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Maine Gasoline

I got this email from a friend who left for S Carolina about a week ago. Does anyone know if our gas has crap in it other than creamed corn?

"Last week I had the station wagon serviced by Rockland Ford. The service guy said it was time to have my fuel injectors cleaned. With only 14,000 miles on the car I’m thinking that he’s looking to make an extra buck (actually $139) so I declined. Later I spoke with another service writer and she confirmed that they feel the need to recommend this cleaning due to the inferior quality of the gasoline that Mainers are forced to use. Have you ever heard of such a thing? If you’re being forced to buy gas contaminated with who know what you’re certainly paying a premium price. We’ve never understood why gas is so expensive in ME. Any thoughts?"

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I don't know if you buy

I don't know if you buy unbranded gas and this may sound like bull , but there is value to buying branded gasoline .Shell and Citgo both have rigorous testing standards to make sure that their gasoline is in their branded stations.Both brands have additive packages that improve the quality of the gas. Unbranded gasoline even though it is picked up at the same racks does not contain these additive packages. Both are designed to help keep fuel injectors clean. Some manufactures are recommending certain brands for their vehicles BMW recommends Shell.Saving that couple pennies on a lower price isn't always worth it...

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Soon we may be able to buy

Soon we may be able to buy gasoline again. You will save money, get better mileage and have lower maintenance costs. More power too. We are going to make America great again.

Hey, did you hear about the EPA? They LIED TO US! Who would have thought? Turns out there is no global warming. Ladies, You ca use hair spray guilt free.

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Just like the issues with

Just like the issues with small engines the enemy is water the absence of lead is the culprit.
Water is good for dishes not so good for internal induction system pieces.

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It is better too be thought a

It is better too be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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@Watcher: I am not an

@Watcher: I am not an automotive expert but I know they change the gas to a winter blend, so maybe that's what they are talking about?

TBH it sounds like a scam but again I am not an expert

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Did a little research. It

Did a little research. It appears that "lower tier" gasoline sellers have lower quality additive packages which affect performance.

"The intention of the TOP TIER™ Detergent Gasoline standards is to create a winning situation for gasoline retailers, auto manufacturers and drivers. Currently, many gasoline retailers provide fuels with lower-quality additive packages that can build up deposits on fuel injectors and on intake valves. Others can build up deposits in combustion chambers and may lead to intake valve sticking. These lower levels of additives can have negative impacts on engine performance and vehicle responsiveness."

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Interesting. Here's a list of

Interesting. Here's a list of the stations that carry it:
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gaso...

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I think Shell is the only one

I think Shell is the only one in my county.

Any ideas as to his other question..."why is Maine gas so much more expensive." He says the premium in SC is the same as regular here. Regular in Charleston is now $1.89/gal.

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AC many of the retailers

AC many of the retailers listed in your link carry branded gasolines, Mobil, Citgo, Shell etc.. In order to retain the brand they are obligated by contract to carry only the branded product. Suppliers test for "markers" on a regular basis for contract compliance .
Again , there are benefits to branded products. Personally I notice a positive difference in my trucks between Shell and other brands..

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Just so you all know. The gas

Just so you all know. The gas that you buy in Maine mostly comes from the terminal in South Portland;for northern Maine it may come from Searsport. For 30 years or more no major brand (Shell, Exxon etc) has existed in Maine as a company outlet. All gas is sold by distributors and the outlets owned by them, unless the station is individually owned. The gas you buy is essentially all the same with no difference between brands. Visit the terminals and you will see trucks from CN Brown, Irving and all the independents lined up there getting the same gas.

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terrymack Yes they do load at

terrymack Yes they do load at the same terminals but each brand adds there additive package at the time of loading... ... Citgo, Shell, Irving all have additive packages....

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I think that you will find

I think that you will find that the only additive introduced at the bulk plant is ethanol because it separates in shipment.

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terrymack... in the business

terrymack... in the business for almost 30 years I know the difference......

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I wish I could be more

I wish I could be more confident that there actually is a difference. The customer cannot tell. If we actually SAW the additives being added, it would help.

For a full tanker, how much additive is that? A quart jug? 5-gallon can? A barrel?

How can I tell if it's actually happened, and what exactly was added?

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I guess that you will have to

I guess that you will have to show me the specs as it leaves the plant.

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geez terry don't be so

geez terry don't be so paranoid call Citgo or Shell and just ask them....

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I know Terry,

I know Terry,

He had a very well respected garage for at least 30 years. I think he
knows what he is talking about.

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Re# 5

Re# 5
More proof of what you are.

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terry..... IF the branded

terry..... IF the branded suppliers were not putting additives in there gasoline , I suspect they would be wide open for a class action lawsuit across the country ,because damn near every branded outlet is advertising their additive package...at the pumps on TV and in other media outlets........CITGO .https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&...

SHELLhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&u...

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The reason branded gasoline

The reason branded gasoline cost more and are preferred is they contain additives to offset the effects of government mandates. The first were an attempt to eliminate the consequences of the governments mandate to remove lead. The latest is to alleviate the effects of the government mandate for the inclusion of ethanol which when burned leaves a residue.

If the government really wanted the people to save money they should mandate that only diesel engines be used in vehicles produced for transportation, just like Europeans do without mandate because they have no companies who actually own oil in the ground and make most of their money on high end products like gasoline. In addition, under the European value added tax system corporations pay a tax on the value they add to the ultimate product. If European refiners produced gasoline instead of diesel they would end up paying more tax because of the differential between the cost of their raw material and the final product.

Now you really know the U. S. oil companies contribute to politicians who maintain their profits by manipulation of the tax code.

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OK Johnw you may be right and

OK Johnw you may be right and I suspect you are right for major metropolitan areas where the refiners own the stations. I just have a hard time believing that in Maine where independent distributors control the retailing operations that additive packages are being mixed into tank trucks at the terminal. Most of the gas haulers are independents also who will take a single load to several different retailers both branded and not. If they put a Citgo package in the truck it would seem that they could only deliver to a Citgo Station and that is not the case.

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Ethanol is mixed with the gas

"The Clean Air Act requires use of oxygenated gasoline in areas where winter time carbon monoxide levels exceed federal air quality standards. Without oxygenated gasoline, carbon monoxide emissions from gasoline-fueled vehicles tend to increase in cold weather. Winter oxygenated gasoline programs are implemented by the states. "

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Terry it is about contractual

Terry it is about contractual agreements with suppliers in order to carry the brand you must carry the product or they debrand you....They test the product regularly , you are obligated to meet your gallons specified in the supply contract, they track those gallons ......
Right now in NJ Citgo has a major lawsuit against some retailers for cheating on their contracts by selling non Citgo product........
It's truly a misnomer that people have been convinced that it is all the same gasoline when it simply is not.
One thing that IS going on in the gas market is that MEMA and others are trying to get Maine to a one gasoline standard.... I believe I am correct when i say that the government requires 32 different configuration of gasolines around the country which at times causes shortages and price spikes because of bottlenecks on refining......

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"Just like the issues with

"Just like the issues with small engines the enemy is water the absence of lead is the culprit.
Water is good for dishes not so good for internal induction system pieces."

Yes, but I'm not sure we want to be pumping lead into the atmosphere via leaded gas.

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Viking.

Viking.
I agree with that.. I am not sure what solution is.
All I do know is I was not such a fool to spend 1200 plus on a high mileage car that needed
a new induction system damaged by our fuels.

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Bruce, the solution is to

Bruce, the solution is to light one up, turn the Dead up loud, and drive around in your electric car!

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Thank you

Thank you
Don't smoke ,asolutely do not like the Dead(never did ) and live in fear of exploding lithium batteries.

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Bruce many of the problems

Bruce many of the problems with small engines are owner caused. Instead of running their mowers ,weed whackers,etc. completely out of fuel , and then starting a few more times until they won't fire and the carb is as dry as possible they just toss them in the garage for the winter and then just expect that stale old gas to fire them right back up..That's when the alcohol does it's damage. I'm a firm believer in Stabil for that last tank of gas and running them dry...it seems to work. PS I'm not a fan of the Dead either...way over rated but when your stoned out of your skull how can you tell the difference?

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Agreed johnw.

Agreed johnw.
I do that and it works.

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TBH I never really liked the

TBH I never really liked the Dead or Phish, and love Stabil even though I usually forget to use it every other year.

(If you want to go 60's I prefer Hendrix)

But I do recommend electric or hybrid cars if you put on a lot of miles. 60 MPG is tough to beat.

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