Maine Ron Paul Leadership - We Aren't Going to Help Charlie Summers

For some reason I'm not surprised at Tweed's comments.

Convention chair ! Please someone w/ a rational mind explain to me how that equates to much beyond convention in reality except in ones' own mind!
reading the article one sees a much different tone from Tweeds'.

I guess he didn't see the lesson from Rand Paul much less learn from it! Worried about liberty ,vote in AK or not support the R candidates ,sit at home hugging your convention credentials
as a icon of past glory fleeting as it was.

A couple more remarks like this and he could stand at a door handing out 20 dollar bills and those who took it would use it on the first available restroom . an indicator of his credibility as a anything!

This man even insults other Paul supporters !

The Republican wing of the Republican Party needed a parliamentarian that was not joined at the hip to Charlie Webster. They picked one and he did a good job, once Charlie Webster finally accepted the election results around 2 PM. The convention would have gone much more smoothly if the five Romney lawyers had not raised dozens of bogus points of order and demanded endless recounts. Lets focus on the campaigns.

I am sorry to read such comments from Tweed, Harring, etc. With such a critical election ahead of us this November you would think these self-proclaimed political prophets would understand the primary is over. This is the Big One. Not helping the GOP's U.S. Senate candidate is helping Angus King and Cynthia Dill. There's no way to sugarcoat that.

At least the Paul supporters quoted in the BDN report say they are voting for Charlie Summers. But if they are serious about taking back Maine and the nation they could be, and should be, doing much more to help Charlie.

Summers = Snowe clone

Tweed?

The press considered Andrew Dodge as the spokesman for the Tea Party at one time also. I'm sure Tweed will be on the press' interview list for sometime.

Summers may be a "Snowe Clone", Mike G (though I don't believe that description is fair to either), but the situation is very simple.

If you wish to overturn the biggest government grab in history - Obamacare - there is only way to do it. That's to hold on to the House, win a majority in the Senate and win the White House.

If Republicans can get control of the Senate (even 50-50, with the VP voting to break ties) that's sufficient to gut Obamacare through the reconciliation process. If the Senate remains in Democratic control, we're stuck with it.

You've made it amply clear that you've not fondness for Summers or Romney. So be it. I suspect that even you realizes that Obamacare, if left to stand, is a bigger problem than either.

Conservatives in this country must pick up Senate seats, and that means we can't afford to lose any of them - even if we might not like a lot of things about the candidates.

handheld and eagleisland, you both are so right. The Ron Paul folks must support Charlie, Kevin Raye, and Jon Courtney if we are to turn around this evil monster called Obamacare. Forget the ideological purity for now. It's time to make all votes count for something.

A vote is not help? They all said Summers was the best of those running. The headline for this thread is tougher on them than the quotes merit.

Linda Bean has been holding fundraisers for Courtney. Did she get Brakey's approval to do that? Is he a liberty candidate?

I hope Tweed doesn't disappoint us all at the National Convention. He needs to raise numerous points of order. Demand the eligibility of all of the delgates from all of the 49 other states. Demand a paper ballot for the choosing of the nominee. Then do like at the State Convention - wait 6 hours to hand out ballots, and then once all the Romney delegates have left, hand out the ballots and declare victory for Ron Paul. He also needs to reiterate his belief, right on the convention floor, that "Obama is better than Romney".

Otherwise, what is the point of going to the Convention if they aren't going to challenge anything? Why have a convention? Are they just going to sit there and cheer?

This is what I think Apollo.

If you wish to overturn the biggest government grab in history - Obamacare - there is only way to do it.

People need to stop kidding themselves. Obamacare, (the Affordable care act, ACA) is not going anywhere no matter who we elect!! The ACA was originally a Republican plan, adopted by Romney, and embraced by Obama. If Romney, Raye and Summers get elected, we may see a few little tweaks to the plan and a name change, that's it.

Okay, so now we know the "S" in Bob S doesn't stand for sunny side, as in, "Look on the sunny side."

Best,
skf

Come on Scott, do you really believe that the ACA will be repealed? Seriously? This is a legitimate question.

See it like Bob S calling it. Best put energies in State races to hold Maine House/Senate and when possible (caucuses) choose conservative over centrist, as in Senate D-21. Otherwise hold nose, vote to retain both chambers.

That's all we can do alter ego, in the meantime, I will try to find the sunny side of the political situation that has a grasp on this country.

If the ACA...wait, let's call it what it is--Obamacare--isn't repealed, it isn't going to matter who gets elected to local and state offices. The country will be officially doomed.

Thank you, Vikingstar.

Roger, alter ego, Mike G, Bob S, I don't like the music any better than you do. But that's the band, so are you gonna dance and try to salvage the evening, or are you gonna go home alone again for the umpteenth time in as many years,content in the knowledge that you'll never get to dance again?

I want Charlie Summers and Kevin Raye to respond here . .

But I want Specifics . . .and not generalities . . . ie . . . Talking Points . . .

I have heard that Romney wants to "Repeal and Replace" Obama Care . . .and so would you both. . . BUT . . . I would like to know what you plan to "REPLACE" it with . . . and I mean . . . a legislative outline . . .some meat. . .if you guys are reading this stuff you should know how to outline and write it up . . .How you will sell a "REPLACEMENT" to your Republican supporters in Maine? . . . since you will be holding a Federal Office . . .if elected . . . I want those issues addressed so "Hypothetically . . . if there is a plan" all of your supporters can go to the "Grassroots" with this . . .

Best,

Violet

are you gonna dance

At the risk of being labeled gloomy, I am going to have to say, "nah." I will pay the admission price though, even though I cannot find a suitible dance partners. I will pay my way, but I will remain in the corner. ;-)

Violet, there is no alternate plan.

." I would like to know what you plan to "REPLACE" it with . . . and I mean . . . a legislative outline . . .some meat. . .if you guys are reading this stuff you should know how to outline and write it up . . .How you will sell a "REPLACEMENT" to your Republican supporters in Maine? . . . since you will be holding a Federal Office . . .if elected . . . I want those issues addressed so "Hypothetically . . . if there is a plan" all of your supporters can go to the "Grassroots" with this . . ."

You want them to present a plan to "replace Obamacare"?

Why? I don't.

If we as a nation are going to address health care delivery (not "health care", which is the best on the planet), then I don't want them to present a plan--I want them to start totally from the beginning, actually involvve the people they represent, and DO IT RIGHT THIS TIME. And do it ethically and legally--not like dishonest process the Democrats used.

Vikingstar . . . listen very carefully to what the Republican candidates around the US are saying from the Presumptive Presidential nominee on down . . . "Repeal and Replace" . . . all that I ask is if you are saying "Replace" what are you going to "Replace" Obamacare with? I am asking for specifics here.

Personally, Obamacare needs to be repealed and NOT replaced . . . because then you are just substituting a Democrat healthcare mandate with a Republican one . . .from a tax to a tax credit . . .

http://www.american.com/archive/2012/june/how-to-repeal-and-replace-from...

You R's are very good.................at hyjacking the thread.

The original thread topic sounds like, "I don't like the players you picked for the team so I'm taking my ball and going home."

Eagleisland,
We'll support those deserving liberty candidates who actually support our platform. They deserve to be supported. Progressive candidates have plenty of progressive money and support. They don't want to be associated with liberty activists or be associated with the platform they claim to run on. Because they misappropriate the "R" beside their name, they want us to vote for them in November even though they directly oppose what we stand for.

That said, I never heard a candidate say, "I don't want your vote."

snipSummers said he’s open to a full audit of the Federal Reserve, a move supported by Paul as a way to bring more transparency to the country’s monetary policy. But he said job creation and government spending come first on his agenda. end

This position attributed to Summers is what I consider typical politico speech. He says he is "Open" to a full audit, but job creation and Government spending comes first.

What? Does he not realize that FED policies impact jobs and spending, can't we do both, audit the FED and cut spending and try and create a healthy business climate

And he is just open to an audit of the fed, I'd assume he hasn't made up his mind yet and I ask why? Is he looking from approval from above, does he have his finger in the air seeing which way the wind blows?

With all the shenanigans going on with the banks and investment firms worldwide, if not now when?

Or is it, you don't want to know?

Want government as far away from my healthcare as possible, i.e.: repeal and do not replace. Would be Consultant-in-Chief Romney would attempt to fix. Problem right there.

@eagleisland: there are always more choices than seemingly apparent.

@eagleisland: there are always more choices than seemingly apparent.

Granted. Of course, if you want even a modest victory, there's really only one choice, distasteful as that is. But you go right ahead jousting with them windmills.

If this weren't such a consequential election I'd probably think you guys were funny.

Apollo: Actually Eric, Violet & Mark Willis and myself were all at Jon Courtney's fundraiser.

I've heard "repeal"; I haven't heard much in the way of "replace". There are a host of things (such as the article Violet linked) that one can do to ethically and legally improve health care delivery, most of them revolving around giving individuals choice in their health care spending. I don't want any mad stampede to implement a system without through thought and the approval of the American people, which Obamacare emphatically does not have, trolls like NancyEH to the contrary.

Mostly I agree with you Vikingstar . . . but I want health care insurance to be just like car insurance . . . there if I get sick . . . cheap if I do everything right and stay healthy. . . and keep government out of it!

I keep my 1998 Jeep Cherokee running good with oil changes, tune-ups etc., I pay for those out of pocket just like we should pay for annual Doctors visits if needed out of pocket for the exchange of low cost Health Insurance. . . if you have a chronic illness . . . then Medical Savings Accounts should still be tax exempt.

Tort reform is important . . . but so is trying to find out why so many of us are obese and riddled with chronic illnesses . . . 30 years ago we went to war against smoking due to Lung Cancer and Emphysema . . which killed quite quickly . . . well . . . we exchanged that with a higher rate of Obesity, Allergies, Asthma, Dementia, Alzheimers, High Cholesterol, Depression and even Erectile Dysfunction:) Why do we treat . . . and reward the Pharma Companies with a lifelong perscription rather than CURE diseases . . . and why are we so sick lately . . . ever wonder about the causes . . . I only knew ONE child with allergies in my whole elementary school of 200 kids when I was a child . . .30 years ago . . .now my own son is a minority at his school because he does not have an "Allergy, ADHD, suffer from the effects of Obesity, diabetes, etc."

Health insurance should be there if we get really sick due to Cancer, an infection, have a child diagnosed with Autism or get in a Car Wreck . . .etc.

Rather than treat . . . we should cure . . .

Best,

Violet