Matthew Shephard was a Hoax - NAMBLA Isn't
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ABCNEWS 20/20 ran a special revealing that the death of Matthew Shephard - featured in the movie "The Laramie Project" was related to drugs and money - not the fact that Matthew Shephard was gay. Here is a link to that ABC special.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=277685&page=1
What is not well-known however, is that the death of 10 year old Jeffrey Curley WAS related to homosexuality.
His homosexual killer was a member of NAMBLA, and as a result NAMBLA, was sued for $200 million dollars in 2000, in a suit which alleges that NAMBLA encourages its members to rape young boys.
The pepetrators, Charlie Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari, abducted Jeffrey at a gas station in Cambridge, Massachusetts with a promise of a new bike, then sodomized him in the back of their car. The 300 pound Jaynes sat on Jeffrey's back while Sicari suffocated him with a gasoline-soaked rag. They then encased Jefrey's body in cement, drove to Maine, and dumped his body in the Great Works River.
It is not known how many member of NAMBLA live in Maine, or if they have any chapters here.
There are three "leather" bars in Maine dedicated to the dangerous gay/sadomasochistic lifestyle, two in Augusta and one in Portland.
Matthew Shepherd = HOAX
Jeffrey Curley = REALITY
Pilgrim -
If you're going to say that a place of business is a sadomasochist hangout -- back up your statement with facts, proof. Otherwise, don't post such allegations here.
Thank you.
skf
PJ's!!!!
That's right down the street from me!
Eeeeewwwwwww
Yes, time for us all to wake up...fast.
Well, they have a right to beat eachother up, crap in eachothers mouths, etc etc.
It's a free country. I still think it's sick, though.
Pilgrim,
Don't confuse pedophiles with gay people. While you may feel that everything that is not strictly heterosexual is wrong there is a big difference between gay men and women and people of any gender that prey on children. Just as all straight men are not rapists and wife beaters, not all gay men are child abusers. Don't use one to argue against the other.
This is akin to the argument I hear that if we just ban the gay priests we will get the abuse out of the Catholic church. Untrue. The two are totally different arguements and issues. The church should debate the stance on gays in the ministry, just as we should debate the ban on married priests.
The gay/sadomasochistic group "Kindred of Maine" sent a six-man color guard to the Portland 2000 Gay Pride March, carrying the black and blue (sick) flag of the gay/leather/sadomasochistic movement.
And you thought it was all about "discrimination," huh?
Like they say, "Protect the Family/Preserve Maine."
OK, NASCARFAN, I won't "confuse NAMBLA with gays and pedophiles."
Thanks a lot!
Nas...great post.
So Charlotte,
Sadomasochism and the leather culture isn't an established part of the gay lifestyle?
So why are there three leather bars in the state?
And pedarasty is not an established part of the gay lifestyle?
So why is there a NAMBLA?
OK, NASCARFAN, I won't "confuse NAMBLA with gays and pedophiles."
Thanks a lot!
Got any other notes in your one man band???? We all grow tired of the same thing post after post.....
Your equation of all gays are dangerous and are pedophiles is false and has nothing to do with our debates over Question 1 or other related issues.
NAMBLA is well know for what it is. Pedophiles are criminals - gay and straight criminals. Your over generalization only shows your lack of depth of an issue and the bounds of your own uneducation. I don't care if you personally dislike all gays, bi's or what have you. Get your facts straight (no pun intended) and argue something other than your over repeated theme of "damning all sinners to hell" - you sound like a perfect candidate for membership in the Creators Party.......
Nas...great post.
Carefull there Charlotte - they might think we actually like and at the end of the day respect each other!!! :) (Oh wait - we do!!! 8) ) You are a pleasure to debate on this and any issue!
So, Ms. Nascarfan and Mr. Charlotte
I guess you agree that the leather bars and NAMBLA have a right to exist....
yes or no?
I guess you agree that the leather bars and NAMBLA have a right to exist....
yes or no?
Yes!
There is absolutely no bar in Porltand called Harbormasters.
There is a small leather organzation with that name.
I don't get your connection of NAMBLA and leather bars. They are distinctly differnent subsets of the fetishes.
Steven Scharf
SCSMedia@aol.com
Leather bars yes, NAMBLA no!
Leather bars don't victimize children.
...that was into a very odd scene. He ran for Senate until his choice of recreational activities became known.
Actually I am a he and Charlotte is a she - but we will cut you some slack....
At the risk of saying this for the 3rd time in this "debate" with you.... NAMBLA and other pedophiles are criminals and should be treated as such. Noone has argued otherwise anywhere on AMG that I have ever seen.
S&M, B&D, kinky sex, etc among consenting adults (be it gay or straight) in the privacy of their homes is nothing I even care to monitor or police.
Perhaps Pilgrim your might want to drop the subject or at least seperate the two as you are very close to running the risk of being asked.... why you so hung up on peoples sexual behaviors???
Because they kill people...and children in particular...amigo.....
Well, I'm still not so certain Pilgrim isn't a plant (HOAX) from the Maine Won't Discriminate folks...
Looks like the HOAX is working. Pilgrim has all of you arguing with "him" as opposed to debating the real issue of what a HOAX Voting No on Question 1 presents!
Great debate tactic. Get everyone to fight amongst themselves while the opposition stands by and "laughs their a$$es off", to quote charlotte! :wink:
I love that Pilgrim has put Nas and me on the same debating side...lol. Nas, thanks for your well thought out words.
I am for freedom of speech...that even means speech I abhor.
Once you turn words into actions...hurt a child or murder...you are put away forever.
So why not close down the bars and orgsnizations which are a breeding ground for this behavior?
I don't want them in Maine, do you?
Unfortunately they are not put away forever Charlotte. Just take a look at the sex offender database to see that they are released after a very short sentence and let go to abuse more children. That said, I agree with both you and NAS, gay does not even come close to equaling pedophilia, no matter what anyone wants to think.
What is important is that if in the future, pedophilia can be defined as a sexual orientation, (BTW, there are many professionals out there that already do define it this way), then it would be a covered clas under this law. The constitution guarantee equal protection.
Children cannot consent no matter what idiots may say they can. Children should not be used by adults sexually....I will fight that just as hard as I will offer my assistance to this discrimination law.
NASCARFAN,
Who are we to believe, you or the American Psychiatric Association?
Here is a list from an impartial source of all the "sexual orientations" covered under the current law.
Think about it folks.
Partial List of “Sexual Orientations†from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, published by American Psychiatric Association
WARNING: some of the descriptions may be offensive to readers’ sensibilities.
[Page numbers are from " Paraphilias ," Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision (Washington: American Psychiatric Association, 2000), pp. 566-582.]
1. Heterosexuality: the universal norm: sexual interaction with the opposite sex.
2. Homosexuality or "Gay": sexual interaction with persons of the same sex.
3. Bisexuality: sexual interaction with both males and females.
4. Transgenderism: an umbrella term referring to and/or covering transvestitism, drag queen/kings, and transsexualism.
5. Pedophilia: "sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger). The individual with Pedophilia must be age 16 years or older and at least 5 years older than the child. For individuals in late adolescence with Pedophilia, no precise age difference is specified, and clinical judgment must be used; both the sexual maturity of the child and the age difference must be taken into account." (p.571)
6. Transsexuality: the condition in which a person’s "gender" identity is different from his or her anatomical sex.
7. Transvestitism: the condition in which a person is sexually stimulated or gratified by wearing the clothes of the other sex.
8. Transvestic fetishism: for males, "intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving cross-dressing." (p. 575)
9. Autogynephilia: the sexual arousal of a man by his own perception of himself as a woman or dressed as a woman. (p. 574)
10. Voyeurism: "obtaining sexual arousal through the act of observing unsuspecting individuals, usually strangers, who are naked, in the process of disrobing, or engaging in sexual activity." (p. 575)
11. Exhibitionism: "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the exposure of one’s genitals to an unsuspecting stranger." (p. 569)
12. Fetishism or Sexual Fetishism: "intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the use of nonliving objects (e.g. female undergarments)." (p. 570)
13. Zoophilia: becoming excited by and/or engaging in sexual activity with animals. (p. 576)
14. Sexual Sadism: "recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving acts (real, not simulated) in which the psychological or physical suffering (including humiliation) of the victim is sexually exciting to the person." (p. 574)
15. Sexual Masochism: "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the act (real, not simulated) of being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer." (p. 573)
16. Necrophilia: sexual arousal and/or activity with a corpse. (p. 576)
17. Klismaphilia: erotic pleasure derived from enemas. (p. 576)
18. Telephone Scatalogia: the compulsion to utter obscene topics over the phone. (p. 576)
19. Urophilia: sexual arousal associated with urine. (p. 576)
20. Coprophilia: sexual arousal associated with feces. (p. 576)
21. Partialism: "sexual arousal obtained through exclusive focus on part of the body."(p. 576)
22. Gender Identity Disorder: "a strong and persistent cross-gender identification, which is the desire to be, or the insistence that one is, of the other sex," along with "persistent discomfort about one’s assigned sex or a sense of the inappropriateness in the gender role of that sex." (p. 576)
23. Frotteurism: "touching and rubbing against a nonconsenting person." (p. 570)
Categories 14 and 15 are covered by the gay/leather bars in Augusta and Portland.
Category 5 is covered by NAMBLA.
ALL and fourteen more not listed here are covered by the current GAY RIGHTS LAW.
9-C.__Sexual orientation.__"Sexual orientation" means a
person's actual or perceived heterosexuality, bisexuality,
homosexuality or gender identity or expression
This is what the law covers...let's be truthful Pilgrim....
Transgenderism is included, then...a male employee can dress as a woman, and he can't be fired?
The law reads "gender identity or expression." Sexual orientation could be misconstrued to include these 23 catgories.
nope.
Pilgrim, where the heck did you get the idea that there are two "leather bars" in Augusta, let alone bars that promote sadism, masochism, etc.? Have you ever been to PJ's? What's the name of the other "leather bar" in Augusta? I'd really like to know where you got your information since it's unlikely that you got it first hand. I thought PJ's was kind of a fun place. Saw an interesting drag contest there, too, but I don't recall seeing any leather. BTW, they don't require any proof that you're gay in order to go in.
Well how about the following quote?
"P.J.'sLounge : Augusta Maine GLBiT club which occasionally hosts a pansexual BDSM night"
Well how about the following quote?
"P.J.'sLounge : Augusta Maine GLBiT club which occasionally hosts a pansexual BDSM night"
Kindred of Maine holds a monthly meeting there where they dress in leather, latex, etc.
After the meeting, they hold a "total evening" of Kindred sponsored events.
Perhaps that doesn't add up to a leather bar.... why don't you tell me?
If not, I retract the statement that they are a leather bar.
I will rely on your expert opinion.
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That's a sacred cow there.
Thanks so much for posting this story! Holy moly!