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This Friday the DOE will have a list of schools that "will" cooperate with each other, or else. SAD 58 and SAD 9 school boards are meting next Thursday (May 17) to see what else we can "share". How about getting rid of our maintenance director, he doesnt maintain anything, cept his gut

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So what happens when 'THE LIST' comes out? Rumor has it we will have 30 days to rebutt and come up with another plan. But what does that mean? Who is "we"? We being a town or does it have to be a school district? What if there are 3 different feasible plans for one community? Who will make that final plan? Is there really any way to change something after "the list' comes out?

It gives me an overwhelmed feeling. Talk about loss of local control.

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[quote]This Friday the DOE will have a list of schools that "will" cooperate with each other, or else. [/quote]

Do you have a source we can contact to confirm this?

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I don't think there is any truth to this.

The current varient of the consolidation bill (budget) hasn't passed yet.
IF and WHEN it passes, schools will have months
to find "partners" before DOE forces partnerships.

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Bumper. Today's the day, so we'll see what happens.

Disclaimer: I'm doing some articles for a weeky publication and one local superintendent wonders exactly who his district will be "married" to in 2008. It will either be an amicable courtship or shotgun wedding.

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The way the DOE does pree releases is one great rumor. I was told by two different supers that a list will be here today, scan the doe website.

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[quote="Mike Lange"]Bumper. Today's the day, so we'll see what happens.

Disclaimer: I'm doing some articles for a weeky publication and one local superintendent wonders exactly who his district will be "married" to in 2008. It will either be an amicable courtship or shotgun wedding.[/quote]

After the dust settles
it'll probably be 2009 (not 2008).

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I think this "rumor" stems from the following DOE newsletter
published last week:

"We intend to have a suggested configuration of regional school units ready for distribution during the week ending May 11, 2007, and we will follow up by providing additional data on each potential regional unit to assist communities in making decisions.

According to the current draft legislation from the Appropriations Committee's subcommittee on education, communities would notify the Department of Education by July 31, 2007 of their intent to reorganize according to the Department's suggested model, or of an alternative plan of their own."

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In other words, DOE is preparing for implementation of the Approp. Committee version
of consolidation (although this version probably won't pass as currently written).

There is yet another version which gives local communities the final word
on their consolidation partners, if any, through a local vote.
The Governor says he will VETO this version if it passes.
(Which means he would have to veto the state budget.)

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[quote]....DOE is preparing for implementation of the Approp. Committee version
of consolidation (although this version probably won't pass as currently written). [/quote]

Appropriations version is definitely not going to pass.

[url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/index.html]Support for local control[/url] is growing.

Very interesting to see the [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/signers.htm]geographical distribution.[/url]

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[url=http://www.maine.gov/education/edletrs/2007/ilet/07ilet105.htm]DoE INFORMATIONAL LETTER NO: 105[/url]

See? Told you it's not going to happen.

Keep signing [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/index.html]that petition.[/url]

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I am surpirsed she sent out a letter about it. Not like she kept folks up to date on the delay in EPS numbers.

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Steven - perhaps she's had enough of being beaten up by almost every school board and administrator in Maine.

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[quote="Steven Scharf"]I am surpirsed she sent out a letter about it. Not like she kept folks up to date on the delay in EPS numbers.

Steven Scharf
SCSMedia@aol.com[/quote]

To be fair,
Ms. Gendron communicates fairly frequently and effectively with superintendents.
Sometimes the supers don't forward the messages.
She is dealing with a three-ring political circus.
Almost everything she does in the next few months
is dependent upon upcoming decisions from our esteemed legislators.
The Governor is her boss.
She follows his orders or she quits.

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Very interesting that there are almost no signatures on the petition from places like Lewiston, Auburn, Portland etc that won't be affected.

From the DOE letter;
[/quote]Until then we will not be able to respond to requests for financial projections for models being developed at the local level. [quote]

Does that mean that legislators will get to see what the effects of their votes will be on the towns before they cast them? If the answer is no, then how can they in good faith then claim they had no idea what would happen later?[/quote]

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[quote]Very interesting that there are almost no signatures on the petition from places like Lewiston, Auburn, Portland etc that won't be affected. [/quote]

Looks like pretty good percentages from [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/signers.htm]Beals, Easton, and Mars Hill[/url] though. ...Also York and OOB.

Interesting.

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It is probably a matter of people locally encoraging people to sign up. I recongized one name from Portland. The others are not poltically active people.

Steven Scharf
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Don't know about depth, but the breadth of support for local control is pretty convincing.

My hypothesis is that local control of schools is more important to those in rural areas because they still feel a less cynical connection to their schools. In the larger districts, there's a sense that schools are already controlled by unions and managers and the Department of Education so what's the difference if they're further regionalized.

I'd be interested in other views on this though.

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My view is that the large urban areas don't have as many small schools that will close as a result of consolidation. Even if they close one, the distance that a kid will be bussed to the nearest one isn't very far as compaired to the rural areas.

In the rural areas once the small towns/schools become part of an even bigger distirct than they are now (speaking for us) they will have less influance than they currently have. The Maine DOE says that no schools will be closed as a result of the consolidation. That's true in part. The legislation doesn't require any schools to close, but it sets up the regional boards to do just that down the road.

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So, the DOE has the map, but not releasing it. The current estimate is that they will come forward with it on Wed the 16th. Any wagers?

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The DoE is not going to release any maps this week.

The legislative leadership is not yet near settled on the schools issue.

So keep signing [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/]that petition[/url]

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So, is "The Map" coming out or not? Any movement at all between the appropriations committee and the Farrington plan??? Our community and district is all of a sudden getting wind of many rumors from surrounding districts that don't pan out very favorably. The result is the opening of old feuding lines about something that is still completely unknown. I have never seen a bunch get so riled up talking about the what ifs and the worse case scenarios. I wish The Map would just come out and let the games begin. What a mess.

The funny thing is, for our town, every conceivable option that has been discussed I've heard so far is going to cost us MORE tax money no matter what. How does that translate to savings? Somebody may be saving something, but it's not in my bill.

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Yes,
The rural communities still feel that schools are a place to go to sporting events and can voice their concerns directlt to the principal and the school board values parents thoughts. I can tell you that it isnt that way in some bigger schools.
SAD 9 and SAD 58 school boards are meeting tonite to discuss sharing more positions with each other, we already share two administrative positions , Tech Director and a payroll clerk. These two school districts take up gepgraphy wise 90% of Franklin county. It will be interesting to see what Herr Kammander Gendron has for a list.

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I've been reading up on all the different reports and studies out surrounding this. One thing that struck me is the the plans being tossed around right now are NO WHERE NEAR what the initial suggestions were like... either from the Brookings Inst. or from the Maine Heritage group. Even one of the studies that is on the state's web page of background info regarding consolidation is contrary to what the current plans are. it had to do with a study on different district sizes and the costs associated with it, and the numbers don't mesh with the plan. What a farce.

So what are they doing today? Anyone with some info?

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Today at 1:00 the Education Comm has a work session on LD 910,
an act to specify how SADs can be formed (!!!!).

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The legislature is under pressure to do something. Let's hope that they don't bow to that pressure and "do something even if it's wrong". Education is an area where there is no room for "sorry". When you ruin a kids education, or the system that provides the next kids education, you have been penny smart and pound foolish. I fear that is the path we're headed down today; the legislature will ENACT something that will not be subject to any sort of rational review later, and in the long run won't save any money.

At the very least we deserve to have a complete plan presented, complete with realistic cost savings projections, and a chance to vote on something of this magnatude.

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It turns out that the Education Committee is today considering a Private & Special Law
enabling Bath and 5 nearby towns to form a new SAD under terms that do not
conform to the current law enabling SADs. The bill includes a phrase authorizing
the new SAD to apply to the state immediately for... guess what... a nice new school building.

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JSN: You didn't say which Democrat was sponsoring the bill. It's obviously someone who's trying to save their seat by exempting their towns from the effects of their parties vote to shaft the rest of us.

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Wow, yah right, that's fair. Not in my back yard....

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I just got a look at the "Farrington/Rural Caucus Plan" via e-mail (so I don't have a link). It looks pretty good to me at first glance.
Anyone know just how much of a chance it may have of being adapted?

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[quote="angler.k"]I just got a look at the "Farrington/Rural Caucus Plan" via e-mail (so I don't have a link). It looks pretty good to me at first glance.
Anyone know just how much of a chance it may have of being adapted?[/quote]

[b][URL=http://www.timesrecord.com/website/main.nsf/news.nsf/0/ABA684D335520BB30... consolidation plan placed on hold ... for now[/i][/URL][/b]

At this point it looks like the Farrington plan has as good a chance as any.

Here is some information on the Farrington plan from [url=http://mdischools.net/]mdischools.net[/url], which is a good source of information and current news on school consolidation.
[list]
[URL=http://mdischools.net/20070503_blended_plan.pdf]A "Blended" Plan for School District Reorganization[/URL], Representative Farrington, 5/02
[list][URL=http://mdischools.net/20070501_SchoolRegionalizationStatutoryDraft.rtf]D... of statutory language[/URL], 5/01, [*.rtf]
[URL=http://mdischools.net/20070515_MSMA_Summary.htm]Comparison of 4/11 Appropriations Subcommittee Plan and Farrington "Blended Plan[/URL], Maine School Management Association, (5/15)
[URL=http://www.memun.org/public/MMA/svc/SFR/Publications/LB/2007/5-4-07.pdf]... Sensible School Regionalization Plan Emerges[/URL], MMA Legislative Bulletin, 5/04[/list:u][/list:u]

Another source of news is the [url=http://lists.svaha.com/mailman/listinfo/local-maine-schools]Local Maine Schools email discussion list[/url]

And, again, there's the [url=http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Consolidation/]Save Our Maine Schools petition[/url] and its [url=http://mdischools.net/signers.htm]list of signers[/url].

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