to recognize in yourself your disingenous nature, and loathing of anything which does not fit into your version of right and wrong.

I am finished now, arguing with you only serves to illicit non-sequiter arguments from you which are useless to debate as they hold little to no merit. I will commend youur attempt to paint me as crossing theline re: your post about your father, that was a nice attempt to destroy the messenger not the message. Too bad I could easily point out that you volutarily brought the subject into the debate, and I was only responding.

Despite your belief, I do wish you well, and I only disagree with your statements. I am signing off, and will not be back until at least Tuesday, so this will be long over by then. Have a good weekend Charlotte.

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If it weren't LEAVITT we were talking about, and Father X at St. Y school, this would have been looked at differently.
If this incident happened to an employee prior to a sales pitch, and the one who didn't reach for his balls cried foul, this would be looked at differently.
If the coach of my kids couldn't come up with a better way of saying "courage and endurance" and had to use this instead, I would have to see that he had plenty of time looking at a thesaurus while NOT coaching my kids. It is crass, and adds NOTHING to the game.
Just because people endured lots of crap in military training in yester-year doesn't mean that they are any better than the kids going over-seas today. The rules were eventually changed by the kids that actually spoke up for themselves and made the changes. It is hazing, and there is no need of it.

charlotte
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Anyone who thinks this is ok, is wrong.

Making excuses and calling this "boys will be boys"...is crap.

I will edit my comment Cigar out of family respect. I wish you too would respect that...

Question then...if it was anyone's daughters...how would you respond?

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C: I don't come here to get anyone's respect. You were the one waiving around the “gay” bait. You are a master at it. You were the one talking about "fondling," and I showed you what "fondling" really was. It’s interesting that you don't have any objection to THAT kind of fondling - it is only when male athletic coaches do something not one one-hundredth as inappropriate as “fondling” that anything should be criticized.

And somehow by connecting it with sexual innuendo you create something that you thing every HAS to object to.

But the premise is wrong.

Then, from the one-dimensional analysis here we have to believe that what goes on in locker rooms has to be either G-rated “sensitivity training” ...and if it's not it's something of some kind of "fondling" porn movie

...it couldn't just be GUYS BEING GUYS WHEN THERE ARE NO WOMEN AROUND.

Secondly - I pointed out the dramatic double standard used for athletes and coaches nowadays - which we saw recently in it's most absurd form with the Duke case this year - all the talk from the Liberal Arts Duke professors and feminist harpies decrying the "male athletic mentality" and merging their own sexual fantasies with what they think athletics is REALLY about.

Athletics - (greek: to compete for a prize)

... the celebration and testing of the human body by virtue of contest is a cornerstone of our civilization. The act of contest, although it may have sexual overtones to the casual observer, (and success at such endeavors may promote the illusion being virile outside of the arena,) is NOT in itself sexual, despite what all the nit-wit half-cocked sociologists (who likely have never participated directly in such an activity) may claim. The fact is men DON’T think about sex while watching or participating in sports.

Connecting what the coach was doing with sex, sex abuse, gay sex is just plain wrong.

Tom C
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[quote="charlotte"] Cigar, I guess it would be ok for the female coach of your daughters to say...hey feel yourself up...that is what it is all about.[/quote]

News flash, Charlotte: Men are different than women.

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I'd like to know just how Charlotte gets off bringing my children into the argument???

And I don't wnt to hear from her that I brought her father into it. Charlotte brought her father into it.

Here's a little rule of thumb to post by: Bringing in someone's family is off limits unless they bring them into the thread first. Conversely, if you bring your family into a thread, be ready to have them become fair game for response. I find it interesting Charlotte that you berated me for responding to your statement about your father, but had no problem bringing my daughters into the thread. Shame on you, you are very low. :evil:

charlotte
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[quote]Yup. I agree. This is a huge problem, which is being ignored by much of the school administrators. There is most certainly a double standard in play when a female teacher is involved.

Absolutely. It makes my skin crawl when I hear anyone supporting this double standard. It is degrading to both the boys and the girls. I cannot understand how people think that for some reason boys want the abuse (and it is abuse), as well as have no negative response, while girls are automatically damaged. Talk about sexist.[/quote]

This was a post by Cigar on "teacher sexual abuse"...

What you are saying Tom...is boys are more sexual than girls (touching one's privates on command is sexual). Period.

As for bring your girls into it...you brought them up on the Vaccine thread...You had no problem using my family for your example...fair is fair.

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OMG is it Tuesday already? I must have blacked out over the weekend, hardcore! :D

Tom C
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[quote="charlotte"][quote]Maybe he could get Barney Frank's job, Charlotte. "Checking out" a neighbor's manhood seems to be part of his job. [/quote]

sorry you brought this into it....

Cigar wont respect you...[/quote]

Charlotte, I was repeating YOUR TERM.

[quote="charlotte"]checking out one's "manhood"...has nothing to do with anything. This is stupidity and abuse. If true...the guy should be canned. There is nothing manly with his tactics...If he needs to do this to inspire his players...

Well, he should get another job.[/quote]

YOU were the one who said this was about "checking out manhood".

Since you were confused about the term, I showed you a picture of a man who WAS checking out someone else's manhood.

And, again, you didn't have any objection to that.

Tom C
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[quote="Cigarsmoker"]I'd like to know just how Charlotte gets off bringing my children into the argument???
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When I was new here Charlotte and I bumped heads right away. And, after she ran out of ideas to address my arguments, she came right out of the blue to attack my parenting and my children.

Like most liberals, you don't have to scratch Charlotte very deep to see what she is really about.

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[quote="charlotte"]
What you are saying Tom...is boys are more sexual than girls (touching one's privates on command is sexual). Period.

[/quote]

Charlotte, you are getting so far out there, that we will have to send a rescue party.

If "touching genitals" is sexual, I suppose I shouldn't check for testicular cancer.

And have fun at your next gyn exam.

(Absurd.)

:roll:

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Excuse me, You are a piece of work Charlotte, I never brought them into this discussion. You are lower than low. You are scum in fact. Fair is fair??? I did not bring them into this thread. Now I know the depths of depravity you are willing to stoop to. Way over the line Charlotte. I sincerely hope I never meet you, as I will be very inclined to give you a harsh piece of my mind. And I will make a scene which will land me and you on the news for the verbal barrage of abuse I will hurl your direction. I have up to this point always kept a civil approach to you, and always wished you well at the end of any debate we have had. Not anymore! You do not deserve it at all. My daughters are not toys for you to make political points with, and you best leave them out of any thread where they have not been brought up by me.

I now loathe you, and will treat you in that fashion. I have never been your enemy here at AMG, until now.

Noah, you are a gnat, fly away. I happened to not leave as quickly as planned and decided to make one more check of the thread, to find such drivel, that I had to respond. Perhaps you have never changed your mind or been delayed before?

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Cigar..I actually edited my post because I posted quickly and out of frustration. Your point was taken, and even if you made your debate by bringing in my father...I should not have lowered myself to that standard. That is my error....and I have corrected it.

As for all the rest...the feeling is mutual.

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[quote]When I was new here Charlotte and I bumped heads right away. And, after she ran out of ideas to address my arguments, she came right out of the blue to attack my parenting and my children. [/quote]

Please post where I did that. Thanks.

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WTF? I was joking. Hence, the smiley face. Whatever. Have a pleasant weekend, everyone.

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[b]CORRECTION[/b]

You brought your father into the thread, not I.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

I have no expectation of people to not address my statements regarding my girls on the other thread. I brought them up in that thread. That is what occurs in a forum. However, in a forum, it is also expected that those things are thread specific. I would not comment on your statement re: your father on another thread. It is common internet courtesy. I assume you have none.

You seem to have a reading comprehension problem Charlotte, You brought your father into this thread, and therefore opened your statement re: your father up to others. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?????

Unless you are holding another double standard for everyone else.

charlotte
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Listen, just because I talked about my Dad...doesn't make it OK for you to slam me by using my dad...To make a sarcastic statement about abuse in the locker room....

You brought up your kids on this forum...I never said anything badly about them, nor would I. I was asking your opinion since you are a father of girls. I love my family and NEVER would use kids against a parent. It was a question, nothing more. Since you took offense, I listened and deleted it. You, however, seem to continue to believe that a comment such as this...

[quote]So, Charlotte, your father was a coach. I assume from your comment that you were allowed into the lockeroom for his talks with his teams before, at the halftime of, and after the games? Perhaps that was abuse? Seeing that his daughter would be exposed to the boys in various states of undress. And the boys would have to endure having a girl see them at vulnerable times like this. Hmmm, it must have been horrible for everyome. [/quote]

is fair game, and above board. Sorry chicky...you are not playing with a full deck.

As for calling me a slime...making the insinuation that my dad was abusive...is just that.

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Anyone who thinks that what the coach did was commendable, and should be repeated, qualifies for the following description:

[img]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/images/neanderthal.jp...

I'm glad to see that at least Dan gets it - being a "man" has nothing to do with welcoming intimidation, and humiliation.

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[quote="Domino"]Edited to add: Just imagine the outcry if this coach was gay............ :shock:[/quote]

For the record, it was Domino and not Charlotte who brought the gay angle into the discussion.

Now that I think about it, the coach does seem rather fixated on one particurlar part of the male anatomy.

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I am SICK of the prejudice against cavemen!

Anyway, while I guess that celebrating male genitalia is now taboo, I guess it's OK to celebrate [url=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040126-578986,00.ht... in high school.[/url]

"[size=9]My vagina is FLIRTY!"[/size]

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Wow. This thread has gotten [u]way[/u] out of hand. (No pun intended)

I played football and ran track in high school back in the Dark Ages. I don't recall being asked to check my manhood, but rough locker room talk was common and more than one coach warned us to "Play like you got a big pair" or sit on the bench.

I suspect that many people who have commented on this thread have never played sports or been in a locker room.

I would just call the decision to fire the coach a sign of the times. Many things that were tolerated in the 1950s and 60s aren't acceptable today.

That being said, I'd hire this coach. He sounds like a motivator with sense of humor - a rare combination.

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[quote="Mike Lange"]Wow. This thread has gotten [u]way[/u] out of hand. (No pun intended)

I played football and ran track in high school back in the Dark Ages. I don't recall being asked to check my manhood, but rough locker room talk was common and more than one coach warned us to "Play like you got a big pair" or sit on the bench.

I suspect that many people who have commented on this thread have never played sports or been in a locker room.

I would just call the decision to fire the coach a sign of the times. Many things that were tolerated in the 1950s and 60s aren't acceptable today.

That being said, I'd hire this coach. He sounds like a motivator with sense of humor - a rare combination.[/quote]

I agree 100 %. It is a sign of the times. I think you'll find that this stems from a personal vendetta between certain parents and the coach. It's always been that way at Leavitt. Some parents don't want the coaches to coach "their" way so there is un-rest. This is an old "boot-camp" type of maneuver that maybe should't have happened in high school sports, but I feel more was made of this than should have been.

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