Martin sponsoring Irving mining bill while owing Irving $250k

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Cash
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Martin sponsoring Irving mining bill while owing Irving $250k

From the Maine Center for Public Interest Reporting, via BDN:

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/03/21/news/state/john-martin-sponsoring-...

AUGUSTA, Maine — State Rep. John Martin is sponsoring a bill that would make it easier for the Canadian-based Irving family to mine for valuable minerals on a Maine mountain at the same time he is negotiating a $250,000 bankruptcy debt with an Irving family oil business.

Bruce Libby
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I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED,I tell

I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED,I tell you how could anyone think such insidiousness about the "Earl of Eagle Lake" !

I am sure there is no connection between that Irving and that Irving!!! Ya, right!

Islander
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And they say Poloquin has a

And they say Poloquin has a conflict of interest, where is Sheriff Buford?

Economike
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Does anyone else find it a

Does anyone else find it a bit strange that a savvy, well-connected politician would own a bankrupt business? What's the angle?

Peter
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I dont find it odd at all.

I dont find it odd at all. Martin is the most powerful Democrat ever yet he can't even manage a corner store.
The bigger issue is that we now have DEM #3 being caught up in a big scandal and the media is ignoring it.
1. Violette is in Jail
2. McCormick resigns
3. Martin with an obvious ethical challenge ahead.

johnw
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I find it hard to believe

I find it hard to believe that Irving would let Martin get $250,000 into them..... that's just bad business extending that much credit.Irving , or anyother gas supplier would not just let someone run up that kind of balance.Most stations are on a load to load basis at best with an 7 day or COD EFT draft.......
. As to the gas spill the DEP should have the record of the spill report readily available. That's part of the regulations reporting spills to the DEP.....Big fines for not adhereing to that one,
..And i'm confused on Irving dropping $100,000 dollars of the debt because martin remodled his store..... that would seem that he would have incurredd more debt not less.....something smells pretty bad here....

Ayn Now
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Martin is compromised... And

Martin is compromised... And now the rats will run for over, but there is MUCH MORE to this issue. The bill as written will exclude Irving from many of the rules for permits and inspections. This is just a criminal bill.

Ayn

Larry
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Best of all: the strongest,

Best of all: the strongest, most credible GOP candidate in memory will be on the ballot to contest The Ayatollah of Eagle Lake's House seat....

Bruce Libby
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Let's see who has the berries

Let's see who has the berries to go after this one this time???

Reported he iOS going to be on WGAN radio Friday AM! Ken will be fawning !

charlie neville
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What time? charlie

What time?

charlie

Bruce Libby
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Did n't hear it Charlie but I

Did n't hear it Charlie but I would bet 0730 and they won't take calls!

Who will be running for his seat?

Cash
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Word is that the Democrats

Word is that the Democrats are frothing at the mouth over this -- not about Martin owing the money and not admitting it earlier, but that it came out in the media. The hunt is on for whoever leaked this to Schalit, I'll bet.

johnw
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One should question martins

One should question martins financial acumen..... The retail gas business is fairly straight forward.... You pay X for the gas that is delivered to you..... you charge Y on the street ...the difference is your profit the rest goes back to cover the cost of product.If you do that you don't end up owing your supplier $250,000 for fuel.
Any doubt why we are in so much trouble in Augusta ...46 years of bad martin math.
If martin and Irving had an unreported gas spill(s) I hope that the DEP peers ups their butt with a microscope......and requires that he produce oodles of tank data records, spill logs and produces the documentation of the federally required UST training.....

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The Irving - Irving thing

The Irving - Irving thing looks bad, but the real scandal for me is this:
Martin authored the law he now wants to amend in favor of the project in his district.
How about repealing the rules for all of Maine, not just in Martin's back yard?

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I would love to hear what

I would love to hear what jemhunter thinks about this. I am also quite impressed that this is seeing some light of day, but I am not seeing much on the interweb today. Shalit did some research and put two and two together pretty well. While it is rare that Democrats get exposed, this is truly a surprise.

Bruce Libby
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No No mainemom you do not

No No mainemom you do not understand to him there is no other "backyard" hiss the only one. To him it is his duty to protect and take care of his backyard making sure the evil other Maine pays for it's treatment of his part of Maine.
How is this done by using the leg. own rule book to brow beat everyone into submission,using the oldest tool in the book, having a large supply of dirt to throw at anytime pn ones' enemies.

I loved his comment about Mainecare cuts and his people ,none asked why so many of this people need it,because he has made sure he prospers and they are beholding to him in everyday possible.

This is a big crack in the Earls' armor someone will pay dearly for causing it!

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I sat in a meeting once where

I sat in a meeting once where the question was asked, "What would happen if Irving called it's receivables?" The answer...."New England would come to a screeching halt." Don't you worry, each piece of the Irving Empire reports directly to the mothership....regularly.

Bob MacGregor
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You guys make it sound like

You guys make it sound like the Irving family is the bad guy here, by the way their businesses are set up. Sounds like how we do things in the US all the time. I'd be more concerned about a conflict of interest by John Martin if he was AGAINST a bill that would benefit Irving when he owes them so much. (And from my past dealings with the J.D. Irving side of the business, I believe they truly are separate entities legally (from Irving Oil and all the other family owned businesses) )

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Peter - Martin is the most

Peter - Martin is the most powerful Democrat ever yet he can't even manage a corner store.

Sounds like Pat McGowan and his store in Canaan.

The Republican running for Martin's District 1 seat is Allen Nadeau from Fort Kent. He deserves support from every Republican in the state.

Bruce Libby
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I wish him luck and I would

I wish him luck and I would recommend he burn all his trash and his life history since birth is perfect

Stephen Carmichael
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What scale mining are we

What scale mining are we talking about? Blow up the mountain and bulldoze the rock or water cannons?

taxfoe
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It's nice to see that John

It's nice to see that John Martin is still peeing in the political pool after all these years.

I own my own business and my family gave me the seed money. My sister owns her own business and our family gave her the seed money. Those who owe my sister money don't owe me or my family anything, do they?

It sounds like a great opportunity. I hope Martin's ego hasn't screwed things up for Irving or his constituents. On the other hand, the mountain is in his district. Is there a process in place through which, to avoid the appearence of a conflict of interest, he could have handed this off to someone else?

Great article and snoopsmanship, so far.

Bruce Libby
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The only thing JM has screwed

The only thing JM has screwed up is a possible dent in his power shield ,that is all he cares about.
But rest assured there isn't many in Augusta that will go after him.

We missed our chance years ago ,there was a choice term limits or jail , the people took term limits, JM had a good laugh ,and still is.

Term Limits, how to destroy institutional memory ,transfer power to the executive ,and still leave the one person w/ institutional memory.
Hows that worked of rya?

Rick Blaine
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This is

This is PERFECT:

http://wgan.com/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5758020

In his interview on WGAN, this crooked sleaze-bag makes the case that
his back-room-pay-off-to-Irving is environmentally sound because HE owns
land nearby... and HIS property won't be threatened with environmental damage!

Now THERE'S a "public servant" who has his priorities straight....

Use law to make money and protect MY property!

Calvin
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Just for *coffee table

Just for *coffee table conversation*, have you often wondered why Martin has never run for governor?

Mark T. Cenci
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Stephen, as I recall the open

Stephen, as I recall the open pit mine would be the size of the blue rock quarry in Westbrook, immediately adjacent to the Maine T'Pike, that thousands of people drive past and never know exists.

It is a volcanogenic "massive sulfide" type of deposit, formed on an ancient sea floor by vents releasing metals which settled in layers. Lots of sulfide minerals disseminated in the rock. It's mostly copper with zinc, gold and silver. These are the common open pit copper mines that are out west. Except in Maine a lot of it has eroded away and the original layering is all folded and sheared into very complex shapes, unlike the deposits in the west and South America, which are still like big layer cakes. So it is more difficult and expensive to mine it here. I guess commodity prices are high enough to now make it profitable.

The rock will be crushed and the minerals separated and sent to Canada for smelting. There will be releases of sulfides, arsenic and metals into the air and water, but they will do a good job of minimizing it.

Bruce Libby
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Calvin No ,it is for two

Calvin
No ,it is for two reasons. First the gov. has had less power and the most important reason is he can be in Augusta and the majority in the other Maine do not pay attention only talk about him
when they hear his name usually against something (usually anything that helps w/ next words).
If running for gov. he has a decreased ability in controlling the dispensing of largess to buy silence and devotion ! People from there who know might just talk about him!!!

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That's worth a partially

That's worth a partially smoked cigar.

BlueJay
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Thank you, Mark Cenci. It's

Thank you, Mark Cenci. It's good to have a man onboard who knows rocks.

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Irving officials discuss

Irving officials discuss potential mining operation, jobs in The County

By Jen Lynds, BDN Staff

PRESQUE ISLE, Maine — Representatives from J.D. Irving Ltd. were in Aroostook County Thursday and Friday speaking to town managers, economic development officials and others about the potential for mining at Bald Mountain.

It's about jobs

What do you think the BDN would be writing if Paul LePage had hatched this scheme?

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Perhaps Maine is awakening to

Perhaps Maine is awakening to the true face of The Greenfather. Rural Maine population diminishing? That's just perfect. The less people the better. No jobs? That too is perfect. No jobs means fewer people living and prospering in rural Maine.

Lawmakers study new gold mine in Aroostook
By Susan M. Cover scover@mainetoday.com
State House Bureau March 30, 2012


Beth Ahearn

AUGUSTA — "We can have safe drinking water and jobs," said Hollie Umphrey, Portage Lake's town manager. "It's not too much to ask. We have nothing else left. We are in an economic disaster."

Umphrey and others from northern Maine testified in support of L.D. 1853....

"Polluted water could have devastating effects on our fish, wildlife and human health," said Beth Ahearn, who spoke on behalf of Maine Conservation Voters.

http://www.kjonline.com/news/Lawmakers-study-new-gold-and-silver-mine-in...

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