Maine Woods National Park

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Ugenetoo
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Noooooooo.

There's no bias in the BDN dealings with Quimby's national park effort.

Check out the description they used for St Pierre;

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/12/16/opinion/contributors/recommendatio...

BlueJay
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They do all they can to promote the scheme. Even deliberately leaving their readers in the dark like this. RESTORE has been promoting a park for decades.

Roger Ek
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We are coming up on 25 years since the famous Northern Forest Lands Study which our congresscritters enthusiastically embraced. All of these initiatives begin with studies. The outline is predetermined in accordance with he Delphi Process.The study is performed under strict guidelines to move in only one direction; toward their preconceived conclusion.

The study discovers a "crisis". In the case of the Northern Forest Lands Study the crisis was private ownership of land. The leaders of the study imagine that private ownership of land is bad. Once the crisis is well defined they need a council to spread the alarm and demonize those would use this "resource" for personal gain. Never mind that the guy actually owns the land.

The council grows and garners large grants from third and fourth generation trust fund kids who have never set foot on the resource they seek to control. They are just impressed by the Power Point presentations and write checks to the council.

Next thing you know the council establishes a Center. The far left is big on centers, finding centers and being centered. The Center, such as the Northern Forest Center is now able to fund campaign style busses and go on the road trumpeting the prior experience in the effort as "science". It isn't science. It is propaganda. Break down the word to its roots. Pro pagan da; that is "for pagan stuff" or the worship of Gaia or Mother Earth. It's a religion with these people.

The ultimate triumph in their religion is the establishment of a commission with the power of arrest, fines, confiscation and total control. There are far too many such commissions in our lives. They should all simply be eliminated. The commission members could simply revert back to their origins where they could study the heck out of something for their own entertainment. Just don't try to call it science or control other people with it.

1Maine1lostcause
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I would support their study with only a few simple of conditions.

1. There is a comparable study done by forest products industries
2. Both studies are not funded by any tax dollars
3. Only the similar findings by both studies are to be used in the final version for the National Park report.

Ugenetoo
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I would support their study with only a few simple of conditions.

What study are you referring to?

There are so many studies floating around about this issue that it makes my head hurt just to think about ti.

BlueJay
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1Maine1LostCause said, I would support their study with only a few simple of conditions.

You have to understand that their so-called "feasibility study" is no such thing. Senator Snowe said in October that "“A feasibility study is not an assessment of whether a federal park is best for the region’s economy and community, but rather whether this land is suitable to be a part of the National Park System,”
http://bangordailynews.com/2011/10/11/news/penobscot/groups-rally-to-sup...

This misnomer has been used in the past. It's the beginning of the takeover process. Ask the people of Alaska.

1Maine1lostcause
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That's my point. Have the forest related industry conduct their own "feasability study" on whether the land is more suitable for a park or for forestry practices, compare the two studies and submit only the similar findings in the final release.

Ugenetoo
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You forget that the NPS has the BEST propaganda machine that your tax dollars can buy.

A simple proof of this is to google National Park abuses, and see how many pages it takes to get through all the cuddly wuddly, warm and fuzzy, America's best idea BS.

Their study already has it's conclusion as relayed by a retired NPS superintendant to a friend.

The feasability study will show what is obvious;
Of course it's feasable. She is donating the land, and also donating or raising twenty million to run it for a couple of years.

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Twelve Mainers to watch in 2012
BDN staff reports
Posted Jan. 01, 2012

Roxanne Quimby, philanthropist

The lightning rod of northern Maine and the woman who reinvented...her sizable portion of the north woods. Quimby’s challenge...is to reinvent herself and to find more consensus with those who bitterly oppose everything she does.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/01/politics/twelve-mainers-to-watch-i...

Ugenetoo
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Would you expect anything else from Pravda on the Penobscot?

Roger Ek
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Philanthropist? Economic terrorist would be a better description, but consider the source.

BlueJay
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You're right, Roger. The papers continually refer to her as such when, in point of fact, all she has done in northern Maine is take away.

Roger Ek
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They occupied Wall Street. They occupied Portland. They occupied Augusta. What if somebody occupied T4R8WELS?

Bob MacGregor
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I suppose it would double the population, eh?

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Roger Ek
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I have been in that camp. Sherri Huber seemed quite surprised when I told her I had been in the camp. That is the last private land on Katahdin Lake. It's about 1/3 of the way up the east side. Katahdin Lake Camps are still there on the south shore, but their status is severely threatened. They could be forced to go in by float plane only. It's a beautiful old classic camp with several cabins just a few feet back from the lake. I value my time spent there and the photos I took. Percival Baxter told the owners they could keep the barn they owned inside the park and they could keep their horses and mules there forever. Then Buzz Caverly came along. The barn is gone and access through the park is tenuous at best now. The first time I ever went in to that camp was on a snowmobile. There were two logs across Sandy Stream just east of Avalanche field and it was a 15 foot drop from the logs to the rushing water below. Scary trip.

Bit by bit we are losing the heritage we were born with.

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Maine Woods Photo Documentation Posted: Dec 27, 2011 9:27 AM EST http://www.myfoxmaine.com/story/16397930/maine-woods-photo-documentation
BlueJay
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Such do-gooders. This man's ignorance about northern Maine is astonishing. He says,"Yes, there's a lot of privately owned land there, but most of it is STILL AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC." Ye Gods! These are the people working for RESTORE and Quimby promoting this takeover plan. This guy makes Dill sound almost coherent.

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This just recieved;

This announcement is to inform you that the National Park Regional Citizen Committee (NPCC) will become inactive and the Campaign Office will close as of Wenesday February 8, 2012. We wish to thank all of the NPCC members, businesses, citizens, and everyone for their support, dedication, loyalty, and hard work in this campaign the past six months.

At this time NPCC will no longer participate in the pursuit of a National Park Feasability Study
Campaign because a clear path forward could not be established. We have worked tirelessly for the last six months and it has been an enormous drain on our personal lives and we are not willing to continue with this sacrifice. We still are very convinced that a diversified economy in the Katahdin region is needed for us to prosper in the years ahead. We can only hope that the communities can band together to find a way to make this happen.

NPCC teering Committee;
Bruce Cox, George Mcglaughlin, Greg Stanley, Quenten Clark

Ugenetoo
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And here is Roxanne's reply to this "devastating" news;

Hello folks,

I am reaching out this afternoon as you absorb the information that the NPCC is disbanding and the Founders and Steering Committee have resigned.

I am sincerely grateful for the excellent work and unprecedented progress made by the management and committees of the NPCC during the last six months. I believe the facts surrounding a feasability study are better understood than they were just a short time ago, due in large part to the excellent work of the NPCC and it's volunteers. Many people have worked long hours in an attempt to bring our mission to fruition and I believe that substantial success has been achieved.

Of course, there remain pockets of resistance to our vision for a new national park in Maine. Unfortunately, the opposition, though small in numbers, are unyeilding in their unwillingness to consider our proposal to study economic alternatives and introduce a diversity of potential solutions to the financial difficulties in the region. It is not surprising that the founding members of the NPCC have elected to step away from the center of the debate as we regroup and execute on our plan for success.

Take comfort that many national parks have been created within an environment of passionate believers doing what they felt was best at the time. The proposed Maine Woods National Park shares this history with other parks that Americans love and share. I truly believe that one day we will look back on these times and feel proud and fulfilled that we have set aside part of our expansive northern forest for generations of citizens to respect and enjoy as equals.

We will be in touch soon with exciting plans for this spring and summer. Thank you all again for your freindship and suppor.

Roxanne

Ugenetoo
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What's next??

Hopefully, large tracts of forest land in my area are listed for sale..............

But I highly doubt it.

Don't know for sure, but I would suspect that Obama is being asked at this time to designate her lands as a National Historic Area.

Traci G
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I will second that prediction. national historic area or some kind of national monument.

Roger Ek
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Roxanne imagines:
"Of course, there remain pockets of resistance to our vision for a new national park in Maine. Unfortunately, the opposition, though small in numbers, are unyeilding in their unwillingness to consider our proposal to study economic alternatives and introduce a diversity of potential solutions to the financial difficulties in the region."

General Thomas Gage made similar statements before he got his butt whipped on April 19, 1775 at Lexington and Concord.

"Pockets of resistance" indeed!

Ugenetoo
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This arrived in my inbox today.
Anyone with questions for Sec Salazar?

Dear Friend,

On Wednesday at 3:00 pm ET, Secretary Ken Salazar will participate in a Google+ Hangout, where he will answer questions from the public about America's public lands. The chat is a great chance for folks to hear directly from the Secretary and ask him questions about conservation and connecting Americans to the great outdoors.

If you would like to ask the Secretary a question, please send them to newmedia@ios.doi.gov and we will get to as many as possible.

To watch the chat live, click here.

Thanks,

Tim Fullerton
Director of New Media
U.S. Department of the Interior

thejohnchapman
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How about this:

Mr. Secretary, have you obtained the permission of the Legislature of the State of Maine to "federalize" any of the proposed parkland?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section9

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

BlueJay
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Hm-mm. Thank you for posting this. This is an interesting idea. I wonder if it has been used successfully anywhere. Of course, the "for the public good" is usually their ace in the hole.

Roger Ek
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Mike Michaud is on record as favoring a national park study for Northern Maine. Roxanne's buddy, Ken Salazar might just have it designated a national monument.

"The truth is, national monuments are often designated during an outgoing president’s final days in office: Clinton designated seven in his last week in office, and Bush created the 95,000-square-mile Marianas Trench Marine National Monument as he departed in 2009. Quimby, however, cares little for political football. She takes the counterintuitive view that local controversy bodes well for a future park—she is, after all, fighting the same slow battle that once created Acadia and the Grand Canyon. “In 100 years,” she says, “the park will be there, and the objections will be long gone.”

We have already lost every last acre of Maine paper mill owned forests. It's all gone due to Angus King's COMPACTs and "Son of COMPACT".

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/natural-intelligence/The-...

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They could try to slip through a National Park Service New Area promotional "study" (or more) attached to something else in a lame duck session of Congress, or impose "Plan B" for an equally undemocratic Obama decree of a National Monument that would later be converted to a National Park. Remember "Plan B" acknowledged in the MPBN promotional interview in Sept. 2011:

"In the event that she cannot fulfill her dream for a national park, Quimby said she is willing to consider a national monument, a protected area that can be declared by the President and does not require Congressional approval."

"'A monument is a plan B,' said Quimby. 'It might be a little bit easier to do but the gold standard is a national park where that democratic process is exercised and I would like to see that this is a result of the will of the people and not something that our top official can sign into existence.'"

They are power seekers who will do anything they can to grab what they want and call it the "will of the people" later.

Ugenetoo
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True Obama democrats, in other words.